Canadian Idol Fans Watching American Idol (Canadian Idol Fans Watching)


missaddicted
#91
I agree with you about the "twist". I would prefer if the judges didn't have any say at all. But I prefer this scenario over a sing-off between the bottom 2 and then the judges deciding who goes home, for example. At least it doesn't give them too much power. I almost wish that the one who will be saved will be booted again the week after just to show the judges that the viewers don't care about their veto. And, yes, two rejections in a few minutes is a bit much.

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Is it common on this show to make contestants (and audience) wait through the guest artist's song in order to hear the verdict?

Well, it's different each week I would say. But there were two people going home this week though so it was even more different than usual. Usually, it's just a commercial break.

I didn't say anything about Kanye because I've already made myself forget about him. I hate hip hop music in general (except M.I.A's Paper Planes), and Kanye is definitely overrated.

We'll probably hear about next week's theme in the media in the next few days. I'm pretty sure David Cook is going to be there singing his new single. Well, he'll release two singles at the same time (Come Back to Me for top40/HAC radio and Bar-ba-sol for rock radio), but he'll probably sing Come Back to Me, which isn't my favorite on the album and I wonder if he'll be able to make it more exciting live or not. It's still going to be great to see him there on the stage where I first discovered him! Did you get a chance to listen to his album? You didn't like it and you don't want to tell me?

On iTunes, you can find studio versions of the songs they did on the show, the whole song. I have to say that I'm really unsure about both Danny's and Kris' songs. I also wanted to listen to Adam's and Matt's song (well the 30 seconds snippet), but iTunes is not letting me right now. I want to see how Adam sounds on a recording. Not to go back too much on David Cook, but last year, I bought all the studio versions of his songs (and the videos) and I still listen to a good number of them (the studio version of Billie Jean is still killing me every time I hear it). They really seemed to be of better quality than the two I bought tonight. We'll see, maybe I'll get used to the cheesy keybords.

ETA: Well, I just saw the theme for next week: Grand Ole Opry. Ugh, country music, I almost hate it more than hip hop music. Could make or break certain contestants though.
 
missaddicted
#92
Apparently, I was completely wrong Cook is not going to be on AI next week at all. Carrie Underwood, Randy Travis and Brad Paisley will be there. Which fits with the theme for the week. Bleh, country music.
 
ross 1
#93
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Apparently, I was completely wrong Cook is not going to be on AI next week at all. Carrie Underwood, Randy Travis and Brad Paisley will be there. Which fits with the theme for the week. Bleh, country music.

Get out your cowboy hats, folks. The first person I think about re country week is Adam. He will probably do just great. Being in theatre has probably helped him be adaptable to different genres. But I'm wondering what he's going to sing. Stand By Your Man? lol His usual look won't cut it, either. Yet anything too cowboy and you're talking Village People.

So you have never heard one of Adam's recordings? Or do you just mean his iTunes/Idol stuff? This is one of his recordings,

Pop Goes the Camera.

I don't have any love for country music. I can't believe a lot of AI viewers are country fans, though I may be totally wrong. I actually like a lot of hip-hop, but I'm only in the mood for it when I'm in the mood for it. Kanye, though: uh-uh. What a poseur.

David Cook:

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Did you get a chance to listen to his album? You didn't like it and you don't want to tell me?

I haven't listened to it yet! But I did hear it in a record store. There was a store near where I live, and the manager was a big Idol fan and especially a Cook fan. (The store was a casualty of the bad economy, unfortunately.) I heard parts of the album two different times I was in the store (incl. the bonus track of Eleanor Rigby. Don't know if this was on the disc, or a download). I mostly really liked it, though as I think you said it sounds a bit...well, you didn't say "generic rock album," but that is how I would put it, myself. Just a bit, though. Still, for an "Idol" album, it's really very good. But I have yet to actually get the chance to give it a good listen. He's a great singer.

I'm a bit worried the save could be used for Anoop or another wild card contestant, which would really be a case of the judges forcing somebody on the populace, methinks.

I've smiled as Kris gets a bit more popular on the forums. He may even end up being the "safe" choice between Adam and Danny, at some point.
He's definitely a dark horse -- hope he can hang on. What is this "404 Server Not Found" joke at his expense? Grrr...
 
missaddicted
#94
Thanks for the link. I listened to it for a second time since I actually listened to it last weekend and it's ok I guess, the chorus is catchy. Dance music is really hit or miss with me though. For example, I really like "Just Dance" by Lady Gaga, but I can't stand any of her other stuff.

What I especially wanted to know was if I could enjoy the studio version of his song this week or if it was as OTT as the live performance. I went on a shopping spree this morning and you know what, I really like his song. His vocals are mostly enjoyable and he really makes the song work (and I can actually understand the words, contrary to MJ's version).

I also bought Alexis' and Matt's songs. I like them both. I really like the energy that Alexis brought to the song. Matt's song is a bit on the cheesy side and there's still a bit too much falsetto, but it's good. And I have to admit that I got used to the cheesy keyboards on Kris' and Danny's songs. I just try to concentrate on their voices and it works. I love both their voices. You know, if you had told me a few weeks ago that I would buy 5 of the 13 songs from this week, I wouldn't have believed you, so I guess it's a good sign for the rest of the season!

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I mostly really liked it, though as I think you said it sounds a bit...well, you didn't say "generic rock album," but that is how I would put it, myself. Just a bit, though. Still, for an "Idol" album, it's really very good. But I have yet to actually get the chance to give it a good listen. He's a great singer.

Oh, I think I did use the term generic when describing his album, because that's exactly what I think. Not as generic as Nickelback let's say, but still. It's weird because when I first bought it, I wasn't as enthusiastic about it as most of his fans. But now, most of the songs really grew on me and I can't get tired of his voice. A lot of his fans (well, the ones I "see" on the forums) treat his music (and him) as if it was the best thing since sliced bread, but I'm more realistic. I think it's a solid album and I just hope that he has the chance to make several more to really show what he his capable of.

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Get out your cowboy hats, folks. The first person I think about re country week is Adam. He will probably do just great. Being in theatre has probably helped him be adaptable to different genres. But I'm wondering what he's going to sing. Stand By Your Man? lol His usual look won't cut it, either. Yet anything too cowboy and you're talking Village People.

I think what will be interesting will be to see if some of them can make the song their own, as cliché as that sounds. I don't want them to come out with the cowboy boots and the hat, I want them to take a country song and do it in their respective style. I'm asking for a lot, am I? I hope I'll be surprised.

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I'm a bit worried the save could be used for Anoop or another wild card contestant, which would really be a case of the judges forcing somebody on the populace, methinks.

I'm not sure the judges like Anoop that much. They just know that he's really popular for some reason. But I could totally be wrong. The most valid prediction that I saw would be that they could use it on Lil. I guess it would be a possibility for people to get tired of her (since she doesn't bring anything new, in my opinion of course, but it seems to be a popular opinion) before the top 5, so that they could use the "save" to save her. We'll see.

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I've smiled as Kris gets a bit more popular on the forums. He may even end up being the "safe" choice between Adam and Danny, at some point.
He's definitely a dark horse -- hope he can hang on. What is this "404 Server Not Found" joke at his expense? Grrr...

Yeah, I didn't read that many opinions about the show, only a couple of pages from the episode thread on TWoP (and Slezak's favorable opinion of course), but I got that people seemed to like him. I still think it's because he brings something a bit different than a lot of the others. Not to mention that he's a very likeable guy and he brings the pretty. Should he have kept his wife a secret? I hope not, but I was a teenage girl not that long ago... Was it on TWoP that you saw that he was gaining in popularity or elsewhere? I also hope he can hang on for a while because he's the one from that bunch that I would most see myself buying music from.

On the TV Guide website today, they had a poll asking people who their favorite from the top 11 is and you know, with all the Danny "hate" that I've read on TWoP, I was almost surprised to see that he was leading with 33% of the 2000 votes that had been casted when I checked. Adam was second with 24%. The others were all left in the dust way behind (I think Lil was third with 9%). The fact is, I can't imagine Danny winning. It would probably be like Taylor Hicks 2.0, because he's not really marketable I think. As much as I like his voice, I don't really see where he would fit in the music business. Anyway, it's still really early in the competition and David Archuleta was probably leading these kind of polls at this point last season.

(Well, after writing that post, I went back to check on the poll, which has now 4500 votes and now Adam is in the lead with 30%, then Anoop with 26% and Danny at 22%. Lil is down at 5% and the others are at 1% or 3%. Anoop really? He's not even really good. Likeable, yes, but I need more than that, he hasn't been that impressive yet. Well, I think it's the kind of poll that people can vote for many times, so it might not mean anything at all!)
 
ross 1
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I think what will be interesting will be to see if some of them can make the song their own, as cliché as that sounds. I don't want them to come out with the cowboy boots and the hat, I want them to take a country song and do it in their respective style. I'm asking for a lot, am I? I hope I'll be surprised.

You may be -- this may even turn out to be one of the better episodes; when people have to go outside their comfort zones, it can sometimes work. I think the genres are fun for what they show you about the singers -- as singers and personalities.

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On the TV Guide website today, they had a poll asking people who their favorite from the top 11 is and you know, with all the Danny "hate" that I've read on TWoP, I was almost surprised to see that he was leading with 33% of the 2000 votes that had been casted when I checked. Adam was second with 24%. The others were all left in the dust way behind (I think Lil was third with 9%). The fact is, I can't imagine Danny winning. It would probably be like Taylor Hicks 2.0, because he's not really marketable I think. As much as I like his voice, I don't really see where he would fit in the music business. Anyway, it's still really early in the competition and David Archuleta was probably leading these kind of polls at this point last season.

(Well, after writing that post, I went back to check on the poll, which has now 4500 votes and now Adam is in the lead with 30%, then Anoop with 26% and Danny at 22%. Lil is down at 5% and the others are at 1% or 3%. Anoop really? He's not even really good. Likeable, yes, but I need more than that, he hasn't been that impressive yet. Well, I think it's the kind of poll that people can vote for many times, so it might not mean anything at all!)

Thanks for sharing this. I wouldn't find a lot of this stuff on my own!

The show is so schizoid. People are hoping to get recording contracts, so they compete for votes by being more like TV stars or performers than recording artists. How many actual recording artists would be any good at it? The show is all about discovering the next recording star, yet it's TV, so it creates TV stars. Anoop, for example. If there were still TV variety shows, a lot of these people could get their own shows and work for years. Instead they get 15 minutes.

About Kris:

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Was it on TWoP that you saw that he was gaining in popularity or elsewhere? I also hope he can hang on for a while because he's the one from that bunch that I would most see myself buying music from.

I saw a lot of positive remarks about him on TWoP, yeah. And not really any negative ones I can recall.

Hey, I'm thinking he may do well next week. He already has the twang, right? And the guitar.

I really enjoy the stuff you uncover and your opinions so keep 'em coming!
 
missaddicted
#96
I thought it was another pretty good show tonight, even though I dislike country music very much. But I have some complaints about the performance order. I mean I know I shouldn't expect fairness from the AI TPTB, but Kris went again in the first hour of the show and Matt and Megan went towards the end once again, especially Matt, who had the pimp spot tonight and was second to last last week. Also, I'm maybe the only one who thought about that but Kris and Allison, since the semis, have always performed in the same segment, one after the other. Do I spend too much time reading the Grassy Knoll?

My recap of the performances:

Michael: Well, he wasn't as boring as last week, but I think I would still vote for the harmonica player before voting for him. The song he did is exactly the type of country song I really dislike.

Allison: She's getting a lot of hype I guess, but she leaves me rather cold. Actually she reminds me a bit of Mookie. What I mean is, they're both young, they're both cool, but I don't feel any emotional connection at all. I think that's what Allison is lacking for me. She's still young though.

Kris: Ah, I just love his tone. And with him, I did feel the emotional connection, I was pretty much captivated. I was a bit worried that I would find him boring without his guitar and sitting on a stool like that, but I loved him. Did I mention that I loved his tone? Love it, even with the slight vocal imperfections. I also really liked his reaction to Simon's comments, he was just genuinely happy to get his approval. Please be safe once again Kris!

By the way, ross, did you listen to his original songs? I was wondering when they were going to come out. MJ posted them on her blog. They're not the best songs ever, but I really really like them. Definitely one type of music that I enjoy.

Lil: I didn't like this at all. I thought her style was horrible again and her voice was really shaky. Not to mention that the song didn't fit her at all. So contrary to what she said, she didn't show me at all that she could change things up and still make it work. Oh, and I just wanted to tell her to shut up when the judges were giving their comments. And I can't believe Randy told her she should have done IWALY. That would have been even worse, in my opinion.

Adam: Adam is driving me crazy. Seriously. I can't decide if I want to be on the love train or off (definitely not on the hate train though, I really like him, if not his OTT style sometimes). I'm very much on the love train tonight. His performance was so weird, but I just loved it... except for the faces, they're still a bit much. I loved his vocals like that. Randy Travis's reaction to him was priceless, but I still cringed a little. So what if he wears nail polish?

I have to admit that it was a slow day yesterday and I watched a lot of his videos, most of them I hadn't watched yet. I must admit I'm kinda smitten with him. If that's even possible. I guess I just enjoy that there's a contestants like him on a show like AI. He took a big drop tonight it seems if I look at the "results" from Dialidol.

OK, getting back to my recap:

Scott: He has to go, seriously. There's boring and there's BORING. He chooses the most boring songs and his vocals are not up to par.

Alexis: I liked her vocals and didn't really find her off-pitch, but her mannerisms bothered me a bit tonight. Too many unnecessary hand and head movements for the song.

Danny: I stay as far as possible from Carrie's songs. Jesus, Take the Wheel? Not a song I would want on my iPod. He was ok I guess, but he does start to grate a little, maybe the hate is getting a bit to me. And Jesus, Take the Wheel, really? I like you when you're fun Danny, not when you sing about Jesus. At least, the wedding ring didn't make a comeback.

Anoop: It was nice and a very good comeback from him. In the "tender and honest" department, I prefer Kris though.

Megan "I dropped my last name" Joy: Well, she was sick, which almost makes me want to be kind to her. But I can't really. I disliked the arrangement and her vocals are still very unpleasant to my ears.

Matt: I still haven't really made up my mind about his performance. The vocals were ok, but I didn't find them outstanding. I'll probably like the recording though. The thing is, he made the song sound a bit like what a coronation song would sound like and I found the arrangement a bit lite-FM. I'm not sure that's really a compliment. I still want to see more from him, because right now, I can't say that he's "piercing my heart" (tm Paula) with his singing.

Who's going home? Scott or Michael hopefully. Or Megan, but I don't think so. I want to see more from the others.
 
ross 1
#97
To me, Kris had the night's best performance. Along with vocal ability, he has taste, the song was beautifully realized; his judgement as a performer is right on, and he comes across as sincere, real, and very professional. Plus I totally love his voice. I thought it was beautiful. Way to go.

Our local Fox newscast had a segment on the show, and led off with Kris's vocal because it was the anchorman's favorite of the night (good taste, man.) (His partner liked Anoop.)

I agree with the judges that Scott's song/performance was really similar to last week's, but he did say he's "lost a lot of hat picks." He didn't overawe me but he's growing on me for some reason. I love him personally, he's an awesome guy; but I'm also beginning to realize he really is a touching singer and performer; I wish his voice was stronger, but he does bring a lot of feeling to what he sings and I appreciate that side of him.

Michael's was the one believable country performance of the night, so it gets some points just for that. At least he could perform the genre. Not exactly brilliant, but it did come across as authentic. Allison adapted to country surprisingly easily, singing with a country-rock sound that worked for the song. Nice vocal quality. Sweet personality, interacting with the judges and Ryan.

I have to give Lil credit for trying to be true to the genre, also. Her voice often sounded beautiful. Unfortunately, the performance lacked energy, and maybe conviction. It was somewhat dull. This week and last week seem to prove she really can't sing very far out of her own genre/style. There's really nothing wrong with that, but it doesn't work too well with the show's concept.

Uh...who else sang? Oh, yeah. Danny. I thought perhaps he oversang. I love the sound of his voice, but tonight something about it seemed forced, and it wasn't involving. Actually he seemed somewhat nervous, to me. Anoop sang pretty well; I think his voice is good, but ordinary. His delivery lacked originality. Still, this was by far the best thing he's done that I've seen. He held my attention without really blowing me away. Alexis was pitchy but that didn't bother me as much as her emotionless, flat delivery. To me, it was like she wasn't thinking about what she was singing. Still, she was better than Megan, who was sick with the flu. Lucky for her, because I think the sympathy vote will save her this week. The judges' overpimping of her is weird; I think she's terrible.

Adam was ridiculous. I think that version would have been okay in a club, where most of the people in the audience were fans or friends. For this show it was too esoteric and arty. And I'm beginning to wonder if he can sing anything without trying to sex it up. I'm not feeling the love tonight. Matt just somehow never makes any impression on me. I have to practically force myself to pay attention when he comes on my tv screen. I don't know why. So I guess if you like what he does, it was good.

ETA: missaddicted, thanks for the heads-up re Kris's songs. I haven't been over to mj's blog today. I'll have to wait till tomorrow to check out his music. Yeah, now that you mention it, I've noticed Kris never gets on later in the show, and Matt is always on near or at the end. This stuff annoys me! I hadn't noticed how Kris and Allison are always paired up, though. Strange!
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missaddicted
#98
Well, I guess we're not always in agreement ross! I mean we agree about Kris and some others, but our opinions on Scott and Adam are very very different. It's funny because Scott doesn't make me feel anything. At all. He feels very robotic to me. At this point, I really can't see anything redeeming about him.

About Adam, I mean, yes his performance was a bit ridiculous, but I enjoyed the fact that it was just different. He's extremely polarizing for sure. Anyway, I don't think any contestant ever left me feeling so ambivalent about them. I also just appreciate the fact that he's so much more interesting than most of the contestants left. He's more exciting.

About Matt, I agree with you that he doesn't make an impression. Maybe that's why I'm having trouble making my mind about him. He comes off as a bit bland too, not really likeable but you can't really hate him either (even though it seems that a lot of people seem to think he's a douche).

At least, we agree about Megan. I can't wait until she's out of there!
 
ross 1
#99
I liked Adam's previous two performances. He now seems narrower to me as an artist. I felt his attitude was "I don't do country," so he didn't try. Had he tried (as Anoop did) to meet the genre halfway he might have given a great performance. If he had taken it seriously. I don't mean he had to do a serious song. I mean he should have respected the genre. I don't feel he did.

There are many great country songs, as I think the evening's choices proved. "Ring Of Fire" is a good song. The offbeat sitar arrangement was fine, but what does the song have to do with that male Britney/Madonna act he's been doing every time he sings? The last two times, I didn't mind; it even fit Satisfaction, but this time the weird seductiveness was just embarrassing, and I wonder if the guy is just all about camping everything up.
 
SleepinIn
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*popping back in for a moment*

I really liked Adam last night. It was a bit odd to watch on AI but it was interesting and he sounded good.

but this is a really good point.

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I felt his attitude was "I don't do country," so he didn't try.

At what point does making a song your own mean that you don't sing in the musical style of the "genre week" ? That's a good point. He did change the genres.. 'cause it really wasn't country music he was singing, although I liked it a lot.

I also liked Anoop a lot, and he did sing within the genre.

I missed a few singers last night, but I saw Adam, Scott and Anoop and Alexis. (hopefully I'm getting the names right - hee)

I loved Adam and Anoop, Scott bored me (although he does have a pleasing voice) and I thought Alexis didn't give Jolene enough angst.
 
MissAnnika
#101
it's because of the lovable jerk Simon isn't it?
 
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I missed a few singers last night, but I saw Adam, Scott and Anoop and Alexis. (hopefully I'm getting the names right - hee)

SleepinIn, I'm not sure how long these stay on the 'net, but right now they're still there: videos of --, --, --, --, and --, from last night.

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That's a good point. He did change the genres.. 'cause it really wasn't country music he was singing, although I liked it a lot.

I also liked Anoop a lot, and he did sing within the genre.

That's a good point (I mean when you said: "At what point does making a song your own mean that you don't sing in the musical style of the 'genre week' ?").

I don't think you actually have to sing like a country singer for country week (but it doesn't hurt. Michael Sarver was really, really lucky it happened to be country week last week, imho). I just think you maybe have to try to understand and respect the genre a bit. And try not to screw with it too much. Plus, in Adam's case, I'm bummed he played it safe and didn't step out of his comfort zone. For anyone else, that would have been a brave performance, I guess, but for him it probably was what he's comfortable doing.

Maybe I'm wrong, but from what Adam said before the show (in an interview), he knew nothing about country music going in, and it seems to me he learned little about it from hanging with Randy Travis and being on that episode. I think it's good for an artist to be open and try to learn from all sources, and he struck me as surprisingly narrow and set in his one musical groove.
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missaddicted
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You know ross, I hear what you're saying about Adam and you make valid arguments, there's no doubt. But all I can say is: I don't care. I loved his performance. Like LOVED it. I rewatched it to see if I was crazy, but I still loved it. I don't care if he played around the genre (especially since it was country music, bleh), but I wouldn't have cared if it had been anybody else in this situation. Even Kris didn't sound country at all if you ask me (thank God!).

The thing is I love the fact that he's there on AI being himself right to the end of his thumb nail (polish). I just don't want the show to beat the uniqueness out of him and put him in a box like they like doing with so many contestants. I applaud him for doing something even if he knew that it was really polarizing (I mean, he must have known). It's exciting to watch him, because he's unpredictable.

But I have to say that the main thing that really made me love his performance last night was his vocals. I thought they were beautiful and amazing and I truly enjoyed them for the first time, regardless of the WTF? feeling of the performance.

OK, about tonight's show:

Well, I'm a bit disappointed that Alexis left, since I don't have any love for any of the remaining girls. I never thought the judges would actually save her, way too early in the game, and she sounded pretty bad tonight.

I fast-forwarded most of Brad Paisley and thought Carrie's song was a snooze-fest. But she actually sounded great, better than Kelly last week I thought. And I can't really stand her voice usually.

I just bought Adam's and Kris' songs from iTunes and they're both awesome. The vocals are front and center. I'm considering buying Matt's song since he sounds so much better in the studio than live (to my ears anyway), but I'm still debating it.
 
ross 1
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You know ross, I hear what you're saying about Adam and you make valid arguments, there's no doubt. But all I can say is: I don't care. I loved his performance. Like LOVED it. I rewatched it to see if I was crazy, but I still loved it. I don't care if he played around the genre (especially since it was country music, bleh), but I wouldn't have cared if it had been anybody else in this situation. Even Kris didn't sound country at all if you ask me (thank God!).

Well, missaddicted, my man Simon and I thought it was self-indulgent rubbish!



lol. You know I'm a fan of Adam. We just disagree about this performance (aside from what I thought about country week, or whatever, I just didn't like it). But I think he needs to give a serious, possibly even mature, un-self-indulgent performance, soon, or he's gonna be outta there. (Well, not really, because if he gets voted off, the judges will save him.) Actually, I think that's what he'll probably do, shortly. Anyway, I'm not off the Adam bandwagon yet.

I don't know if he really wants to win or just gain exposure, but if he wants to win or get near it, I think he needs to play the game to the extent that he doesn't lose too many votes (I'm sure you saw the DialIdol results; he didn't do too well this week).

Okay: Tonight's little love-fest:

If you read my response to SleepinIn, above, I said I thought Michael was soooo lucky they did country last week. His song and his response to Simon, who didn't understand the lyrics ("the country folks did") got him plenty of votes from parts of this country where they love that stuff. Not a huge amount, obviously, but he's in the Top 10. I don't know what to think about Alexis. The opposite, I guess. Country week did her in. Or her song choice did. (She should have chosen Patsy Cline, imo.) Anyhow, even tonight, when she really poured her guts into it, I still think the song didn't work for her. I expected her to be in the Top 10. She was my favorite girl, also. I'm kind of shocked, actually.

I wondered why when Scott was safe, the person next to him didn't give him a hug, until I realized it was Typhoid Megan. Nobody huggin' Megan tonight.

By the way, did you notice? Three of the four judges' picks made it into the Top 10. And I still think they're the three weakest and/or least interesting performers. BTW, why do you think Anoop was so high in the DialIdol results, missaddicted?
Like you, I thought his performance was inferior to Kris's. Of course, Anoop sang a far more famous and popular song, which I think always helps with the votes. But the performances were similar. Anoop was good, but Kris was great. Yet Kris was at #5, I think. Out of 11, that's impressive, but Anoop was #2.
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missaddicted
#105
My brain totally agrees with you ross and I do hope that next week he does something a little less polarizing (while keeping his uniqueness), because I don't want him to go anywhere before a long while!

I'm all about Kris and Adam right now. Danny has been left in the dust way behind. Motown week next week? Once again, I'm not really excited by the theme, but what can you do.

Have you been watching the Idolatry videos on the EW website? Those from last week were hilarious.

Thanks for the picture of your man Simon (or not!). I pretty much really dislike Simon. Contrary to Zack on CI, who would probably be considered as the "mean" judge, Simon just looks like he would rather be anywhere but there. Zack at least seems to care about the contestants.
 
ross 1
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I don't love Simon, he's not really my man at all! But I find myself agreeing with him a good deal of the time. I think it's funny how he seems smart next to that panel. I mean, who wouldn't? I don't really know how much the concept and show are his, I think quite a lot, so I think he deliberately picked these people to make himself look better!

I usually love Zack (except at the start of last season, when he seemed to be phoning it in a bit). He seems to care more about the contestants and the show than anyone. Last season I got annoyed with Sass the most. Those generic, catch-all comments of hers were so strange. If someone sang "Love To Love You, Baby," her comment would be something like: "That was really nice, and guess what? I love to love you, Mitch." Then there would be a silence while everyone waited for her to say more, and there was no more.

Next week, Motown. Funny how they've chosen two genres so far that would be great for r & b singers (MJ, Motown), and this year there aren't a lot of real r & b singers.
 
missaddicted
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By the way, did you notice? Three of the four judges' picks made it into the Top 10. And I still think they're the three weakest and/or least interesting performers. BTW, why do you think Anoop was so high in the DialIdol results, missaddicted?

I think Anoop comes across as really likeable for a lot of people. Also, he probably received a lot of "pity" votes, since the show hasn't been treating him that well. I don't really get it either. He was good, but I don't really care about him. His voice sounds a bit boring to me. Really I don't know. Do you have any more guesses?

The thing that surprised me also from Dialidol was that Danny was still leading with a comfortable margin, even though he wasn't that great on Tuesday (in my opinion of course). Maybe the choice of song was a hit for a lot of people even if it wasn't the case for me at all. I don't think he comes across as really likeable either. Even Adam is more likeable than him and he's supposed to be the "bad guy".

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I don't love Simon, he's not really my man at all! But I find myself agreeing with him a good deal of the time. I think it's funny how he seems smart next to that panel. I mean, who wouldn't? I don't really know how much the concept and show are his, I think quite a lot, so I think he deliberately picked these people to make himself look better!

Ha! Maybe! I think Kara is probably a smart woman, but she doesn't really comes across as such on the show. Randy just has the most horrible vocabulary. And while Paula seems to be more on her game this year than last year, she still has trouble making coherent sentences. As I said a while ago, I really dislike these judges. Especially Simon. Yes, he makes sense most of the time, but he just doesn't seem to care and I hate that. And I'm still angry with him because he was so unfair to David Cook last year on the final performance show and I still haven't recovered I guess!

Anyway, I think this week, it's clear that he was sending a message to Adam: "we like you, you bring some drama, we don't want you to leave yet, so don't do that ever again!!". Kinda like the CI judges did with Oliver (especially Jake and Zack) after his horrible top 24 performance! Adam seems like a smart man, so I think he probably got the message and will adjust his performance next week. I just don't want him to start trying to "fit in" and not be too different just for the sake of playing the game. I mean, I want him to play the game to a certain extent, but not too much I guess. And I feel that AI is so much more about "playing the game" than CI and David Cook became a master player of the game last year, especially after some comments that Simon gave him. But he still managed to do so while staying himself and doing music that he liked. Adam might be a little more excentric than David though!

Can't wait to see David's performance on Idol on April 1st! He recorded it last night, since he's on tour, and supposedly it was great.

I can't get Ring of Fire out of my head! I've been listening to it a lot since yesterday, lol!
 
SleepinIn
#108
Thanks for the links Ross. I watched Kris first since you both really liked him, and you're right. He was that good. He came across as a musician, and not as an Idol contestant, and I say that lovingly. That was a fully realized performance.

Danny's vocals were good, he's not a bad singer but I find myself bored by the performance. I know that he can sing well, but everything sounds the same to me. Maybe it's the genre or his type of singing, but I find myself wanting to fast forward through it.

Matt is somewhat the same he can sing and perform, and although I like him better than Danny I don't find myself caring so much about him. He has to differentiate himself from the pack. Maybe that will come in the coming weeks.

Allison has a really strong voice and her performance was really strong. This genre is not my favourite so it's not a great song choice for me personally but I think country music fans would really like it. She has a lot of potential.

Lil Rounds did give Country a try. But you're right she didn't seem to have any energy, she could have sang that song with a lot more omph. Her voice was good though.
 
SleepinIn
#109
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Anyway, I think this week, it's clear that he was sending a message to Adam: "we like you, you bring some drama, we don't want you to leave yet, so don't do that ever again!!". Kinda like the CI judges did with Oliver (especially Jake and Zack) after his horrible top 24 performance!

Good point. You might be right about this one. Adam's performance was polarizing and it might have been a little push for him to remember that he is on the Idol stage. And while making yourself stand out and be unique is a good thing, scary hoodies and Crazy ring of fire are going to scare a portion of your audience that are potential voters. I have to add that I liked both the scary hoodie and Crazy Ring of Fire quite a lot.

and Lil/Little cracked me up. lol
 
ross 1
#110
Hi, SleepinIn, glad you're here! The Little/Lil thing: Simon was so blatantly "abusive" to Lil, who he's said is his favorite girl, that I thought he was reverse pimping (is that the term?). Anyhow, I thought he was trying to get her some sympathy votes.

Did you guys happen to see the interview on his American Nobody show that Jon Peter Lewis did with Alex Wagner-Trugman? (mj linked to it.) If anybody needs a link I'll try to find it. I especially liked the song JPT composed for Alex.

Top 13 Secret talents

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YukonJack
#111
Although I had a pretty good idea, I looked up the meaning and definition of the word "IDOL":

"id'ol, n. [Ft. idole, L. idolum, < [Gr.eidolon, an image, form, phantom, idol, <eidos,form] An image, representation, or symbol of deiety made of consecrated asan object of worship, esp. among pagans; a false or pagan god; fig. an object ofexcessive attachment, admiration, or infatuation. A fallacy or misconception."

Saying anything more would reflect poorly on the addicts of these two shows, whose judges and viewers could not recognize a genuine talent if it hit them in the ears.
 
SleepinIn
#112
Addict. Um maybe. Can't deny it really. Moreso the Canadian version where I have a greater affinity to the music choices.

I don't worship the singers (or "Idols") they aren't faultless beings of perfection but I can't deny that they have talent either. Their talent is usually raw, and untested but it does exist. These usually inexperienced singers have the potential to produce amazing music. It might never happen but the potential exists and I think that's something that is worth nurturing.

Are they sell outs because they go on American Idol and make their debut on tv? I don't think so. Why is singing on TV any less worthy than singing in a bar? Or putting out an Indie CD? It's a different route, and not all of them will make anything of it. They may only have a brief time in the spotlight, but even that will make it easier for them to make a career out of music if that's what they want to do with their life.

And if the only thing I get out of either Idol show is the chance to hear Joel Plaskett's music being sung by a fan on National Tv. Then I will consider myself happy with the outcome.
 
YukonJack
#113
Being a lover of opera, I could not care less about anything what goes on either if the "Idol" shows. Under duress I could sit through either of them with well-functioning ear-plugs.

However, there is a show on BRAVO (which could have a better title) called "Bathroom Divas". People competing here have true talent, kind of like diamond in the rough.

But, I realize, it's different strokes for different folks.
 
missaddicted
#114
WORD to your last post SleepinIn! Well said.

Am I an Idol addict? Yes. I can't deny it. But it's not my only way to discover music either. I just consider it as another way to try and find interesting artists that I would buy music from. Just as if I was listening to the radio, watching other entertainment shows or getting suggestions from friends and familly. For sure, the idea of a show like this is to get the viewers kind of attached to a contestant or two, enough to vote for them anyway.

Are these shows perfect? No, that's for sure. So I respect your opinion YukonJack, but it's hard to judge something that you just don't want to pay attention to.

OK, here is the recap I was coming here to post!

I found myself agreeing a lot with Kara tonight. Was she more insightful than usual or am I just going nuts?

Matt: It was pretty good. Are they pimping him to be the Stealth CO? Because if they are, I find this very unexciting. I have to be honest here: I find the guy supremely boring. He might be a fine musician, but on a show like this, I have trouble finding anything interesting about this guy. His voice is a bit boring to me. I don't find him charming or captivating to watch. His looks are especially boring. I mean, tonight he was dressed like the university professors that I see everyday. And I don't find him attractive at all. I know it's not the point of the show, but it does distract me. Anyway, he still has some potential to wow me, but if they want this guy as the winner, I won't be interested.

Kris: Again in the first half of the show? I'm starting to get mad now! He better be there next week so they can give him the pimp spot! And if he's not there next week, I'll be very very angry. I adore the tone of his voice and I really like what he did with the song. I like that Kara pointed out that he knew what to do with a song to make it work for himself and I really appreciate that he's able to do that. His enthusiam was contagious once again. I agreed and disagreed with Simon about his confidence. Yes, maybe he could show more, but his unassuming personality is part of his charm, for me at least. Hang on Kris!

Scott: Zzzzzzz. The only thing I have to say is that I saw that they showed him flubbing his lyrics in the recap.

Megan: When she sang in front of Smokey, I thought it had potential. Then, the performance happened...

Anoop: His vocals were nice, even if the falsetto was a bit weak. It was a bit boring though. Anyway, I like him a bit, but I don't see myself buying his music at all, his voice doesn't appeal to me enough for that.

Michael: Really, I don't have anything to say. It wasn't horrible, but it wasn't good either. Really cheesy and forced.

Lil: She's ok I guess, but I don't really see her appeal. I believe even Syesha was better last year. She sang pretty good in some parts, then got really shouty in others. How many chances are the judges going to give her? I guess she has some appeal to some people though, because she seems pretty popular, even though she hasn't had a standout performance yet (IMO of course).

Adam: Did he get Simon's message or what? It was so beautiful. When he sings like this, my heart melts a little. Thank you for that Adam. And thank you for being exciting in a season that's a bit boring right now.

Danny: I think he should stick to uptempo numbers from now on. I like him more when he does that. Anyway, I'm pretty much off the love train right now and probably until the end. I like his voice most of the time. The rest? Not so much. Did he just decide not to follow the mentor's advice?

Allison This was my favorite performance from her. She seemed a bit more emotionally connected, which was my biggest problem with her, and she had great moments in the song. I still have some issues with her phrasing and her pronunciation, but she totally deserved the pimp spot tonight.

Favorites: Kris and Adam, in no particular order, with Allison coming in third.
Going home: Michael or Scott. I'm kinda hoping it'll be Scott. I can't take any more from him, I'm done.
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ross 1
#115
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Are they sell outs because they go on American Idol and make their debut on tv? I don't think so. Why is singing on TV any less worthy than singing in a bar? Or putting out an Indie CD?

Appearing on TV is simply appearing before an audience. What artist would refuse to sing before an audience in a theatre? TV just magnifies that audience.

I always feel like questioning the whole concept of "selling out." I don't know when it started. A singer is either in the music business (a branch of show business), or not. If not, he/she is an amateur. If you're in the business, a professional, you may as well get your talent noticed and your music heard. However you can.

Since classical music or concert music was brought up, take a look at that. Is a concert pianist who aspires to play before huge audiences with the great orchestras, and aspires to a recording contract with a major label, considered a sell out? No way. So why is a pop musician who aspires to similar things a sell out?

End rant. lol

Tonight's show was pretty painful, overall. I don't know whether it was the Motown theme, or the Top 10 -- or the judges? -- or maybe I'm just having a bad day. But I was less than thrilled.

Okay: Matt. He was better than usual. I think for me his problem is he has one of those voices that comes very close to being very good, but is just not quite as good as it should be. That's pretty critical, I know. I don't know how else to put it. He seems nice. He's not going anywhere tomorrow.

Kris. What's with his always performing within the first half hour? I don't get that. Someone enlighten me. You alerted me to this, originally, missaddicted. What do you make of it?

I smiled all the way through the preformance. I just totally love listening to this guy, plus I'm beginning to think he's an awesome person, as well. I don't know what Simon is trying to say to him, except to get rid of the very thing that makes him so likable. Kris, just keep being yourself, dude.

He did such great things with that song. He's more or less pitch perfect all the time. He's a fun performer, too. Great job.

Scott. I don't know what he's thinking. That was just not good. He's a sweet guy, I love him, but I think he should go soon. But...

Megan should go first. Not that she will. She reminds me of the Saturday Night Live sketch, The Thing That Wouldn't Leave.

Anoop. His voice is not warm, or thrilling, or interesting, or beautiful. It's good, maybe sometimes very good, that's it. I thought that was pretty, in spots, mostly boring. Sincere, anyway. His makeover is good, I have to say. Nice haircut.

Michael. I would rather see Megan go, since I loathe her performances, but he may be the one to go. He wasn't good.

Lil. I didn't agree with the judges that she looked good (her hair is short, so I guess that was a wig?). I feel a bit bad for her because this show is twisting her beyond all recognition. I didn't really love her at the start, but now I long for the original Lil. She just isn't a versatile performer who can succeed at the various theme nights. As herself, singing her favorite songs, I'm sure she's a solid artist. But going beyond that doesn't seem to work. She looks confused.

Adam. I knew he would pull it back this week. I didn't expect him to pull his bangs back, also. And to look like Kurt Russell (KR as Elvis, really).

I don't know. I felt something was missing. Besides nail polish. It was a very professional job, a good presentation. Maybe I'm not that crazy about the voice, sometimes. I don't really like tenors, usually. I thought it was very good but I didn't get the raving and hosannahs.

Danny. Danny is becoming sort of predictable. His voice is really great, though it sounded a bit ragged to me for the second week in a row. I like listening to him but watching him is a little tough. I don't get the hate, though; he seems like a nice guy. I think he lost ground this week.

Allison. Aka, SixteenyearoldAllison. In the pimp spot. And do ya think she was pimped enough by the judges? She's good, as well as being cute and charming, but I find myself a bit indifferent. I thought she was better last week.

Who's leaving tomorrow?
 
ross 1
#116
A few random observations...

To the posters on the TWoP AI thread who think jokes at a blind guy's expense are hilarious: I feel sorry for you. Grow up soon.

I've never been a big fan of Michael Sarver's performances, but I've found him to be a good guy all the way through the competition, and also when eliminated, and in the post-elimination interviews. jmho.

After Megan's horror show on Wednesday, she wasn't even in the bottom three? Either DialIdol is way off, or the vote count is a joke, because I think DI had her either at the bottom or second to bottom (VFTW notwithstanding). Which is more believable. Scott and Michael were fair to poor. Matt was mediocre. But Megan was indeed a train wreck, as Randy said. (Up to now I haven't found it necessary to quote any of Randy's observations, and besides, I don't understand them. Dude, that was so not sweet, dog; so not hip, baby.)

I really didn't watch Joss/Smokey; I recorded the show because I was at work, and I skipped some of the filler. Watched Stevie Wonder, though. He's past his prime, vocally, but his songs are still awesome. Always loved him. Enjoyed Kris enjoying Stevie. I love it how he and a few others seem to be having the times of their lives right now, living their dreams. I love that about this show. Sorry if that's lame.

I was thinking last night how much I detest the "save," yet if it's used to save someone I like, I'll be a total hypocrite and will like the save very, very much.

One of the more interesting differences in the AI experience vs the CI experience is, for me, the fact that the AI Top 10, no matter the order they're eliminated, are all going on a big, national tour -- a huge reward for them. On CI, at this same point in the season, it's much more suspenseful, in a way, because they are all still trying for a shot at the Top 3 Tour.
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missaddicted
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I've never been a big fan of Michael Sarver's performances, but I've found him to be a good guy all the way through the competition, and also when eliminated, and in the post-elimination interviews. jmho.

Yes, he was very classy. I'm not sad that he was eliminated and haven't read or watched his post-elimination interviews, but he did seem like a very good guy on the show.

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After Megan's horror show on Wednesday, she wasn't even in the bottom three? Either DialIdol is way off (and VFTW is triumphant), or the vote count is a joke, because I think DI had her either at the bottom or second to bottom. Which is more believable. Scott and Michael were poor. Matt was mediocre. But Megan was indeed a train wreck, as Randy said.

Yes, but supposedly, it's better to be horrible than mediocre. At least, you're not forgettable. Also, she's a pretty girl and one of the only three girls left, so I guess it could have played a role. Kristy Lee left at top 7 last year, when she should have left way earlier than that, but she did have the "pretty girl" thing going for her.

As for Matt in the bottom three, I'm not sure I believe it either. Dialidol didn't predict him at all to be in the bottom 3 at all. Maybe they thought that putting him there would motivate his fanbase like it did for Allison this week. But Allison also had the pimp spot this week and a good performance (and again, one of the only three girls). There's no way Matt is going to have the pimp spot again next week. Honestly, I don't care for him at all, but I was a bit surprised to see he was in the bottom 3. I wouldn't care if he left earlier than the judges want him to though. Well, I would probably want for Megan and Scott to leave before him. It seems there's a bit of Matt vs. Kris thing going on, and as you know ross, my vote goes to Kris for sure between the two!

The show was a mess last night. I came home late and I seriously fast-forwarded through most of it. The group number was downright embarrassing for the contestants. Ruben Studdard is boring as hell. I couldn't get through Joss Stone and Smokey (two weeks in a row of an "old dude" singing a love song with a young woman, that's a bit disturbing). And I was totally underwhelmed by Stevie Wonder, he sounded very rough. The only thing I liked to watch during his medley were the contestants dancing. Kris was on fire!

ross, have you listened to Kris' original songs? And have you been watching the Idolatry videos on the EW site? "Put the Go in Gokey!" Hee!

I bought Kris' and Adam's songs from iTunes (as usual!) and even though their vocals are great, I hate the fact that they used the music from the original recordings as the backing track. I would've loved to hear the versions they did on the show. I guess they're trying to cut on the budget. Cheaper to use already recorded music I guess.

There is still a poll on TV guide's website and Adam is dominating it with 45% of the 2700 voters choosing him as their favorite. Then Danny is at 17%, Allison at 14%, Matt at 9% and Kris at 6%. The others have even smaller numbers. I have to admit that as much as I love Kris, I'm so glad that Adam (whom I totally love right now, I have to be honest) is on the show, because otherwise it would be an incredibly boring season. I hope he can keep up the surprising and original performances because right now, I think the competition is his to lose. Not that I'm convinced that he's going to win just yet, but I don't really see who's going to be able to give him a run for his money.

So, next week's theme is Top downloads, whatever that means. As long as it gives them the chance to sing something from this decade! And I hope that Kris is finally going to be able to perform latter in the show, maybe in the pimp spot? Lady Gaga is going to perform on the results show. I hope she likes singing competitions because she's also going to be on Star Académie here in Québec this sunday night. I'm a bit curious about her. I love one of her songs, I hate another, and she couldn't be any more popular here right now.

Oh, and David Cook is going to be there. Well, his already recorded performance is going to be aired. Can't wait!
 
ross 1
#118
I hit some button by mistake and posted my reply when I was only halway through with it. I had to go back and edit it. Sorry if I slightly changed some parts you quoted, missaddicted.

I suppose you're right about Megan. Somehow I just knew she would survive and survive. The judges must have known this, too. I can't believe she was the judges' wild card choice because they thought she was a brilliant singer . Or even "current," no matter what they said. I think it's a question of knowing what will make an interesting, controversial season and keep people watching the show. They have that down to a science by now. And she fit that bill, imho.

Unlike a lot of people I find Matt's appearance in the bottom three believable. I was really, really surprised he was there, because, so far this season, whom the judges love, the voters vote for. And, like most other people, I thought it would be Megan, Michael, and Scott in the bottom three. But I also thought he deserved it, since, imho, most of his performances have been big let downs, considering the judges' confidence in his talents.

I believe Ryan did say those three guys were the bottom three vote getters, and also said Michael and Matt were the lowest vote-getters. I don't know how much the show manipulates the actual vote tallies, of course.

I've listened to three of Kris's original songs. There are three on YouTube, that I could find, as of a few days ago. I wasn't wild about them; the one with "moon" in the title was the one I liked most.

Adam...I'm really waiting to see what he's going to do. It's not that I don't like him, and it's not as if I don't know he's talented. I'm just wondering at this point if he's the most deserving of a recording contract of all of them. It seems there are other things he's more suited to. At least, there are a lot of other things he can do.

Here he is in Brigadoon a few years ago (a beautiful vocal, recorded live onstage).

Adam singing in Brigadoon in Texas 2004

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He's been singing professionally for a long time, and I think he will go on doing so whether he gets that contract or not. For others, it's their shot at a professional career, and I hate to see someone who perhaps doesn't really need a recording contract beat someone to it who does need it, because it's their one chance to do what they truly want to do, and really love.

Kris has been working hard to, I think, be a recording artist and a concert artist, and it seems that's more or less what this show is supposed to be in the market for. Just saying.

Danny can't really perform, he has no real stage experience, he's a choir director, or whatever. But he has a great voice that would sound wonderful on a recording.
This is probably his only chance at a big time career. Etc.

I wish David Cook were performing live. Just his appearance there a year after winning would be sure to be the event of the night. The audience would go nuts.
(I enjoy stuff like that a lot.)
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missaddicted
#119
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I wish David Cook were performing live. Just his appearance there a year after winning would be sure to be the event of the night. The audience would go nuts. (I enjoy stuff like that a lot.)

Well, he did perform live. And he was given his platinum award for his CD by Ryan, which he proceeded to give to his mom (I know all that because of the EW's On the Scene reports). Just like Ruben's performance was taped on Wednesday night instead of during the live show last night.

I get what you're saying about Adam, but I do believe what he wants the most is a recording contract (vs. doing more musical theater for example). He'll probably be able to continue his career in showbusiness after Idol, but at the same time, the winners always have a better chance of making it "big" compared to the runners-up (Jennifer Hudson and Chris Daughtry of course could be considered as exceptions... and Jacob Hoggard if we include CI in that mix). So, I wouldn't say that Adam doesn't need to win to have a recording contract. But I agree that somebody likes Kris almost needs to win (or at least go very far) to even have a chance to get a recording contract, moreso than Adam anyway.

In the end, I can't really judge based on this though (who really deserves it or not). Idol, when I have a favorite (or two this year, I'm lucky!), becomes a totally irrational experience and I just want my favorite to win, whether he really needs it or not! Heh!

And yes, the Brigadoon vocals are amazing. I think my favorite though is "Is Anybody Listening" from the Ten Commandements. Blows me away everytime. Adam definitely has the most eclectic collection of pre-Idol videos I have ever seen (and he has a lot of them!): musical theater videos, including Wicked, the simple Upright Cabaret performances, the Art4Life amazing version of Gnarls Barley's Crazy, the way out there videos from the Zodiac Show, his original dance songs and videos of him singing in Hebrew.

Ha, I can't believe I wrote this guy off pretty much at his audition and especially in Hollywood, where I thought I wouldn't like him ever. Look at me now!
 
ross 1
#120
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In the end, I can't really judge based on this though (who really deserves it or not). Idol, when I have a favorite (or two this year, I'm lucky!), becomes a totally irrational experience and I just want my favorite to win, whether he really needs it or not! Heh!

You're right! I'm pretty much the same way. The winner should be the person who's best. Who I think is best.

A few people on other forums have suggested Kris may be too subtle a performer to rally the masses (despite the general consensus that he's pretty), and it seems a lot of people find him "boring." It's kind of surprising how opinions of him vary widely from "the best singer I've ever seen on AI" all the way to "I fast forward through his performances, he does nothing for me." The people who do like him seem to really "get" him, the way we do. For this reason I think he's building a good (if not a huge) fan base. I hope this means that whatever happens to him on the show, he will have a shot at a career after it's over.

But I can't picture him winning. Not with all those other male divas hogging the spotlight. lol

Adam does have a huge amount of video/audio out there. I like some of it, dislike some of it (I really hate Pop Goes the Camera, for ex.). I'm also amazed at the number of pictures he seems to have posed for. In boy clothes, girl clothes, emo clothes, vampire clothes; in make up, out of make up, painted green, painted purple. He's different.

I'm not sure why they've decided to not only pre-record -- this season, but also to tape them in advance (like last week's, apparently). I suspect the idea to tape them has something to do with Scott's vision impairment. (They should have them all sing sitting on stools or standing in place. The choreography is hardly necessary -- they're singers, not dancers.) As for the pre-recording/lip-synching, I don't see any reason for it, and I don't like it at all.
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