Humans decended from dinosaurs.

Cliffy

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It is a well accepted fact that the base of the human brain is reptilian.

Millions of years ago a great cosmic cataclysm wiped the dinosaurs from the Earth. Over 90% of all life forms perished. The climate and typography of the planet was radically changed. Over time a whole new set of life forms populated the planet that were more suited to the new environmental conditions. After a few more great cataclysmic events happened, and another change in the population of the planet, humans appeared on the horizon. Where did they come from?

The dinosaurs were the dominant species of their era, man is the dominant species of his era. Coincidence or design?

Here is where it becomes a little esoteric. The biosphere of the Earth is a mass of living material consisting of billions of species from single cell organisms to complex mammals, all living in a giant web of interconnected and interdependent life. The Earth is the host of this biosphere, this living mantle of life. Is this also by design or fluke? I believe the Earth itself is the living being - the Mother of all life on it. Like our own bodies are host to a great variety of parasites, bacteria all living in symbiotic relation to each other, the Earth is a macrocosm of similar relationships of being living in symbiotic relationships. The Earth is the source of the energy/life force that allows life to exist and flourish.

After the great cataclysms of the past when most of living thing perished and the medium for life to exist, the biosphere, had changed, life renewed itself with a whole new paradigm of life forms suitable to the changed conditions. By looking at life as a continuum and integrated whole, we see that life itself is the one thing that does not perish, that it never has had an end or beginning, at least not that we could ever ascertain. So, it is the biosphere that has evolved to adjust to the changes of the environment that has been altered by cosmic forces. Every paradigm has had a dominant species, each evolving from the ashes, like a Phoenix bird, reinventing itself to accommodate the new conditions. With each cataclysmic event and rebirth, the brain evolved a new lobe, adding to its complexity and usefulness.

Some might call this a spiritual evolution but I think it has more to do with something as simple as the life force inherent in the Earth evolving to suit the changing cosmology of the universe. Hell, the Universe itself may be a living being with our solar system being just one atomic structure within its "body".

There it is in a nut shell. Obviously it is much more complicated than that, but it is a beginning for discussion.
 

Dexter Sinister

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The dominant creatures of all eras, in terms of total biomass and number of individuals, are bacteria, and they kill and consume most other creatures. Modern medicine saves some humans and our domestic animals from that, but don't kid yourself. Life on this planet did have a beginning, and it will have an end. There was a time when Earth was lifeless, and there will be a time again when Earth will be lifeless. Design versus fluke is a false dichotomy. There's no good evidence for design, all the evidence points to an absence of design. From a design standpoint life is extremely inefficient, cruel, and wasteful, and evolution is not at all a series of flukes. There's a certain ineluctable randomness at the core of it, but its major processes are quite the opposite of random. Humans do not descend from dinosaurs, though we certainly share a common ancestor with them. The modern descendants of dinosaurs are mostly birds.
 

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After listening to many of our politicians and religious leader I am willing to
concede some humans descended from dinosaurs
 

Cliffy

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After listening to many of our politicians and religious leader I am willing to
concede some humans descended from dinosaurs
Monkeys will be relieved.

Dex, I said design to draw out the creationists. To me evolution happens on more than just the obvious physical level. I don't look at the development of individual species as isolated phenomenon. Humans evolved as part of the whole, as in integrated process of life on Earth evolving, not as a separate process. That is the point. Being interdependent and interconnected with all life brings with it a certain responsibility to the whole that seems to be missing in the present view of humans as separate from other species.
 

Dexter Sinister

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Well, of course. The selection pressure that drives evolution comes from the interactions among all life forms and their environment, and it's a peculiarly human conceit to think that we're somehow not part of it.
 

ironsides

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Of course we all descended from reptilians, was there any doubt? It is either that or we a descended from space aliens who crashed here 100 years ago + or - a few.
 

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There were some rather large leaps in the evolutionary process that I attribute to alien genetic engineering: splicing their genes with our ancestors like Neanderthal and Cro Magnon Man. That would explain politicians and lawyers.
 

petros

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Well, of course. The selection pressure that drives evolution comes from the interactions among all life forms and their environment, and it's a peculiarly human conceit to think that we're somehow not part of it.
Many like the believe we evolved from apes. The fact is, we still are apes.
 

YukonJack

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"Humans decended from dinosaurs."

Based on your posts, Cliffy, and also on your general misguided view of the world, yes, you were.

Now, here I am going to give you an excellent opportunity for your usual slander: I prefer the version that I was created by The Creator. Believing that all we see is nothing but the result of random chance is the greatest leap of - pardon the expession - FAITH.
 

Cliffy

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"Humans decended from dinosaurs."

Based on your posts, Cliffy, and also on your general misguided view of the world, yes, you were.

Now, here I am going to give you an excellent opportunity for your usual slander: I prefer the version that I was created by The Creator. Believing that all we see is nothing but the result of random chance is the greatest leap of - pardon the expession - FAITH.
Like Petros said, we are apes (he is correct you know) then god must be an ape too, using the logic of your FAITH!

I have faith in Life, which, to me, is much more tangible that some invisible man in the sky. But that is not a put down of your belief, it is just what I believe.
 

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There were some rather large leaps in the evolutionary process that I attribute to alien genetic engineering: splicing their genes with our ancestors like Neanderthal and Cro Magnon Man. That would explain politicians and lawyers.
:lol::lol:
 

Dexter Sinister

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Believing that all we see is nothing but the result of random chance is the greatest leap of - pardon the expession - FAITH.
Nobody who knows anything about science believes that, it's just a straw man set up by people who don't know what they're talking about.
 

petros

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Who says it was random? Proteins like any other crystal grow all on their own no matter if you are in earth gravity of floating freely in space. Nothing random about it at all.
 

YukonJack

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What does faith have to do with reality?

He's one of those that believes in the 6000 year old earth.

petros, you did not have the courage or the intelligence to either quote me or make a direct reference, but following the thread it is plain that you were talking about me.

Now, big guy (or BIGMOUTH guy) please show me just one quote by me where I claimed that the world was 6000 years old.

I never expressed anything more than my doubts that what we see here, what and who we are, how everything in life (now there is something that you and your ilk never explained satisfactorily) works without a designer, and how it just came about helter-skelter. If your argument of an endless stream of coincidences is the only explanation you can come up with to support your theory, you can hide all you want behind code words like science, you can denigrate all you want anyone who dares to disagree with you, I will still be waiting for you to explain how come nothing simple or complicated - but designed - came to be just by natural selection.

BTW, do you cry "OH DARWIN!!" when you come?

There were some rather large leaps in the evolutionary process that I attribute to alien genetic engineering: splicing their genes with our ancestors like Neanderthal and Cro Magnon Man. That would explain politicians and lawyers.

Just wondering, Cliffy: would that not be something like intelligent design.

Final products, notwithstanding?
 

petros

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You've spouted your beliefs before.

Why does it need a designer? A designer is merely a "comfortable out" for someone who can't comprehend self assembly based on the universal physics that makse it all run no matter how smoothly time makes the chaos appear.
 

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All you guys are crackheads

If you said mammals evolved from Dinosaurs which evolved from reptiles which evolved from therapsids, i might believe you

Purgatorius - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Currently it is considered one of the only plesiadapiform mammals primitive enough to have possibly given rise to both the plesiadapiformes and the higher primates. Though its classification below the superorder Archonta remains uncertain, dental evidence and molar morphology indicate a close link with the primate order.
AND if you want to go back even furthur to the devonian era

Tiktaalik http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiktaalik
Tiktaalik (pronounced /tɪkˈtɑːlɨk/) is a genus of extinct sarcopterygian (lobe-finned) fish from the late Devonian period, with many features akin to those of tetrapods (four-legged animals).[1] It is an example from several lines of ancient sarcopterygian fish developing adaptations to the oxygen-poor shallow-water habitats of its time,[2] which led to the evolution of amphibians. Well-preserved fossils were found in 2004 on Ellesmere Island in Nunavut, Canada.
 
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