Humans decended from dinosaurs.

wired
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then the big bang theory, what is thought to be the creation of the universe, where energy was converted into mass and which indicates that the universe is still expanding is what exactly in relation to this "living being"?
 
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then the big bang theory, what is thought to be the creation of the universe, where energy was converted into mass and which indicates that the universe is still expanding is what exactly in relation to this "living being"?

A brain fart? We are only messing with theories here because it is impossible to know any of this stuff for sure. I thought I would throw out something not too many people have heard before because the creationists vs evolutionists debate is getting really stale.
 
JLM
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I'm not sure that ALL humans have descended from dinosaurs.
 
petros
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In isolation, an atomic structure of a rock and a physical body are indistinguishable. In other words, looking at either one would not indicate if it came from a living being or an inert object.

Rocks are very specific and the structures unique.
 
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I'm not sure that ALL humans have descended from dinosaurs.

Actually, if you want to get technical, we descended from amoebas.
 
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Actually, if you want to get technical, we descended from amoebas.

I was thinking some stopped at the dinosaur stage (oops maybe I should speak for myself)
 
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If the Universe was a living being, its vastness would make it impossible for us to determine.

Quite apart from the obvious question of how you can possibly know that, that means it can't have any impact on us. If a living universe isn't detectably different from a non-living universe, the distinction doesn't matter at all and speculating about it is meaningless.
 
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Quite apart from the obvious question of how you can possibly know that, that means it can't have any impact on us. If a living universe isn't detectably different from a non-living universe, the distinction doesn't matter at all and speculating about it is meaningless.

Well most of what we think we know about life/god/universe is speculation but it is good brain exercise.
 
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We cannot limit ourselves to belive in one universe, in addition, we would not be here if we lived in a dead universe. All universes that hold life are alive.
 
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BTW, do you cry "OH DARWIN!!" when you come?


No, usually...."get on your knees and open your mouth"....or something along those lines.
 
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After listening to many of our politicians and religious leader I am willing to
concede some humans descended from dinosaurs

Quite so. I believe they are called conservatives. One can only hope that eventually they will find their own road to extinction.
 
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Quite so. I believe they are called conservatives. One can only hope that eventually they will find their own road to extinction.

That makes sense and the Liberals are descended from baboons.
 
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That makes sense and the Liberals are descended from baboons.

I believe this topic has descended into silly.

So far, what have humming beings come up with regarding our rise to the top of (at least in our own minds) food chain/evolutionary ladder? 1. Some invisible man created it all because he was bored, 2. Darwin's concept of evolution, 3. A quantum physics approach that says There is no matter just energy, so physical reality is just a hologram, 4. Aliens genetically modified early humanoids with their own DNA to create a hybrid human. And then there is 5. my little theory born of an early morning brain fart.

Beam me up Scotty, there is no intelligent life on this planet!
 
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Beam me up Scotty, there is no intelligent life on this planet!

Do most humans even recognize that other forms of life are extremely intelligent? Would a hypothetical visiting alien species think we were closer to them in intelligence, or closer to the level of the other beasts which roam this planet? We are as smart as we need to be, as far as intellectual capacity goes, though some people seem to squander that gift.
 
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Quite so. I believe they are called conservatives. One can only hope that eventually they will find their own road to extinction.

While everyone else may have came from primeval ooze. I came from Velociraptor myself thank you.

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I believe this topic has descended into silly.

So far, what have humming beings come up with regarding our rise to the top of (at least in our own minds) food chain/evolutionary ladder? 1. Some invisible man created it all because he was bored, 2. Darwin's concept of evolution, 3. A quantum physics approach that says There is no matter just energy, so physical reality is just a hologram, 4. Aliens genetically modified early humanoids with their own DNA to create a hybrid human. And then there is 5. my little theory born of an early morning brain fart.

Beam me up Scotty, there is no intelligent life on this planet!

Silly subject.
 
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While everyone else may have came from primeval ooze. I came from Velociraptor myself thank you.


Silly subject.

I'd say.
 
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Reaal Silly subject
 
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While everyone else may have came from primeval ooze. I came from Velociraptor myself thank you.


Silly subject.

Is it any sillier than politics or professional wrestling? Does creationism or evolution make any more sense?
 
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Is it any sillier than politics or professional wrestling? Does creationism or evolution make any more sense?

Evolution makes sense, and could probably contribute something to an explanation of certain aspects of politics and professional wrestling. Creationism is just wacko.
 
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Evolution makes sense, and could probably contribute something to an explanation of certain aspects of politics and professional wrestling. Creationism is just wacko.

Evolution does make sense, but from my perspective, is too narrowly focused. Creationist are blinded by dogma and beliefs in fairy tales. Although I believe that there might have been some intelligent consciousness behind the big bang (somebody got their rocks off in a really big way!) I doubt that such an intelligence would be bothered by such an insignificant piece of dust as our planet. It is rather ironic that those who think there is no other intelligent life in the Universe, that we are somehow god's crowning glory of creation, seem to lack the ability for critical thought.
 
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Evolution does make sense, but from my perspective, is too narrowly focused.

It's probably the most broadly applicable theory we have. Too narrowly focused on what, what's it not considering that it should?
 
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It's probably the most broadly applicable theory we have. Too narrowly focused on what, what's it not considering that it should?

Again, from my perspective, it is to narrowly focused on purely physical evidence.

Today, quantum science is beginning to bridge the gap between orthodox science and the ancient mystics view of things. I believe, in the not too distant future, the combo of the two will show a more complete picture. Many of the ancient writers were limited by language and perception to accurately portray what they were experiencing or observing so that what we read today sounds like mysticism and religious mumbo jumbo. But if we look at it as metaphor and allegory, we see scientific information couched in primitive language. I think when we open our minds up and stop looking at the ancients as primitive we might find that they were a lot smarter than we have been giving them credit for.
 
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Today, quantum science is beginning to bridge the gap between orthodox science and the ancient mystics view of things.

Only in the minds of modern mystics. Sounds like you've been taking seriously people like Deepak Chopra, Fritjof Capra and Gary Zukav, and stuff like the "What the Bleep Do We Know" movie. Google "quantum quackery" and read the first half a dozen returns. The complexity and counter-intuitive nature of quantum theory lend themselves to all kinds of bizarre misinterpretations, but the science is fully consistent with an objective physical reality that exists independently of and is not influenced by any mind's perceptions and desires.
 
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Only in the minds of modern mystics. Sounds like you've been taking seriously people like Deepak Chopra, Fritjof Capra and Gary Zukav, and stuff like the "What the Bleep Do We Know" movie. Google "quantum quackery" and read the first half a dozen returns. The complexity and counter-intuitive nature of quantum theory lend themselves to all kinds of bizarre misinterpretations, but the science is fully consistent with an objective physical reality that exists independently of and is not influenced by any mind's perceptions and desires.

No, I learned first hand from old indigenous spiritual elders and shaman. I don't expect you to understand that or acknowledge the validity of my experiences with them. I am just stating my view. I realize you have yours and although I disagree with it I would not denigrate your beliefs. I happen to know that human beliefs and disposition do influence outcomes, but I don't expect anybody else to.
 
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I certainly wouldn't deny the validity of your experiences, obviously some significant things happened to you, and without knowing a whole lot more about what they were there's not much I can say about them. Recognize, however, that there were two things going on: things were happening to you, and you were interpreting them in a particular way. And now a third thing has happened: you're remembering them in a particular way long after the events, and memory is subject to editing and revision and reconstruction. If from that interpretation and memory you conclude that quantum theory is bridging the gap between orthodox science and a mystic's view of things, then I would argue that your interpretation is not correct and probably your memory isn't either, because quantum theory is not doing that. I'd immediately agree that human beliefs and dispositions influence outcomes, but that's because they affect how humans behave, not because there's some link between human consciousness and the behaviour of things at the quantum scale.
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That makes sense and the Liberals are descended from baboons.


That would make liberals considerably more intelligent than conservatives would it not?
 
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That would make liberals considerably more intelligent than conservatives would it not?

yeah, I guess one's brain would consist of one molecule while the others would consist of a quarter of a molecule. Maybe I'll substitute rhinocerus for baboon.
 
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Is it any sillier than politics or professional wrestling? Does creationism or evolution make any more sense?

What? You don't take professional wrestling serious? Evolution makes a lot of sense.
 
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