Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening

Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening

Avro

#61

Re: Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening

Mar 25th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear

I think I told you long ago, that we really aren't that far apart in our thinking.

I liked you the minute I realized you were a Habs fan, we weren't getting along at the time, so I kept it to myself.

Yeah well they sure sucked the choda last night, blowing a 2 - 0 lead with 3:33 left in the game.

I threw up in my mouth.

AnnaG

#62

Re: Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening

Mar 25th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy

City police are much more brutal than the RCMP (in general); always have been. Anybody remember the Gastown (police) riots of '68? The Montreal cops were the worst. The only difference today is that it gets reported. In the '60s, it was always the public that started riots according to the media. But I witnessed otherwise. The media still lie bout most things, but revel in sensationalism more than they did back then. They have lowered their standards to National Enquirer levels.

Pretty much. I think the RCMP stress professionalism more than city cops and besides that, most cities have their own cops so RCMP involvement in cities' internal matters is limited.

AnnaG

#63

Re: Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening

Mar 25th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear

After he was tackled, he should have just complied.

He did.

Quote:

He didn't do what he was told, he sat down.

The 1st cop said down on the ground. The guy got on the ground. Sitting on the ground is down on the ground. The bald cop attacked him.
You're expecting someone that's had a few beers, is probably confused about what's going on enough, is being yelled at, to think clearly enough to think that "down on the ground" means "assume the position"? lol The guy was obviously compliant and was savagely attacked anyway. Normally, I'd expect that sort of treatment from some military regime in a dictatorship, but not here.

Quote:

Perceptions.

Egg Zachary.

Risus

#64

Re: Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening

Mar 25th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaG

The 1st cop said down on the ground. The guy got on the ground. Sitting on the ground is down on the ground.

Sitting on the ground is not considered down on the ground. You need to be prostrate.

lone wolf

#65

Re: Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening

Mar 25th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Risus

Sitting on the ground is not considered down on the ground. You need to be prostrate.

Hell ... even on TV they give directions. This cop was just walking attitude - the type who gets good cops bad reps.

Ron in Regina

#66

Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening

Mar 25th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Risus

Sitting on the ground is not considered down on the ground. You need to be prostrate.

Unfortunately...not every civilian is a criminal or in law enforcement, and would
not know "get down on the ground" doesn't mean "get down on the ground" but
really means, "get down on the ground and lay down and prostrate yourself."

Perhaps following the "get down on the ground" when someone complies, could
be followed up with, "...and now face down, legs spread, with hand on the back
of your Head" or something along those lines...removing the obligation of the
person complying to commands to also have to read minds.

Now the guy below might know what the officier is thinking vrs what he says:

Much of the rest of the population would be forced to follow what is actually said
to them. Oh well....in that 57 seconds, we're all going to see what we're
preconceived to see it seems. I see an assault long after the need for it has come
and gone....and therefore it is not justified at that point. I've posted the Canadian
Criminal Code's applicable sections earlier where this could be justified if it
actually fit the situation....and it doesn't. That would be post #32 in this Thread.

Goober

#67

Re: Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening

Mar 25th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Tigerbyte

It certainly is not acceptable for cops to snap for even a moment, they are in a huge position of trust and have ready means for lethal force. If they are unstable, they should not be cops.

Then you are completely uniformed on a number of issues

1 - We do not know all the facts - Was this person arrested on prior occasions and assaulted Police - Do you know? Do you know if he has a violent past - - Do you?

2 - The human condition - we can all snap for brief periods - long term stress is one indicator or precursor for this to happen. But that to you is reprehensible for a Police Officer - Robo Cop is a fantasy -

3 - You have no knowledge or understanding of what stresses Police operate under on a daily and long term basis -

4- You are just uninformed.

5 - You must be perfect as you believe people cannot snap even for a moment in time - So register and enroll as a Police Officer - You do not have it - How do i know that - Police learn to read situations and people to lessen the chances of violence - deescalate when possible - Never crossed your mind -

Am I being rude to you - no - I am being blunt - so do not take offense -

lone wolf

#68

Re: Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening

Mar 25th, 2010

...as are most people uninformed. We're not cops. We hear the "kind constable" stuff. So what if that cop had a lousy day. That wasn't on the video ... nor is it visible to the people on the street when Terminator loses it and busts a head. That which is seen is that which is known. That is why there is this thing called discipline ... and his is screwed.

Goober

#69

Re: Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening

Mar 25th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf

...as are most people uninformed. We're not cops. We hear the "kind constable" stuff. So what if that cop had a lousy day. That wasn't on the video ... nor is it visible to the people on the street when Terminator loses it and busts a head. That which is seen is that which is known. That is why there is this thing called discipline ... and his is screwed.

Lone WolfThe facts are we know little - We have seen the bad cops as in the Vancouver Airport Manslaughter at a minimum incident and Rodney King and other - Yet human nature means we can all fall prey to a hasty judgement and a final opinion based upon few facts - I in this case prefer to wait for more information to become public - No one died - So I can wait - Is that unreasonable. Are the points I brought forward unreasonable?

lone wolf

#70

Re: Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening

Mar 25th, 2010

You can wait all you want. This is here and now - just as the camera caught. Nobody gets a second chance to make a first impression. The cop may have had a rough day. True ... but nobody but he knows it. Holding cells are full of people who went down on hasty and ill-informed judgements

Ron in Regina

#71

Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening

Mar 25th, 2010

We're all Human and we all deal with Shyte everyday. Lately I've been
plying the trade of a Plumber....& trust me, I deal with my share daily.

In another life (career life, that is) I spent the better part of two decades
(off & on) as a Second Party Collector (=Repoman) and have dealt with
more than anyone's share of grief....and yet I've never had to boot-f**k
anyone on the job no matter what kind of day I've had. I've been assaulted
several times, chased with a table leg on two separate occasions, had a
guy try and run me down with his truck (I was on foot) up in Pelican Narrows,
and have had to talk my way back to my truck with a hunting rifle pointed at
my chest....and have had hundreds of threats, racial names and what have
you thrown my way on the job. Still never put the boots to someone like what's
seen in that video. Regardless of the stresses anyone operates with on a
daily (&/or long term) basis...this is still wrong, and criminal.

There are many Great Cops out there, but we're not seeing them in this video.
If the urge to throttle someone is beyond your ability to control due to job stress,
it's long past time to change occupations.

Would this same behavior be acceptable if this was anyone not in Law
Enforcement assaulting someone, in direct conflict with the Criminal Code?
Maybe these officers will get a walk on their behavour, but it shouldn't be an
automatic walk just becouse of what they do for a living.

CDNBear

#72

Re: Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening

Mar 26th, 2010

Bump

Tigerbyte

#73

Re: Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening

Mar 28th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Goober

Then you are completely uniformed on a number of issues

1 - We do not know all the facts - Was this person arrested on prior occasions and assaulted Police - Do you know? Do you know if he has a violent past - - Do you?

2 - The human condition - we can all snap for brief periods - long term stress is one indicator or precursor for this to happen. But that to you is reprehensible for a Police Officer - Robo Cop is a fantasy -

3 - You have no knowledge or understanding of what stresses Police operate under on a daily and long term basis -

4- You are just uninformed.

5 - You must be perfect as you believe people cannot snap even for a moment in time - So register and enroll as a Police Officer - You do not have it - How do i know that - Police learn to read situations and people to lessen the chances of violence - deescalate when possible - Never crossed your mind -

Am I being rude to you - no - I am being blunt - so do not take offense -

Alright, the next time I am doing my military duty and you are nearby I guess it will be ok for me to snap for just a moment. You weren't blunt, you were speaking with absolutely no knowledge of the subject or the person you were speaking about.

L Gilbert

#74

Re: Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening

Mar 28th, 2010

That bald cop's behavior is inexcusable and reprehensible. The dood needs a major attitude overhaul.

VanIsle

#75

Re: Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening

Mar 28th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Goober

Then you are completely uniformed on a number of issues

1 - We do not know all the facts - Was this person arrested on prior occasions and assaulted Police - Do you know? Do you know if he has a violent past - - Do you?
Goober. He complied. Immediately. Nothing else matters.

2 - The human condition - we can all snap for brief periods - long term stress is one indicator or precursor for this to happen. But that to you is reprehensible for a Police Officer - Robo Cop is a fantasy -I am sure the Victoria Police Force has help for members under stress and if this particular member was feeling stressed, he should have gone for help. I doubt it would have cost him a dime. It probably will cost him his job now.

3 - You have no knowledge or understanding of what stresses Police operate under on a daily and long term basis -
Oh yes I do.

4- You are just uninformed. No - I'm not.

5 - You must be perfect as you believe people cannot snap even for a moment in time - So register and enroll as a Police Officer - You do not have it - How do i know that - Police learn to read situations and people to lessen the chances of violence - deescalate when possible - Never crossed your mind - If he had read the situation properly, the man did exactly as he was told. All he had to do was cuff him and put him in a car for the ride to the office. Had he made an attempt to cuff him and the guy put up a fight - maybe a different story but he didn't. There is NO excuse for what he did. It was nothing less than a brutal attack.

Am I being rude to you - no - I am being blunt - so do not take offense -

I know you are not addressing me but I answered anyway.

Risus

#76

Re: Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening

Mar 28th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert

That bald cop's behavior is inexcusable and reprehensible. The dood needs a major attitude overhaul.

Don't judge until you know what happened before the video started...

VanIsle

#77

Re: Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening

Mar 28th, 2010

You know, it doesn't really matter what happened before hand. The guy instantly did as he was told. I just had my husband watch that video. He watched it twice. He said - I hate police brutality. The guy should lose his job.

Ron in Regina

#78

Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening

Mar 28th, 2010

Vanisle, you beat me to it...but to expand on what you've said:

I hate to say this again but.....whatever happened before the video started
wasn't happening when the video was taken, therefore not making it
applicable to the behavior of the police when the video was shot.

Was the situation under control when the video was taken? Did the suspects
comply with the verbal orders given? These questions are applicable to the
video that was taken.

Police are not Judge, Jury, and Executioners. Police are in place as Law
Enforcement (to enforce the Law, not break it). Are Police Officers as
Professionals not to be held to the same standards as other Professionals
in other fields?

If this wasn't a Police Officer abusing his authority as seen in the video, but
a School Teacher beating the Hell out of a Student after some poor behavior
was over and done with, would the same excuses be made to justify the
disregard of the Criminal Code of Canada? What if it was a Nurse kicking
the living shyte out of a Patient for some sleight, after the fact...would that be
OK and excuses made to justify it?

Professionals are either Professionals, or they shouldn't be in that Profession
....and those in that Profession would oust them in a heartbeat to preserve the
integrity of the Profession, wouldn't they? Remove their certification, etc...right?

Last edited by Ron in Regina; Mar 28th, 2010 at 04:57 PM..Reason: Typo

JLM

#79

Re: Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening

Mar 28th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Tigerbyte

Alright, the next time I am doing my military duty and you are nearby I guess it will be ok for me to snap for just a moment. You weren't blunt, you were speaking with absolutely no knowledge of the subject or the person you were speaking about.

While it's possible there were mitigating circumstances (maybe the cop caught the guy earlier in the evening scr****g his wife), but even that is not an excuse to beat on the guy (her maybe).

MHz

#80

Re: Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening

Mar 28th, 2010

Was this from a bar fight or something, even before the guy is told to get on the ground there is somebody across the street in the 'proper position'?

From what I can tell it is enough to start an investigation, one morte question , that cop in the yellow looks to be about 7ft tall and is he from a 'special dept' cause he is dressed slightly differently than the 'body handlers'?

MHz

#81

Re: Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening

Mar 28th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by JLM

While it's possible there were mitigating circumstances (maybe the cop caught the guy earlier in the evening scr****g his wife), but even that is not an excuse to beat on the guy (her maybe).

lol, I think that would mean they would both not be at this event, if she was a hotti .

shadowshiv

#82

Re: Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening

Mar 28th, 2010

While I do not condone the kicking that was handed out, the people on the ground were not angels either. According to the article I read, they were previously kicking and punching someone on the ground(the unconcious guy) just before the officers arrived. However, the victim refused to cooperate and that is why the drunks aren't getting charged(well, as of right now at least).

So, while the kicking should not have happened, the one being kicked wasn't as innocent as was purported either.

Ron in Regina

#83

Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening

Mar 28th, 2010

The Criminals on the ground where also not enacted to enforce the law....

Being Criminals, they should be punished accordingly. Same goes with
the Law Enforcement Officers when they disregarded the law. Oh well...

shadowshiv

#84

Re: Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening

Mar 28th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina

The Criminals on the ground where also not enacted to enforce the law....

Being Criminals, they should be punished accordingly. Same goes with
the Law Enforcement Officers when they disregarded the law. Oh well...

The criminals on the ground weren't trying to enforce the law at all. The police were called because of the guys kicking and beating on the unconcious person on the ground. They had no lofty goals in mind except for pummeling him to oblivion.

I don't like bad cops either. It makes the good cops' jobs that much harder. The perception of the poilce is the cornerstone of the public/police relationship. If there is no trust, there is no relationship. Only anger and resentment(and possibly fear).

globegenius

#85

Re: Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening

Apr 3rd, 2010

The guy they cuffed beat the crap out of some one before the video was taken. I hope they used the telephone book on him in the cell. Some where that the bleeding hearts can not see what he deserves. I am glad I am not a cop and have to deal with the idiots who get drunk out of their mind. He will get 3 meals and a bed. Some of these people should spend some time in a Mexican jail and see what rough is. I have never been in one but heard some pretty good horror stories. Maybe the cops should not bother going to the bars. Just let the drunks fight with who ever they want. Maybe they will give you a shot in the head next. Yah what a great idea. Police brutality. What a load of crock this video is.

AnnaG

#86

Re: Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening

Apr 3rd, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by globegenius

The guy they cuffed beat the crap out of some one before the video was taken. I hope they used the telephone book on him in the cell. Some where that the bleeding hearts can not see what he deserves. I am glad I am not a cop and have to deal with the idiots who get drunk out of their mind. He will get 3 meals and a bed. Some of these people should spend some time in a Mexican jail and see what rough is. I have never been in one but heard some pretty good horror stories. Maybe the cops should not bother going to the bars. Just let the drunks fight with who ever they want. Maybe they will give you a shot in the head next. Yah what a great idea. Police brutality. What a load of crock this video is.

Punishment for criminals is not the pervue of the police, regardless of what the criminal did. It is the responsibility of the courts to mete out punishment.
Do you pay your accountant to do your plumbing?

concern

#87

Sick

Apr 7th, 2010

I am sick to my stomack after watching this. . . no wonder I just have a panic attack when I see a cop. . . I am a law abiding citizen and this made me puke. . .

CDNBear

#88

Re: Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening

Apr 7th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by concern

I am sick to my stomack after watching this. . . no wonder I just have a panic attack when I see a cop. . . I am a law abiding citizen and this made me puke. . .

Cool, when you calm down, try a little commonsense and see how it plays out in court. Where all the facts can be presented.

Ron in Regina

#89

Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening

Apr 7th, 2010

I'm sure that nobody on the video is an Angel. Who's place is it to
decide who deserves what punishment? If it's the Police, then we
could save a whole bunch of money by just ditching the whole
justice system....so no more Judges, Juries, Lawyers, nothing....
....as the Police can take all those roles all at once on the scene.

There are reasons for the checks and balances in the system, and
that isn't being observed in that video.

Anyway....spilled milk at this point as this one is over and done with.
With the prevalence of easy, convenient, & cheap video recording
devices...this isn't the only video of this type in existence, and it will
not be the last.

The reputation (=level of respect, level of trust, etc...) of all Law
Enforcement is tarnished by the behavior displayed in these many
videos, etc...and it becomes a downhill snowball once this begins
with an "Us vs. Them" mentality between those with a badge and
those without. That's where we are at now.

The big questions now are:
1) "How does this get fixed?"
2) "How does the level of trust and respect get restored?"
3) "How does the 'Us vs. Them' mentality on both sides get resolved?"

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