#1Mar 23rd, 2010
Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening
#3
Re: Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening
Mar 23rd, 2010
I am saddened and sickened, once again.
#4
Re: Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening
Mar 23rd, 2010
Note-if this sickens you Please be sure to post it far and wide and send it to as many media outlets as you can think of-these goons are out of control.
#5
Vivtoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening
Mar 23rd, 2010
I hate to say this, but I'm neither surprised, nor shocked by this behavior at
this point. The only surprising thing is that this video survived long enough
to find its way out into the public eye.
this point. The only surprising thing is that this video survived long enough
to find its way out into the public eye.
#6
Re: Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening
Mar 23rd, 2010
This is 57 seconds of what looks like a long night. Now if the video showed all the events that lead up to this 57 seconds it's quite possible we may understand why that police officer was as pissed off at those guys as he was. The second guy that was taken down had his left hand completely covered in what looks like blood. That didn't just happen, he did something previous to the video. If you look at the front door of the establishment you'll notice another individual who looks to be knocked out cold, result of these two guys laying a beating on him? One guy approaches the officer and though we can't hear what he says he does point out the second individual before the officer goes to arrest him. When told to lie down, he doesn't, and has to be forced to. The kicks to the arm do not make for good TV and were likely excessive but should we expect a police officer to have unlimited patience no matter what the situation? If you beat the crap out of someone should you expect to be treated politely and with kit gloves?
#7
Vivtoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening
Mar 23rd, 2010
Was the last guy in the video combative? Resisting arrest? Assaulting the Officers
so that they where forced to utilize force in self-defense? Was he in a combative
stance? Where these officers in fear of their safety? Did he have a stapler or
some other piece of office equipment to wield as a weapon?
Beyond "maybe the Officers might have had a bad night," is there some way that
putting the boots to someone on the ground justified?
Police brutality is the intentional use of excessive force, usually physical, but
potentially also in the form of verbal attacks and psychological intimidation,
by a police officer. It is in some instances triggered by "contempt of cop".
For example, a perceived disrespect towards police officers. Is this what
is being seen in that video? Was the level of force seen in the video
needed for someone who'd complied with the verbal orders given.
so that they where forced to utilize force in self-defense? Was he in a combative
stance? Where these officers in fear of their safety? Did he have a stapler or
some other piece of office equipment to wield as a weapon?
Beyond "maybe the Officers might have had a bad night," is there some way that
putting the boots to someone on the ground justified?
Police brutality is the intentional use of excessive force, usually physical, but
potentially also in the form of verbal attacks and psychological intimidation,
by a police officer. It is in some instances triggered by "contempt of cop".
For example, a perceived disrespect towards police officers. Is this what
is being seen in that video? Was the level of force seen in the video
needed for someone who'd complied with the verbal orders given.
#8
Re: Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening
Mar 23rd, 2010
As I said the kicks were likely excessive. But these officers didn't just show up and start putting the boots to a few random guys. These guys on the ground are no angels. Dealing with drunk a-holes night after night would wear on anybody. Hang out at a few hotspots at closing time and you'll quickly loose any pity for these guys. I've seen guys walk out into the street after closing time, smash cars, sucker punch others who just happen to be at the wrong place at the wrong time, or even punch out their girlfriend simply because she asked him to stop being an a-hole. Follow a bunch of Junior hockey players around one night when they go clubbing, you'll want a cop to show up and give them the "what for". Ye reap what ye sows (or something like that)
#9
Vivtoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening
Mar 23rd, 2010
So....are you saying this is somehow justifiable?
#10
Re: Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening
Mar 23rd, 2010
That is brutal. That big guy shouldn't be hard to find. I wouldn't be surprised if he broke a few ribs with his kicks.
#11
Re: Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening
Mar 23rd, 2010
The 3 kicks, No, they're trained in other methods. I just understand that all humans have limitations and sometimes loose their cool when under extreme pressure. We shouldn't expect police officers to be perfect. Who knows what they've experienced or are going through on and off duty? There are too many unanswerable questions. Does this officer have a record of doing this? This is 57 seconds of a long night, we can't judge a whole police force or what we see in this video based n that very short clip.
What would we be commenting on if the video was about the two or three guys kicking the s#$t out of the guy who's out cold on the sidewalk? Would we say "Jeez the cops should pull those guys aside and be gentle but firm while arresting them?" Nah, we'll be thinkin' I wish someone would kick the S$%t out of those 3 guys for putting the boots to that poor guy who's out cold.
As I've just done, it's all speculation. 57 seconds. Nobody can make a sweeping judgment on this with an edited clip showing one officer throwing 3 kicks. (to what looks to me is their arms so they would lay down, but hey we all see what we want don't we)
What would we be commenting on if the video was about the two or three guys kicking the s#$t out of the guy who's out cold on the sidewalk? Would we say "Jeez the cops should pull those guys aside and be gentle but firm while arresting them?" Nah, we'll be thinkin' I wish someone would kick the S$%t out of those 3 guys for putting the boots to that poor guy who's out cold.
As I've just done, it's all speculation. 57 seconds. Nobody can make a sweeping judgment on this with an edited clip showing one officer throwing 3 kicks. (to what looks to me is their arms so they would lay down, but hey we all see what we want don't we)
#12
Re: Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening
Mar 23rd, 2010
Whether he's hard to find doesn't take it back. I hope he's proud to know he probably painted a target on another ten good cops.
#14
Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening
Mar 23rd, 2010
Nobody is perfect, but I expect Police officers to follow the law if they are
in place to enforce it. Spilling your coffee is Human. Boot-F**king someone
on the ground who is following orders is criminal. Criminals should not be in
Law enforcement. Expecting Law Enforcement to be Lawful isn't asking for
anything unreasonable.
in place to enforce it. Spilling your coffee is Human. Boot-F**king someone
on the ground who is following orders is criminal. Criminals should not be in
Law enforcement. Expecting Law Enforcement to be Lawful isn't asking for
anything unreasonable.
Last edited by Ron in Regina; Mar 24th, 2010 at 06:30 PM..Reason: typo
#15
Re: Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening
Mar 24th, 2010
If you watch, at the end of the clip, the cop in the black shirt seems to be laughing.
#16
Re: Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening
Mar 24th, 2010
As I said the 3 kicks were over the line but I do understand where the pressures could get to the point of loosing his cool.
3 cops vs 8 brawling drunks, 57 seconds of edited video. You don't have to forgive him, but try to understand what we ask them to deal with and our expectation for officers to handle every situation perfectly. All I ask is to try and put yourself in their place, in that situation, night after night...
3 cops vs 8 brawling drunks, 57 seconds of edited video. You don't have to forgive him, but try to understand what we ask them to deal with and our expectation for officers to handle every situation perfectly. All I ask is to try and put yourself in their place, in that situation, night after night...
#17
Re: Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening
Mar 24th, 2010
Laughing? You can hardly even see his face!
(Seeing what you want to see and not what actually is)
(Seeing what you want to see and not what actually is)
#18
Re: Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening
Mar 24th, 2010
If the discipline is that lousy it's best to get out of the field
#19
Re: Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening
Mar 24th, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by Lineman
NO, no no! This whole situation is just wrong. The guy was told to get down on the ground and he complied instantly. If they needed to arrest him they should have done nothing more - NOTHING more than put on some cuffs. That was shear brutality and nothing less. There is no way you can downplay that and you cannot reason it away by what may or may not have happened just before the video was taken. The two cops were being vigilantes. They are to uphold the law - not take it into their own hands. They should both be fired - now! They should have been fired the moment it happened. This is 57 seconds of what looks like a long night. Now if the video showed all the events that lead up to this 57 seconds it's quite possible we may understand why that police officer was as pissed off at those guys as he was. The second guy that was taken down had his left hand completely covered in what looks like blood. That didn't just happen, he did something previous to the video. If you look at the front door of the establishment you'll notice another individual who looks to be knocked out cold, result of these two guys laying a beating on him? One guy approaches the officer and though we can't hear what he says he does point out the second individual before the officer goes to arrest him. When told to lie down, he doesn't, and has to be forced to. The kicks to the arm do not make for good TV and were likely excessive but should we expect a police officer to have unlimited patience no matter what the situation? If you beat the crap out of someone should you expect to be treated politely and with kit gloves?
Any cops reading this - if you think you can explain this away, if you think there is anything right about this - hand in your badge. You shouldn't be a cop either.
#20
Re: Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening
Mar 24th, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy
I don't know if he's laughing but he's certainly happy and proud of his catch. It's so hard for me to believe this goes on. I never thought I would see the day.If you watch, at the end of the clip, the cop in the black shirt seems to be laughing.
#21
Re: Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening
Mar 24th, 2010
Absolutely outrageous.
No doubt about it, massively excessive force.
And I'm usually willing to cut the cops some slack.
No doubt about it, massively excessive force.
And I'm usually willing to cut the cops some slack.
#22
Re: Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening
Mar 24th, 2010
That did it for me....
I actually screamed OW.....when he landed that kick on the guy who did exactly as he was told.
This cop needs some down time without pay.
I love that people can photo events now on the spot - to keep us real.
I actually screamed OW.....when he landed that kick on the guy who did exactly as he was told.
This cop needs some down time without pay.
I love that people can photo events now on the spot - to keep us real.
#24
Re: Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening
Mar 24th, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by bill barilko
Looks to me like one cop was out of control. Is one cop indicative of the entire force?Video of Victoria BC police brutalising handcuffed suspects
Are all RCMP like Monty Robinson?
#25
Re: Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening
Mar 24th, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaG
This video is about VICTORIA CITY POLICE. It has zero to do with the RCMP. RCMP do not wear black uniforms.Looks to me like one cop was out of control. Is one cop indicative of the entire force?
Are all RCMP like Monty Robinson?
#26
Re: Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening
Mar 24th, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy
And this from our resident gun slinger! Unbelievable... Absolutely outrageous.
No doubt about it, massively excessive force.
And I'm usually willing to cut the cops some slack.
#28
Re: Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening
Mar 24th, 2010
Cops out of control bring down their brothers and sisters doing a good job.
I don't know why that one lost it but it wasn't necessary - I hope he's going to get
some help or he'll be putting himself and others in danger if he keeps up that kind
of reaction.
I don't know why that one lost it but it wasn't necessary - I hope he's going to get
some help or he'll be putting himself and others in danger if he keeps up that kind
of reaction.
#29
Re: Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening
Mar 24th, 2010
From where I sit it looked like one cop that was pissed off and out of control. He didn't need to kick the first guy with 3 other officers on him. He didn't need to kick the second guy, who was a bit of a moron from all appearances, but he wasn't combative and trying to comply in a fashion (when a cop tells you get on the ground, we've all seen enough TV to know that means facedown with hands where he can see them).
I'm kind of with Lineman here though, in wondering what led up to this. One guy was already cuffed to a lightpost, another guy was being subdued... was it a fight where Mr Angrycop got smacked in the middle of it? The last guy getting kicked was pointed out by the one witness/bystander as well, adding to that whole line of thought. Now that DOES NOT excuse Mr Angrycop: if he was in a physical altercation, he should have been removed from it by himself or by other officers, but it doesn't make sense for even the stupidest, most belligerant of cops to start kicking people with a crowd around like that.
I'm kind of with Lineman here though, in wondering what led up to this. One guy was already cuffed to a lightpost, another guy was being subdued... was it a fight where Mr Angrycop got smacked in the middle of it? The last guy getting kicked was pointed out by the one witness/bystander as well, adding to that whole line of thought. Now that DOES NOT excuse Mr Angrycop: if he was in a physical altercation, he should have been removed from it by himself or by other officers, but it doesn't make sense for even the stupidest, most belligerant of cops to start kicking people with a crowd around like that.
#30
Re: Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening
Mar 24th, 2010
The CBC article mentions 3 officers on site. From what I saw in the video the female officer is talking to someone on the sidewalk (lime jacket?) then there's the one in the dark shirt and Mr. Angrycop (guess that name is about is as polite as we can get). If that accounts for the 3 officers then the other two assisting with the first arrest could be passer-bys or possibly bouncers? There were 6 arrests and we see 3 in the video, where are the other 3?
I expect Mr. Angrycop to receive some disciplinary action but I also hope he gets some sort of counseling to deal with whatever lead to his loss of control. If his record is clean he deserves all the support they can give him. If on the other hand this turns out to be a habit then by all means, charge him and fire him.
I expect Mr. Angrycop to receive some disciplinary action but I also hope he gets some sort of counseling to deal with whatever lead to his loss of control. If his record is clean he deserves all the support they can give him. If on the other hand this turns out to be a habit then by all means, charge him and fire him.
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