Don't bother arguing, I KNOW!
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Location: pumpkin pie bungalow
Location: pumpkin pie bungalow
June 22nd, 2005, 09:42 AM
What a difference a blockade can make.
For two months in the spring, Haida and non-Haida alike blocked roads and halted major logging on Haida Gwaii.
http://pej.org/html/print.php?sid=2225
http://www.haidanation.ca/islands/Agreement.html
Hopefully this will grow to be the "norm" rather than the boot licking and ass kissing that the liberal government has been doing in this province.
(Note Pea: I edited this to make your links clickable
Cosmo
What a difference a blockade can make.
For two months in the spring, Haida and non-Haida alike blocked roads and halted major logging on Haida Gwaii.
http://pej.org/html/print.php?sid=2225
http://www.haidanation.ca/islands/Agreement.html
Hopefully this will grow to be the "norm" rather than the boot licking and ass kissing that the liberal government has been doing in this province.
(Note Pea: I edited this to make your links clickable
Cosmo 
Time Out
Posts: 4,194
Location: Vancouver
Location: Vancouver
June 22nd, 2005, 10:12 AM
Campbell will do what he can to get their resources and I think with the natives (not sure if they are Haida or not) he will run into a battle when it comes to his proposed offshore drilling and who gets the money and how much.
Quoting
You got that right. Remember when he got in the last time he sent out a mail ballot to see what we should or should not give the natives and what to do about land claims.
I hope that they win in the end, Peapod. I have a feeling the dirty tricks and lies from your present government will continue though.
Campbell will do what he can to get their resources and I think with the natives (not sure if they are Haida or not) he will run into a battle when it comes to his proposed offshore drilling and who gets the money and how much.
Ponderous Intellect
Posts: 3,859 
Location: Victoria, BC
Location: Victoria, BC
June 22nd, 2005, 10:50 AM
Here's hoping the Haida win.
I lived in the Queen Charlottes briefly. I lived in a logging camp on Lyall Island, accessible only by boat and air. The guys worked 6 days a week, but Sundays we'd take our hung over selves out touring the little Islands. I went to Tanu Island one trip. I actually stood in the spot this very photo was taken (found it thru a search -- that's not me!):
... and saw this fallen in long house:
http://www.chinooklodge.bc.ca/pages/forest1_jpg.htm
Tanu was a Haida village, dessimated by small pox brought over by us white folk. The island is amazing. So was Hot Springs Island.
When I think back to the reason I was there, I am embarassed ... but back in 1978 I didn't have the social conscience I have now.
I guess I have an opportunity for a little atonement ... will definitely do what I can to support the cause.
Thanks for posting this, Pea!
Here's hoping the Haida win.
I lived in the Queen Charlottes briefly. I lived in a logging camp on Lyall Island, accessible only by boat and air. The guys worked 6 days a week, but Sundays we'd take our hung over selves out touring the little Islands. I went to Tanu Island one trip. I actually stood in the spot this very photo was taken (found it thru a search -- that's not me!):
... and saw this fallen in long house:
http://www.chinooklodge.bc.ca/pages/forest1_jpg.htm
Tanu was a Haida village, dessimated by small pox brought over by us white folk. The island is amazing. So was Hot Springs Island.
When I think back to the reason I was there, I am embarassed ... but back in 1978 I didn't have the social conscience I have now.
I guess I have an opportunity for a little atonement ... will definitely do what I can to support the cause.Thanks for posting this, Pea!
Member
Posts: 55
Location: north-eastern Ontario
Location: north-eastern Ontario
September 18th, 2005, 07:16 AM
RCMP: To Arrest Tahltan Elders on September 16
For Immediate Release
Tahltan Traditional Territory
September 16, 2005
The RCMP confirmed today that arrests will be made at 1:00 PM Pacific Time. Fortune Minerals will then attempt to move equipment and trucks through the blockade.
http://www.tahltan.blogspot.com/
RCMP: To Arrest Tahltan Elders on September 16
For Immediate Release
Tahltan Traditional Territory
September 16, 2005
The RCMP confirmed today that arrests will be made at 1:00 PM Pacific Time. Fortune Minerals will then attempt to move equipment and trucks through the blockade.
http://www.tahltan.blogspot.com/
Don't bother arguing, I KNOW!
Posts: 10,754
Location: pumpkin pie bungalow
Location: pumpkin pie bungalow
September 18th, 2005, 10:45 AM
Dena nenn Sogga neh 'ine" (Protectors or Keepers of the Land)
We, the Tahltan People, historically a sovereign nation have occupied our
traditional territories since time immemorial. Our culture is organized
through a matrilineal clan system. This has always been and remains our
broad governing structure. Tahltan Elders held the responsibility to
uphold Tahltan beliefs, customs, values and laws for future generations.
Our inherent rights are given by Creator and cannot be diminished or
removed by any law including discriminatory government legislation such as
the Indian Act. The clan, elders, families and Tahltan People have been
marginalized and fragmented by settler society and the genocidal practices
of church and state. Tahltan land remains Unceded territory, which has
never been surrendered or taken in war or conquest. We will defend in any
way necessary our rights and freedoms, to be self-determining.
Today, we Tahltan People face numerous massive development projects.
Agreements have been negotiated in secret between Indian Act chiefs, the
Tahltan Central Council and government and industry. The promise of jobs
does not compensate for loss of land, resources and impacts on the
environment and people. This is not only a violation of Tahltan law; it
is a fundamental violation of our rights under the Canadian Constitution.
No indigenous culture could survive the combined impact of the proposed
projects. Our land, and the creatures that depend on that land, would be
devastated. Our Tahltan People would be devastated.
Therefore, it is both our right and our responsibility, as Tahltan Elders,
to reclaim our legitimate place within Tahltan law and custom. The actions
of chiefs and councils, Tahltan Central Council, and others who purport to
represent Tahltan interest, have forced us to occupy the Band offices in
Telegraph Creek. These non-represented individuals and bodies have
exceeded their authority and no longer have the confidence or trust of the
Tahltan People and therefore can no longer represent us.
Our responsibilities as Tahltan Elders require us to inform all those who
would come to this land and desecrate it for their own financial gain that
you can no longer negotiate agreements in secret. Tahltan Elders are the
true, legitimate governing body. We will apply Tahltan laws to stabilize,
build, and strengthen our nation. We will protect our way of life and
Mother Earth from further harmful assaults.
We, the Tahltan Elders are the stewards of our homeland, which we have
continued to sustain and hold in trust for future generations make this
solemn declaration:
1. We assert our aboriginal title and inherent rights to the land
and resources within our traditional territory.
2. We declare a complete moratorium on resource development in our
territory until:
a. the leadership dispute has been resolved,
b. a fair, just, and legitimate process is developed which honours
Tahltan custom and law;
c. all Tahltan members are consulted, informed and give final approval
of development
3. Prior to any future development in Tahltan Territory, legal
agreements must be negotiated with Tahltan Elders that ensure Tahltan
People equitable share in revenues generated and are involved in all
aspects of decision-making.
4. All agreements negotiated with industry and government to date,
because of the absence of the participation and consent of the Tahltan
Elders and Families, are hereby declared void.
Dena nenn Sogga neh 'ine" (Protectors or Keepers of the Land)
We, the Tahltan People, historically a sovereign nation have occupied our
traditional territories since time immemorial. Our culture is organized
through a matrilineal clan system. This has always been and remains our
broad governing structure. Tahltan Elders held the responsibility to
uphold Tahltan beliefs, customs, values and laws for future generations.
Our inherent rights are given by Creator and cannot be diminished or
removed by any law including discriminatory government legislation such as
the Indian Act. The clan, elders, families and Tahltan People have been
marginalized and fragmented by settler society and the genocidal practices
of church and state. Tahltan land remains Unceded territory, which has
never been surrendered or taken in war or conquest. We will defend in any
way necessary our rights and freedoms, to be self-determining.
Today, we Tahltan People face numerous massive development projects.
Agreements have been negotiated in secret between Indian Act chiefs, the
Tahltan Central Council and government and industry. The promise of jobs
does not compensate for loss of land, resources and impacts on the
environment and people. This is not only a violation of Tahltan law; it
is a fundamental violation of our rights under the Canadian Constitution.
No indigenous culture could survive the combined impact of the proposed
projects. Our land, and the creatures that depend on that land, would be
devastated. Our Tahltan People would be devastated.
Therefore, it is both our right and our responsibility, as Tahltan Elders,
to reclaim our legitimate place within Tahltan law and custom. The actions
of chiefs and councils, Tahltan Central Council, and others who purport to
represent Tahltan interest, have forced us to occupy the Band offices in
Telegraph Creek. These non-represented individuals and bodies have
exceeded their authority and no longer have the confidence or trust of the
Tahltan People and therefore can no longer represent us.
Our responsibilities as Tahltan Elders require us to inform all those who
would come to this land and desecrate it for their own financial gain that
you can no longer negotiate agreements in secret. Tahltan Elders are the
true, legitimate governing body. We will apply Tahltan laws to stabilize,
build, and strengthen our nation. We will protect our way of life and
Mother Earth from further harmful assaults.
We, the Tahltan Elders are the stewards of our homeland, which we have
continued to sustain and hold in trust for future generations make this
solemn declaration:
1. We assert our aboriginal title and inherent rights to the land
and resources within our traditional territory.
2. We declare a complete moratorium on resource development in our
territory until:
a. the leadership dispute has been resolved,
b. a fair, just, and legitimate process is developed which honours
Tahltan custom and law;
c. all Tahltan members are consulted, informed and give final approval
of development
3. Prior to any future development in Tahltan Territory, legal
agreements must be negotiated with Tahltan Elders that ensure Tahltan
People equitable share in revenues generated and are involved in all
aspects of decision-making.
4. All agreements negotiated with industry and government to date,
because of the absence of the participation and consent of the Tahltan
Elders and Families, are hereby declared void.
Member
Posts: 55
Location: north-eastern Ontario
Location: north-eastern Ontario
September 19th, 2005, 09:31 AM
Similar struggle used to happen in Temagami, north-eastern Ontario
http://lucid.dreaming.org/temagami/fight.html
http://lucid.dreaming.org/temagami/index.html
However, after years of assimilation tactics applied by the government there are very few left who care for the traditional ways of Land use.
And those few are dying off.
And the rest are almost irreversibly corrupted
( substances, alcohol, money ).
Knowing all this, how can Canada be ranked 'one of the best countries' to live?
Similar struggle used to happen in Temagami, north-eastern Ontario
http://lucid.dreaming.org/temagami/fight.html
http://lucid.dreaming.org/temagami/index.html
However, after years of assimilation tactics applied by the government there are very few left who care for the traditional ways of Land use.
And those few are dying off.
And the rest are almost irreversibly corrupted
( substances, alcohol, money ).
Knowing all this, how can Canada be ranked 'one of the best countries' to live?
Don't bother arguing, I KNOW!
Posts: 10,754
Location: pumpkin pie bungalow
Location: pumpkin pie bungalow
September 22nd, 2005, 09:49 AM
RCMP To Arrest Tahltan Elders TodaySep 16, 2005 Tahltan Press Release
Tahltan Traditional Territory - The RCMP confirmed today that arrests will be made at 1:00 PM Pacific Time. Fortune Minerals will then attempt to move equipment and trucks through the blockade. On Friday, September 16 our precious Elders will stand in front of heavy equipment and trucks carrying drills. Without any weapons, without any violence. They will peacefully demonstrate, and make a strong statement that our land and the future of our children is not for sale. Then, the police will carry our elders away in traditional button blankets.
Today, we were joined by a delegation of 15 from Office of the Wet'suwet'en. The delegation was led by the famous Chief Gisdaywa (Alfred Joseph) from the famous Delgamuukw/Gisdaywa trial. Gisdaywa gave a heartwarming address. He reminded us that we are one as we share a common border and kinship ties. He expressed his deepest gratitude to the people for protecting their sacred headwaters of the Skeena. The Office of the Wet'suwet'en formally lent their support to the Tahltan Nation Blockade. A wonderful meal, music, and prayers and were shared as evening grew into night by the sacred fire that was kept burning by a Miq Maq man to keep us strong and united.
This is not a unique struggle, every Nation on Turtle Island has felt the wrath of government and industry as they continue to consume many Nations and cultures in the name of profit. To the Tahltans, what is unique is that their own people have turned against them in the name of the almighty buck.
John Nole, a Tahltan member of the Wolf clan was on hand to recount what happened a year ago. When, TNDC employees contracted by Shell Canada built a road down the middle of his traditional camp site. Tahltans were attending the funeral of an elder in Dease Lake. The assault on his camp was completed when he returned from the funeral. John made a stand against the invasion and was ignored. This is history repeating itself. John Nole's late grandfather Bell Nole had his camp destroyed a few decades ago by heavy equipment putting the first road into the Klappan area.
Aaron Brown, returned to the territory after completing High School 10 years ago. Since then he has been in training with many elders. What he learned from the elders cannot be found in Canadian institutions When our elders go into the spirit world they will take much of this knowledge with them. Aaron Brown does not talk about the Tahltan way of life, he lives it. He says "this is our land, we have never surrendered. They cannot come in and ignore us because we have rights as Aboriginal People." He will stand and fight for our land in the memory of his Grandparents.
For information call Terri Brown (250) 234-3023 or Rhoda Quock Sat #011 8816 3146 6505 or e-mail ktab777@hotmail.com
RCMP To Arrest Tahltan Elders TodaySep 16, 2005 Tahltan Press Release
Tahltan Traditional Territory - The RCMP confirmed today that arrests will be made at 1:00 PM Pacific Time. Fortune Minerals will then attempt to move equipment and trucks through the blockade. On Friday, September 16 our precious Elders will stand in front of heavy equipment and trucks carrying drills. Without any weapons, without any violence. They will peacefully demonstrate, and make a strong statement that our land and the future of our children is not for sale. Then, the police will carry our elders away in traditional button blankets.
Today, we were joined by a delegation of 15 from Office of the Wet'suwet'en. The delegation was led by the famous Chief Gisdaywa (Alfred Joseph) from the famous Delgamuukw/Gisdaywa trial. Gisdaywa gave a heartwarming address. He reminded us that we are one as we share a common border and kinship ties. He expressed his deepest gratitude to the people for protecting their sacred headwaters of the Skeena. The Office of the Wet'suwet'en formally lent their support to the Tahltan Nation Blockade. A wonderful meal, music, and prayers and were shared as evening grew into night by the sacred fire that was kept burning by a Miq Maq man to keep us strong and united.
This is not a unique struggle, every Nation on Turtle Island has felt the wrath of government and industry as they continue to consume many Nations and cultures in the name of profit. To the Tahltans, what is unique is that their own people have turned against them in the name of the almighty buck.
John Nole, a Tahltan member of the Wolf clan was on hand to recount what happened a year ago. When, TNDC employees contracted by Shell Canada built a road down the middle of his traditional camp site. Tahltans were attending the funeral of an elder in Dease Lake. The assault on his camp was completed when he returned from the funeral. John made a stand against the invasion and was ignored. This is history repeating itself. John Nole's late grandfather Bell Nole had his camp destroyed a few decades ago by heavy equipment putting the first road into the Klappan area.
Aaron Brown, returned to the territory after completing High School 10 years ago. Since then he has been in training with many elders. What he learned from the elders cannot be found in Canadian institutions When our elders go into the spirit world they will take much of this knowledge with them. Aaron Brown does not talk about the Tahltan way of life, he lives it. He says "this is our land, we have never surrendered. They cannot come in and ignore us because we have rights as Aboriginal People." He will stand and fight for our land in the memory of his Grandparents.
For information call Terri Brown (250) 234-3023 or Rhoda Quock Sat #011 8816 3146 6505 or e-mail ktab777@hotmail.com
