Big Tobacco Wins With Cigarette Replacement

Big Tobacco Wins With Cigarette Replacement

Liberalman

#1Apr 5th, 2010

Big Tobacco Wins With Cigarette Replacement

I was watching 60 Minutes --

They were talking about a smokeless cigarette called Snus and the tobacco companies are marketing this product to smokers that have no smoking bylaws in the cities and towns where they live.

You place this Snus between your lip and your teeth and the nicotine is absorbed through the skin into the blood vessels and this no chewing and spitting is requires and this is supposed to last up to thirty minutes.

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Quote:

"Snus is:a form of cured and cooked tobacco mixed with salt, flavourings and preservatives which has lower levels of cancer-causing nitrosamines than other oral tobaccos"

"Packaged in loose form or in tea-bag style portions, each of which delivers about the same level of nicotine to a user as a single cigarette”

They interviewed a scientist in Norway where this product was developed and he said that cancer rates related to cigarette products have gone down.

With this breakthrough cigarettes will be a thing of the past and the tobacco companies win.

Tobacco farmers can grow their crops again and everyone lives happily ever after but knowing the fanatical anti-smokers they will outlaw putting anything in your mouth, which means we will all die of starvation.

Cliffy

Re: Big Tobacco Wins With Cigarette Replacement

Apr 5th, 2010

What century was this documentary filmed. Snus has been around for a hundred years or more. It causes gum disease and you do have to spit it out. Just watch a baseball game.

Liberalman

Re: Big Tobacco Wins With Cigarette Replacement

Apr 5th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy

What century was this documentary filmed. Snus has been around for a hundred years or more. It causes gum disease and you do have to spit it out. Just watch a baseball game.

You are talking about snuff
This is snus

AnnaG

Re: Big Tobacco Wins With Cigarette Replacement

Apr 5th, 2010

Actually snuff is the tobacco product you snort like cocaine. Chewing or "smokeless" tobacco is the other one.

VanIsle

Re: Big Tobacco Wins With Cigarette Replacement

Apr 5th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaG

Actually snuff is the tobacco product you snort like cocaine. Chewing or "smokeless" tobacco is the other one.

You are right. To a point Cliff is too but the difference between snuff and snus is as you say. Baseball players use Chewing tobacco or Tobacco Plug.
Here is the def. of Snus:
a preparation of tobacco, either powdered and taken into the nostrils by inhalation or ground and placed between the cheek and gum.

eh1eh

Re: Big Tobacco Wins With Cigarette Replacement

Apr 5th, 2010

Maybe they could start a needle exchange for nicotine addicts. Save having all that smelly smoke around.

AnnaG

Re: Big Tobacco Wins With Cigarette Replacement

Apr 5th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by eh1eh

Maybe they could start a needle exchange for nicotine addicts. Save having all that smelly smoke around.

lol. The trouble with that idea is that the amount of nicotene needed to kill a human is infinitesmal (60 mg).

eh1eh

Re: Big Tobacco Wins With Cigarette Replacement

Apr 5th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaG

lol.

Ya, that's how stupid this idea is. Who would start hauling on one of those fake cigarette thingies? Oh dear, wait a second. There are lots of people that put a concentrated form of tobacco, get ready for this, right in there f^cking mouths. Oh barf. I used to smoke and really that is bad enough but chewing tobacco is down right horrible. So I guess people will do anything the adverts tell them to do.

VanIsle

Re: Big Tobacco Wins With Cigarette Replacement

Apr 5th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by eh1eh

Maybe they could start a needle exchange for nicotine addicts. Save having all that smelly smoke around.

It is sooo gross. I had several customers yesterday that I could easily tell were smokers. Ugh! They have no idea (or they don't care) how bad they smell. Even after our Easter dinner last night, my daughter-in-law's brother kept popping out for a smoke and everytime he came back in the house he just stunk. It's not a forever odour and it's not unbearable. It's just unpleasant.

VanIsle

#10

Re: Big Tobacco Wins With Cigarette Replacement

Apr 5th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by eh1eh

Ya, that's how stupid this idea is. Who would start hauling on one of those fake cigarette thingies? Oh dear, wait a second. There are lots of people that put a concentrated form of tobacco, get ready for this, right in there f^cking mouths. Oh barf. I used to smoke and really that is bad enough but chewing tobacco is down right horrible. So I guess people will do anything the adverts tell them to do.

I once dated a cop (not the one I married) that chewed (as he called it: snus) and he would take a bit of that crap and tuck it inside his cheek. Finished me. His teeth always looked like they needed brushing and I never wanted him too close because all I could think of was that crap in his mouth and I was a smoker at the time!

Bar Sinister

#11

Re: Big Tobacco Wins With Cigarette Replacement

Apr 6th, 2010

A little health info on snus. It may be safer than smoking but it is not without some side effects.

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Of course, people could always refrain from putting any useless and potentially dangerous products into their systems. But that might require a level of intelligence beyond many people.

theconqueror

#12

Re: Big Tobacco Wins With Cigarette Replacement

Apr 6th, 2010

If you look up electronic cigarettes you will find a whole new market into smokeless tobacco.

VanIsle

#13

Re: Big Tobacco Wins With Cigarette Replacement

Apr 6th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by theconqueror

If you look up electronic cigarettes you will find a whole new market into smokeless tobacco.

Don't have time to look. Does that mean you don't see the smoke or you don't puff on it like a cigarette?

theconqueror

#14

Re: Big Tobacco Wins With Cigarette Replacement

Apr 6th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by VanIsle

Don't have time to look. Does that mean you don't see the smoke or you don't puff on it like a cigarette?

It is vapor nicotine you are inhaling instead of smoke. I've seen them at my local liquor store for $50.

Here, read this...
Electronic Cigarettes have many great advantages.

The electronic cigarette or e-cigarette works in a different fashion that traditional tobacco smoking. Traditional cigarettes require a flame or heat source to burn the tobacco. This ignition and combustion of the tobacco will result in the smoke that users will inhale. The inhalation of smoke from combustion from any source is dangerous, when you add in the thousands of chemicals and proven carcinogens that are naturally found in tobacco, it is deadly. Instead of relying on combustion and igniting a substance into smoke, the electric cigarette works by vaporizing a liquid nicotine based solution into a vapor. Because the E Cig will produce vapor instead of actual smoke, the electronic cigarette does not fall into those items that are included in "No Smoking Bans". So it may look like you are smoking but in reality you are "vaping". So with the electronic cigarette you can now smoke inside the bar, restaurant, office, or even on a plane.

eh1eh

#15

Re: Big Tobacco Wins With Cigarette Replacement

Apr 6th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister

A little health info on snus. It may be safer than smoking but it is not without some side effects.

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Of course, people could always refrain from putting any useless and potentially dangerous products into their systems. But that might require a level of intelligence beyond many people.

Hey, sounds like me and beer some days. LOL.

earth_as_one

#16

Re: Big Tobacco Wins With Cigarette Replacement

Apr 6th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by theconqueror

It is vapor nicotine you are inhaling instead of smoke. I've seen them at my local liquor store for $50.

Here, read this...
Electronic Cigarettes have many great advantages.

The electronic cigarette or e-cigarette works in a different fashion that traditional tobacco smoking. Traditional cigarettes require a flame or heat source to burn the tobacco. This ignition and combustion of the tobacco will result in the smoke that users will inhale. The inhalation of smoke from combustion from any source is dangerous, when you add in the thousands of chemicals and proven carcinogens that are naturally found in tobacco, it is deadly. Instead of relying on combustion and igniting a substance into smoke, the electric cigarette works by vaporizing a liquid nicotine based solution into a vapor. Because the E Cig will produce vapor instead of actual smoke, the electronic cigarette does not fall into those items that are included in "No Smoking Bans". So it may look like you are smoking but in reality you are "vaping". So with the electronic cigarette you can now smoke inside the bar, restaurant, office, or even on a plane.

Sounds like the least bad way to get your nicotine fix.

IMO, consuming nicotine should be a personal choice. As long as the vapors don't affect anyone else then its your concern, not mine.

VanIsle

#17

Re: Big Tobacco Wins With Cigarette Replacement

Apr 6th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_one

Sounds like the least bad way to get your nicotine fix.

IMO, consuming nicotine should be a personal choice. As long as the vapors don't affect anyone else then its your concern, not mine.

Now that's the part I was wondering about - vapors. So people smoke their electronic cigarette, and they breathe out. What are they breathing out?? It is just the same junk as there is from a cigarette out there now but we cannot see or smell it? If that's how it works, then it's even more dangerous because we'll have no idea we're breathing it.
$50.00 for what - a carton, a pack, or do you just keep on smoking that same electronic smoke until it runs out of nicotine?
nic·o·tine

(nikÆÃ tnÅ, -tin, nikÅÃ tnÆ), n. Chem.
a colorless, oily, water-soluble, highly toxic, liquid alkaloid, C10H14N2, found in tobacco and valued as an insecticide.

MHz

#18

Re: Big Tobacco Wins With Cigarette Replacement

Apr 6th, 2010

How long before it's made into a suppository?

eh1eh

#19

Re: Big Tobacco Wins With Cigarette Replacement

Apr 6th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by MHz

How long before it's made into a suppository?

One has been introduced to the market. Patented by Ben Dover and Assoc.

VanIsle

#20

Re: Big Tobacco Wins With Cigarette Replacement

Apr 6th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by MHz

How long before it's made into a suppository?

Best idea yet!

It's where all cigarettes and anything like them should be!

MHz

#21

Re: Big Tobacco Wins With Cigarette Replacement

Apr 6th, 2010

I was surprised there was a real product. lol Save your 'smoke' for after your morning constitution. Has the product sold well I wonder?

Quote: Originally Posted by VanIsle

Best idea yet! It's where all cigarettes and anything like them should be!

lol I am assuming you mean the smokeless variety. Couldn't it be worn as a patch something like the anti-smoking patches of today.

Why do I get the feeling this process will even more chemicals in it? How about a blended variety, some Coco leaf and Tobbacco in a variety of strengths from morning eye-poppers to a late night snooze snort. lol Little MaryJane added for the weekends.

Any body considering this should look in the bottom of a spittoon

Bar Sinister

#22

Re: Big Tobacco Wins With Cigarette Replacement

Apr 6th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by MHz

How long before it's made into a suppository?

Already been done. Tobacco enemas were one of the early uses of tobacco by Europeans. Prior to this a similar technique was practiced by the indigenous population of North America.

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earth_as_one

#23

Re: Big Tobacco Wins With Cigarette Replacement

Apr 7th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister

Already been done. Tobacco enemas were one of the early uses of tobacco by Europeans. Prior to this a similar technique was practiced by the indigenous population of North America.

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I always thought blowing smoke up yur arse was just a saying.

Punchline for a joke:

Hey Doc, those suppositories you gave me are useless. For all the good they did me, I may as well have shoved 'em up my arse.

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