The hurricane may start as a sandstorm - Part 2

The hurricane may start as a sandstorm - Part 2

eanassir

#1Sep 10th, 2008

The hurricane may start as a sandstorm

Part 2

Stages of the hurricane Aad:

God – be glorified - said in the Quran 77: 1-6

وَالْمُرْسَلَاتِ عُرْفًا .فَالْعَاصِفَاتِ عَصْفًا . وَالنَّاشِرَاتِ نَشْرًا . فَالْفَارِقَاتِ فَرْقًا . فَالْمُلْقِيَاتِ ذِكْرًا . عُذْرًا أَوْ نُذْرًا

The explanation:
(1- [I swear] by the [winds] loosed [on the tribe of Aad, which are] well-know [to you!]
2- And that storming tempestuously!
3- And that ripped throug the land like the saw [scattering destruction!]
4- Then separated them apart [one from another!]
5- And [by that event] they [: the storms] made an admonition [to people!]
6- Whether you be [children] excused, or [adults] warned [: the punishment will involve them all.)

God – be glorified – said also in the Quran 79: 1-5

وَالنَّازِعَاتِ غَرْقًا .وَالنَّاشِطَاتِ نَشْطًا . وَالسَّابِحَاتِ سَبْحًا . فَالسَّابِقَاتِ سَبْقًا . فَالْمُدَبِّرَاتِ أَمْرًا

The explanation:
(1- [I swear] by [the winds] that plucked out [a people] immersed [in their sins, and cast them away!]
2- And that rushed with increasing speed!
3- And started swimming [through the air!]
4- And outstripped [horses and every creature on earth!]
5- And threw the am'r [: genies (or demons) and souls] on their backs!)
The interpretation:
The "pluckers" here means the severe storms [: and hurricanes] that pluck man out of his [hiding] place and throw him on the ground, causing his death.

The "immersed" means the disbelievers that are immersed or drowned in their sins. These were the tribe of Aad [near Yemen], on whom God loosed the storms and hurricanes and exterminated them.

>> ([I swear] by [the winds] that plucked out [a people] immersed [in their sins, i.e. it plucked people and cast them away causing their death!] )

This is a threatening oath, which means:
If you do not believe in Me and in My apostle, I will loose on you some storms similar to the storms that I sent on the people of Aad, and these storms exterminated them.

Then He – be glorified – started to describe those storms:
>> (And that rushed with increasing speed!): it means that stormy wind started to increase gradually until it annihilated them completely.

>> (And started swimming [through the air!] )

>> (And outstripped [- with its speed - horses, gazelles and every creature on earth!] )
[Horses may run at 38 miles per hour, and cheetah may initially run at 120 km per hour.]

>> (And threw the am'r [: genies (or demons) and souls] on their backs!)
It means: It throws the genies (demons), souls and any creature that is in its way.

[N.B. It appears from this aya that genies (or demons) are mightier than people, but in spite of this, the hurricanes cast them away, and they cannot resist such violent storms.]

And there are many other ayat in the Quran about these storms that exterminated the tribe of Aad.

eanassir
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ShintoMale

Re: The hurricane may start as a sandstorm - Part 2

Sep 12th, 2008

How Hurricanes Form and Die
Hurricanes need four conditions to form:

* low air pressure
* warm temperatures
* moist ocean air
* tropical winds (near the equator).

Hurricanes form in the tropics, over warm ocean water (over 80ºF or 27ºC) and at latitudes between 8° and 20°, Hurricanes form mostly from June through November (hurricane season). These powerful storms are fueled by the heat energy that is released when water vapor condenses (turns into liquid water -- rain).

A hurricane goes through many stages as it develops:

1. It starts as a tropical wave, a westward-moving area of low air pressure.
2. As the warm, moist air over the ocean rises in the low air pressure area, cold air from above replaces it. This produces strong gusty winds, heavy rain and thunderclouds that is called a tropical disturbance.
3. As the air pressure drops and there are sustained winds up to 38 miles per hour, it is called a tropical depression.
4. When the cyclonic winds have sustained speeds from 39 to 73 miles per hour, it is called a tropical storm (storms are given names when they begin to have winds of this speed).
5. The storm becomes a hurricane when there are sustained winds of over 73 miles per hour.

The End of a Storm:
When a hurricane travels over land or cold water, its energy source (warm water) is gone and the storm weakens, quickly dying.

darkbeaver

Re: The hurricane may start as a sandstorm - Part 2

Sep 12th, 2008

Could it be that there is a translation problem with the word hurricane. Where does the word come from anyway?

Scott Free

Re: The hurricane may start as a sandstorm - Part 2

Sep 12th, 2008

The problem is that Mohammad was a psychotic idiot that liked making sh!t up and shooting his mouth off about things he had no way knowing anything about.

darkbeaver

Re: The hurricane may start as a sandstorm - Part 2

Sep 12th, 2008

I don't know the guy so I can't really say one way or the other.

eanassir

Re: The hurricane may start as a sandstorm - Part 2

Sep 12th, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by ShintoMale

How Hurricanes Form and Die
Hurricanes need four conditions to form:

* low air pressure
* warm temperatures
* moist ocean air
* tropical winds (near the equator).

Hurricanes form in the tropics, over warm ocean water (over 80ºF or 27ºC) and at latitudes between 8° and 20°, Hurricanes form mostly from June through November (hurricane season). These powerful storms are fueled by the heat energy that is released when water vapor condenses (turns into liquid water -- rain).

A hurricane goes through many stages as it develops:

1. It starts as a tropical wave, a westward-moving area of low air pressure.
2. As the warm, moist air over the ocean rises in the low air pressure area, cold air from above replaces it. This produces strong gusty winds, heavy rain and thunderclouds that is called a tropical disturbance.
3. As the air pressure drops and there are sustained winds up to 38 miles per hour, it is called a tropical depression.
4. When the cyclonic winds have sustained speeds from 39 to 73 miles per hour, it is called a tropical storm (storms are given names when they begin to have winds of this speed).
5. The storm becomes a hurricane when there are sustained winds of over 73 miles per hour.

The End of a Storm:
When a hurricane travels over land or cold water, its energy source (warm water) is gone and the storm weakens, quickly dying.

This is correct; but the point is: is there any relation between the whirling sand wind of the desert in triggering the formation of these hurricanes; this may or may not be.
In other words: is the hot sandy wind of the desert resemble some seed for such severe storms?

Comment:

In the ayat of the Quran that I cited; there is a mentioning that these winds have some relation to scattering or mennowing effect of the wind that were set against the people of Aad.
There is also some mentioning in the interpretation of these ayat that these winds outstripped the horse in its speed (horses may run 38 miles per hour: here it may be called a "tropical storm". Of course it is not stated in the Quran as 38 miles per hour; because such expression was not recognized at that time.
Then these stormy winds ripped through the land of the disbelievers like the saw.
And it caused much destruction, and took seven nights and eight days (it may be it came on them in the morning and end at the sunset of the eighth day) until it exterminated them all.

eanassir

Re: The hurricane may start as a sandstorm - Part 2

Sep 12th, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by Scott Free

The problem is that Mohammad was a psychotic idiot that liked making sh!t up and shooting his mouth off about things he had no way knowing anything about.

I here remember what the foolish disbelievers (among Pharaoh's people) said cocerning the miracles of Moses; they mocked him until they were drowned in the Red Sea.

Therefore, don't think - because you see yourself far from the hurricanes that you are safe; God captures every man and animal by the forelock.

I saw the butcher pull the sheep by its forelock before slaughtering it, and it will be helpless in such instance.

This is in the Quran

11: 56 Hood said to his people: Aad

إِنِّي تَوَكَّلْتُ عَلَى اللّهِ رَبِّي وَرَبِّكُم مَّا مِن دَآبَّةٍ إِلاَّ هُوَ آخِذٌ بِنَاصِيَتِهَا إِنَّ رَبِّي عَلَى صِرَاطٍ مُّسْتَقِيمٍ

The explanation:
("Truly, I have relied on God, my Lord and your Lord [to preach the religion;

there is no beast [: 'mobile being'] but He does grasp it by its forelock [and has full control of it],

and surely my Lord is Straightforward [: Just, Who does not wrong anyone, in spite of being All-Mighty.]")

eanassir

Re: The hurricane may start as a sandstorm - Part 2

Sep 12th, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver

I don't know the guy so I can't really say one way or the other.

What's this uncle Dark? Everyday you have an avatar!:smile: :smile:
But beware of what you wear; see it is only some idol. See it is a statue of a man hanged on the cross,
which is contrary to the First Commandment: "Don't take for yourself a staute or a graven thing out of the earth or the heaven above or the waters below the earth, to adore them and prostrate yourself to such a thing; for I am your Lord: a Jealous God."

Scott Free

Re: The hurricane may start as a sandstorm - Part 2

Sep 12th, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver

I don't know the guy so I can't really say one way or the other.

Really? You should read his book.

eanassir

#10

Re: The hurricane may start as a sandstorm - Part 2

Sep 12th, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by Scott Free

Really? You should read his book.

Everyday, we find something interesting included in the Glorious Quran.

And it is not enough that you read this Book, but to contemplate and ponder on its revelations (:ayat); moreover you should understand its meaning, then to discern its implication.

This is in the Quran 4: 82

أَفَلاَ يَتَدَبَّرُونَ الْقُرْآنَ وَلَوْ كَانَ مِنْ عِندِ غَيْرِ اللّهِ لَوَجَدُواْ فِيهِ اخْتِلاَفًا كَثِيرًا

The explanation:
(Will they not ponder the Quran?
If it had been from [anyone] other than God, they would have found therein much variation [from the ancient heavenly books, contradicting the monotheism.] )

eanassir

#11

Re: The hurricane may start as a sandstorm - Part 2

Sep 13th, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver

Could it be that there is a translation problem with the word hurricane. Where does the word come from anyway?

[Mid-16th century. Via Spanish < Taino hurakán "god of the storm"]

1. severe storm: a severe tropical storm with torrential rain and extremely strong winds.

Hurricanes originate in areas of low pressure in equatorial regions of the Atlantic or Caribbean, and then strengthen, traveling northwest, north, or northeast.

2. high wind: a wind of above 119 km/74 mi per hour, classified as force 12 or above on the Beaufort scale

darkbeaver

#12

Re: The hurricane may start as a sandstorm - Part 2

Sep 13th, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by eanassir

What's this uncle Dark? Everyday you have an avatar!
But beware of what you wear; see it is only some idol. See it is a statue of a man hanged on the cross,
which is contrary to the First Commandment: "Don't take for yourself a staute or a graven thing out of the earth or the heaven above or the waters below the earth, to adore them and prostrate yourself to such a thing; for I am your Lord: a Jealous God."

Those in the avatar are not what they seem to be EA, have you never watched Monty Python? I have no craven images no stone idols and no connection with the myth nailed to the barn beams.The man was a construct from diverse preceeding cultures, he was a reader who familiarized himself with myth and built his character from there insinuated himself into the scene of the day made numerous mistakes ****ed up and was legally executed by and in accordance with the proper authority of the day, end of story?, no, his secret homosexual lover, Saul, and the idiot Peter conspired with ever ready early Italian mafia figures who very nearly destroyed the civilized world in thier steeped ignorance and gluttony for blood and souls and gold. Your god is jealous and mine is a disinterested gardner who dosen't care what we do as long as we stay off the lawn and keep the noise down.
Why are you so bloody worried about the afterlife? It's automatic EA, the rules are simple and eternal if you live as a good kind generous person you go instantly to paradise with no questions asked and no waiting in line, it matters not if you've heard of Jesus or Mohammad or whoever the Jews talk to and there's no real requirment to bend pray sacrifice or pay the least bit of attention to any of the fifty billion volumns of maps and plans to get to heaven. I could be wrong, if so, an all powerful forgiving singularity would slap my wrist pat my head and maybe i'd have to do some community service but in the end the old guy would have to admit that I wasn't a trouble maker and I did know how to party responsibly. I am definately on the way to heaven in fact I can't really see how I can get out of it. I hope that partially addresses your concern. Relax EA ,try to be laidback for just half of the day I'll see you in heaven and you can show me arround and what you've done in the fifty or so years since you left this mortal coil. You are going first I think.

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eanassir

#13

Re: The hurricane may start as a sandstorm - Part 2

Sep 13th, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver

Those in the avatar are not what they seem to be EA, have you never watched Monty Python?
Why are you so bloody worried about the afterlife? It's automatic EA, the rules are simple and eternal if you live as a good kind generous person you go instantly to paradise with no questions asked and no waiting in line, it matters not if you've heard of Jesus or Mohammad or whoever the Jews talk to and there's no real requirment to bend pray sacrifice or pay the least bit of attention to any of the fifty billion volumns of maps and plans to get to heaven.
I could be wrong, if so, an all powerful forgiving singularity would slap my wrist pat my head and maybe i'd have to do some community service but in the end the old guy would have to admit that I wasn't a trouble maker and I did know how to party responsibly. I am definately on the way to heaven in fact I can't really see how I can get out of it. I hope that partially addresses your concern.
Relax EA ,try to be laidback for just half of the day I'll see you in heaven and you can show me arround and what you've done in the fifty or so years since you left this mortal coil. You are going first I think.

I haven't seen this movie, DB.

It may be I am going to go first

I asked Abu abd- Allah once: "Do you long for the afterlife?" He said: "Yes, I do; I desire to go to the afterlife to meet my Lord and I hope to prosper in Paradise and I believe in God alone."

It can't be as simple as you imagine: anyhow if man is of good conduct and conscience, it may be God will guide him. God is very good; and in fact it is He that is good.

To demonstrate this, I tell you, something better than this movie: it is this tale from the Quran 18: 32-45 It is the story of two men: one of them was an associater (: associated his prophets, religious leaders, idols or others with God in the worship and service; so he worshipped and glorified them as did he worship and glorify God: making them as rivals, associates or peers together with God):

So this associater was rich: he had many sons, and much wealth; he had two gardens of fruits on both sides of a river; the river went inbetween the two gardens; among the fruit trees there were vegetables. So he was in much grace and prosperity.

He, seeing himself in this situation, denied the next world and the Judgment, and has the illusion that God loved him so that He offered to him all this grace, while in fact He was trying him to see will he be grateful and believe, or will he be ungrateful and blaspheme.

The other one was a believer: a monotheist, who glorified God alone, and made no patrons with his Lord. So here is the story:

وَاضْرِبْ لَهُم مَّثَلًا رَّجُلَيْنِ جَعَلْنَا لِأَحَدِهِمَا جَنَّتَيْنِ مِنْ أَعْنَابٍ وَحَفَفْنَاهُمَا بِنَخْلٍ وَجَعَلْنَا بَيْنَهُمَا زَرْعًا ...الخ

The explanation:
"Mention to them [Mohammed] the parable of two men [who were in Yemen]: For one of them [the associater] We assigned two gardens of grape-vines which We surrounded with date palms; in between the two We placed tillage.
Each of those [two] gardens brought forth its fruit, and failed not in the least thereof.
And We caused a river to flow in the middle of the two.

And he had fruit [ripen and ready for culling].
And he said to his comrade [the monotheist], when he was conversing with him: "I am more than you in wealth, and stronger in respect of men."
And he went into his garden, having wronged himself [because of his association]; said he: "I do not think that this will ever perish."
"Nor do I think that the Hour [of Judgment] will ever occur; and if I am indeed returned to my Lord, I shall surely find a better estate than this." [He thought God loved him and so He gave him all that grace, so in case there will be an afterlife, He will not punish him, because He loved him!]

His comrade [the monotheist] said, when he was conversing with him: "Do you deny Him Who created you from earth [: created Adam, your father from earth], and then [Adam's sons started to reproduce] from scanty [seminal] fluid, then fashioned you into a man?"
"But I do testify that God is my Lord, and I do not associate anyone with my Lord."
"If only when you entered your garden, [you had thanked God and] had said:
"How Bountiful is God! No power save from God! Don't you see that I am less than you in wealth and children [and in spite of that, I thank God and do not associate with Him anyone]?"
"It may be that my Lord will give me [something] better than your garden, and that He will send on it an unexpected calamity from heaven so it becomes like slippery sand."
"Or its water may sink deep [in the earth], so that you cannot get at it."

So all his fruit was overtaken [with ruin], and he started wringing his hands [turn over his both hands with his sorrow] for what [money] he had spent on it, while it was completely ruined, and [kept up] saying: "Would I had never associated anyone with my Lord."

And he had not any party, apart from God, to defend him, nor was he victorious [over his comrade.]

Then, in such case, the help comes only from God to the truthful; He is Best to reward [in this World] and Best for the consequence [in the Hereafter.] "

ShintoMale

#14

Re: The hurricane may start as a sandstorm - Part 2

Sep 15th, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by eanassir

This is correct; but the point is: is there any relation between the whirling sand wind of the desert in triggering the formation of these hurricanes; this may or may not be.
In other words: is the hot sandy wind of the desert resemble some seed for such severe storms?

Comment:
In the ayat of the Quran that I cited; there is a mentioning that these winds have some relation to scattering or mennowing effect of the wind that were set against the people of Aad.

There is also some mentioning in the interpretation of these ayat that these winds outstripped the horse in its speed (horses may run 38 miles per hour: here it may be called a "tropical storm". Of course it is not stated in the Quran as 38 miles per hour; because such expression was not recognized at that time.

Then these stormy winds ripped through the land of the disbelievers like the saw.

And it caused much destruction, and took seven nights and eight days (it may be it came on them in the morning and end at the sunset of the eighth day) until it exterminated them all.

dry sand winds from a desert CANNOT develop into hurricanes

eanassir

#15

Re: The hurricane may start as a sandstorm - Part 2

Sep 15th, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by ShintoMale

dry sand winds from a desert CANNOT develop into hurricanes

You may be right or may be wrong; this has been my personal idea which may be correct or it may be a mistake; just as said in a past reply. But I think most probably it is correct.

The idea came to my mind when I saw some countries like Iraq having the drought (: little rain for this year), and most of the time it is blowing dust, and there is much dust in the sky and in the air most of the time; so I said: Glory be to God! Is there any correlation between the dust of such countries as Iraq and the frequent storms of America this year too?

So I tried to make comparison between the weather in Iraq and some other countries for few days; but truly I couldn't find any correlation; may be because the distance between such countries and America is so far.

Then I saw that somebody had also the same idea, but concerning the Sahara of Africa, which may be more reasonable.

It may be the whirling dust wind on the land may lead to formation of stronger storms on the ocean, which will strengthen the storm then into hurricane which will die on the land.

Then I referred to the story of the hurricane that afflicted the people of Aad and its interpretation.

So you say: it CANNOT; you may be right; I don't insist; but why not the beginning may be on the land, then the ocean will strengthen the wind into storm then into hurricane which will ultimately die out on the land?

eanassir
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darkbeaver

#16

Re: The hurricane may start as a sandstorm - Part 2

Sep 15th, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by eanassir

I haven't seen this movie, DB.
It may be I am going to go first I asked Abu abd- Allah once: "Do you long for the afterlife?" He said: "Yes, I do; I desire to go to the afterlife to meet my Lord and I hope to prosper in Paradise and I believe in God alone."
It can't be as simple as you imagine: anyhow if man is of good conduct and conscience, it may be God will guide him. God is very good; and in fact it is He that is good.
To demonstrate this, I tell you, something better than this movie: it is this tale from the Quran 18: 32-45 It is the story of two men: one of them was an associater (: associated his prophets, religious leaders, idols or others with God in the worship and service; so he worshipped and glorified them as did he worship and glorify God: making them as rivals, associates or peers together with God):
So this associater was rich: he...
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I read once some guy said " considered arguments of fools who worship at the temples of stupidity cost nothing and are worth just that and no more" not that you are a fool or overly considered. What makes you think you know god and I don't, faith and nothing but. I don't need it I live in the palm of her hand and I don't make a move without her similar to the obediance you have with your perspective of god.
When god is tired of me she'll let me lay down beside still waters and light up a joint and die, even if I was busy at the time. I can only hope that you find some peace before you find yourself dead someday and remember my advise belatedly.
I will be in the thereafter where the grass is greener, there over the hill and arround the bend. That was a good but borrowed argument EA, it shows up early and is widely dispersed and exceedingly simple ,suitable for bulk conversion among the teeming newly conquered lands, the christian phamlets of today are still stuffed with essentially the same thing aimed at the masses of mindless burger eaters. That's not me, I only eat handmade burgers with meat I"v strangled myself. May the sun continue to illuminate your shortening steps.

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eanassir

#17

Re: The hurricane may start as a sandstorm - Part 2

Sep 16th, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver

I read once some guy said " considered arguments of fools who worship at the temples of stupidity cost nothing and are worth just that and no more" not that you are a fool or overly considered. What makes you think you know god and I don't, faith and nothing but. I don't need it I live in the palm of her hand and I don't make a move without her similar to the obediance you have with your perspective of god.
When god is tired of me she'll let me lay down beside still waters and light up a joint and die, even if I was busy at the time. I can only hope that you find some peace before you find yourself dead someday and remember my advise belatedly.
I will be in the thereafter where the grass is greener, there over the hill and arround the bend. That was a good but borrowed argument EA, it shows up early and is widely dispersed and exceedingly simple ,suitable for bulk conversion among the teeming newly conquered lands, the christian phamlets of today are still stuffed with essentially the same thing aimed at the masses of mindless burger eaters. That's not me, I only eat handmade burgers with meat I"v strangled myself. May the sun continue to illuminate your shortening steps.
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I shall not speak to you out of courtesy; because courtesy may obscure the truth.

Your words are mysterious, which indicates they are not true.

Speak clearly what is this in her palm you are?
From where have you derived your words? And on which basis have you based your belief? And which heavenly book says such a thing?

Moreover, the example of the subject of death has a deep implication; it is a challenge:

Because some Jews and others claimed they are preferred by God, and they are the "Chosen People of God" and they are the "beloved sons of God, and God is their father"
Therefore, God – be glorified – challenged them if they indeed were the beloved of God, and so He is going to reward them and will not punish them in the afterlife (or the thereafter as you called it), then they should long for death in order to go to Paradise which is certainly better than this World.
But in fact they desire for this World rather than the next afterlife; because they are sinners and associaters and deniers of the apostles of God; so they will certainly lose; therefore they desire for this World and cling to it, and run away from the remembrance of death which is inevitable fate.

This is in the Quran 62: 6-8

قُلْ يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ هَادُوا إِن زَعَمْتُمْ أَنَّكُمْ أَوْلِيَاء لِلَّهِ مِن دُونِ النَّاسِ فَتَمَنَّوُا الْمَوْتَ إِن كُنتُمْ صَادِقِينَ . وَلَا يَتَمَنَّوْنَهُ أَبَدًا بِمَا قَدَّمَتْ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَاللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ بِالظَّالِمِينَ . قُلْ إِنَّ الْمَوْتَ الَّذِي تَفِرُّونَ مِنْهُ فَإِنَّهُ مُلَاقِيكُمْ ثُمَّ تُرَدُّونَ إِلَى عَالِمِ الْغَيْبِ وَالشَّهَادَةِ فَيُنَبِّئُكُم بِمَا كُنتُمْ تَعْمَلُونَ

The explanation:
(Say [O Mohammed]: "O you of Jewry, in case you claim that you are favorite friends of God, apart from other people, then do you long for death if you are truthful [in your claim.]"

But they will never long for it [: the death], because of [the sins and the wrong] that their hands have forwarded [to the Hereafter]; God is All-Knowing about the wrong-doers [: the Jews who wrong people and plunder their rights.]

Say: "The death from which you flee will surely encounter you, then shall you be brought back to [God] Who knows that [of your works is hidden and that is open]; and then He shall inform you of what [evil works] you have done.)

Now about the burger, you should eat of the beef-burger that is slaughtered by mentioning the name of God alone on it; it means - frankly speaking - : I may eat of the meat when the butcher is a Muslim or a Jew, but I shall not eat of the meat when the butcher is a Christian unless I am certain that this Christian does not say Jesus is God or the son of God or is enthusiastic about him, but he only says that Jesus was an apostle of God, and that such a butcher does not drink alcohol. That is because they almost do not mention the name of God alone when they slaughter the animal (and many of them say " In all instances it is only some protein, whether you mention or not the name of God).

I heard from Abu abd-Allah that the slaughtering method of Jews is similar to that of Muslims.

If I know that even the Muslim or the Jew is an associater and enthusiastic or he is evildoer and does not mention the name of God when slaughtering the animal, then I shall not eat of his food including the slaughtering of animals.
This is according to the Quran 6: 121

وَلاَ تَأْكُلُواْ مِمَّا لَمْ يُذْكَرِ اسْمُ اللّهِ عَلَيْهِ وَإِنَّهُ لَفِسْقٌ ..الخ

The explanation:
(But eat not of that over which God's name has not been pronounced [at the time of slaughtering or shooting]; it is abomination.)

However, other kinds of food that do not include slaughtered animal meat, it is allowed to be eaten.

We find this in the aya 5: 5

الْيَوْمَ أُحِلَّ لَكُمُ الطَّيِّبَاتُ وَطَعَامُ الَّذِينَ أُوتُواْ الْكِتَابَ حِلٌّ لَّكُمْ وَطَعَامُكُمْ حِلُّ لَّهُمْ ..الخ

The explanation:
(Now, 'wholesome and pure' [kinds of meat] are made lawful to you [that were unlawful to Jews.]
The food of those who were given the Scripture [: Jews and Christians] is lawful to you, as is your food lawful to them…etc.)

eanassir
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darkbeaver

#18

Re: The hurricane may start as a sandstorm - Part 2

Sep 16th, 2008

Of course I will give this post of yours my immeadiate attention as always is my way. I am printing it off and will study it closely to discover if you have indeed insulted me.

"Your words are mysterious, which indicates they are not true. "
I have read all of this sentence all ready and it 's incorrect. More later after I'v had my coffee and cannibis which I am allowed to smoke.
Speak clearly what is this in her palm you are? Clay EA I am nothing more than clay in her palm. It's an obvious truth.

Risus

#19

Re: The hurricane may start as a sandstorm - Part 2

Sep 16th, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by Scott Free

Really? You should read his book.

Couldn't be bothered wasting my time... its all BS

darkbeaver

#20

Re: The hurricane may start as a sandstorm - Part 2

Sep 16th, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by eanassir

I shall not speak to you out of courtesy; because courtesy may obscure the truth.
Your words are mysterious, which indicates they are not true.
Your words are mysterious and exotic to me but my own native courtesy and just plain good breeding would never let me come right out and cast doubt on your words directly. I mean we shouldn't just blurt out something that appears obvious,I prefer a more subtle and gently suggestive means of correction.
Speak clearly what is this in her palm you are?
From...
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rabbits

Scott Free

#21

Re: The hurricane may start as a sandstorm - Part 2

Sep 16th, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by Risus

Couldn't be bothered wasting my time... its all BS

I did read it back when I was a religionist.

It's an interesting work of art. I liked his analysis of Christians.

eanassir

#22

Re: The hurricane may start as a sandstorm - Part 2

Sep 17th, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver

Of course I will give this post of yours my immeadiate attention as always is my way. I am printing it off and will study it closely to discover if you have indeed insulted me.
"Your words are mysterious, which indicates they are not true. "

I have read all of this sentence all ready and it 's incorrect. More later after I'v had my coffee and cannibis which I am allowed to smoke.

Speak clearly what is this in her palm you are? Clay EA I am nothing more than clay in her palm. It's an obvious truth.

The mysterious words are usually wrong and almost have not a true meaning; this is it DB; it is only a matter of expression.

While the plain straightforward words are almost clear and give a true meaning.

Moreover, concerning God; He is superior to the "he" and "she"; but only in a way of holifying Him; we say He, as has He called Himself "He".

He did not agree that they call His angels as females; but they are His male servats; then what about God Himself be glorified!

This is in the Quran 53: 27-28

إِنَّ الَّذِينَ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ بِالْآخِرَةِ لَيُسَمُّونَ الْمَلَائِكَةَ تَسْمِيَةَ الْأُنثَى . وَمَا لَهُم بِهِ مِنْ عِلْمٍ إِن يَتَّبِعُونَ إِلَّا الظَّنَّ وَإِنَّ الظَّنَّ لَا يُغْنِي مِنَ الْحَقِّ شَيْئًا

The explanation:
(Those [associaters] who believe not in the Hereafter, name the angels with female names [when they claimed that the angels are females.]

But they have no [true] knowledge of this [word.] They follow but a guess, and guess can never take the place of the truth.)

Another point: Not everything is allowed as food; it can't be this, but God allowed the "wholesome and good" and forbade the "bad food" like the pig, and many other animals which He did not mention because it is evident that their meat is bad, like the dog, the cat and wild animals, and animals that eat the carcass and eat dead animals. The "wholesome and good" is like the sheep, the goat, the cow, the camel and what is similar to them of wild animals like the gazelle and the wild goat; the hen and the duck and the fish...etc

It is like His saying – be glorified – in the aya 5: 4 about the lawful hunt:

يَسْأَلُونَكَ مَاذَا أُحِلَّ لَهُمْ قُلْ أُحِلَّ لَكُمُ الطَّيِّبَاتُ وَمَا عَلَّمْتُم مِّنَ الْجَوَارِحِ مُكَلِّبِينَ تُعَلِّمُونَهُنَّ مِمَّا عَلَّمَكُمُ اللّهُ فَكُلُواْ مِمَّا أَمْسَكْنَ عَلَيْكُمْ وَاذْكُرُواْ اسْمَ اللّهِ عَلَيْهِ وَاتَّقُواْ اللّهَ إِنَّ اللّهَ سَرِيعُ الْحِسَابِ

The explanation:
(They will question you [Mohammed] what [hunt] is made lawful to them. Say: "The 'wholesome and pure' [animal-meat] is made lawful to you,
and [the hunt of] predatory birds which you train, pursuing them with hounds, that you train as God has taught you.
So eat of that which they seize according to your [thrown arrow] and pronounce God's name upon the [hunt before slaughtering it]; and ward off [God's punishment]; [for] surely, God is Swift at punishment.)

Last edited by eanassir; Sep 17th, 2008 at 09:05 AM..

DurkaDurka

#23

Re: The hurricane may start as a sandstorm - Part 2

Sep 17th, 2008

Are there any Islamic Laws that forbid the consumption of elephant skin?

eanassir

#24

Re: The hurricane may start as a sandstorm - Part 2

Sep 17th, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by Scott Free

I did read it back when I was a religionist.

It's an interesting work of art. I liked his analysis of Christians.

Not everyone that reads the Quran will understand it or discern it; and not everyone who sees the truth will follow it, eventhough it is obvious.

This is in the Quran 9 124-125

وَإِذَا مَا أُنزِلَتْ سُورَةٌ فَمِنْهُم مَّن يَقُولُ أَيُّكُمْ زَادَتْهُ هَذِهِ إِيمَانًا فَأَمَّا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ فَزَادَتْهُمْ إِيمَانًا وَهُمْ يَسْتَبْشِرُونَ . وَأَمَّا الَّذِينَ فِي قُلُوبِهِم مَّرَضٌ فَزَادَتْهُمْ رِجْسًا إِلَى رِجْسِهِمْ وَمَاتُواْ وَهُمْ كَافِرُونَ

The explanation:
(And when a soora is revealed [to Mohammed], some of them [: the hypocrites] say: "Which of you has this [soora] added more to his faith?" As regards those who believe; it does add more to their faith, and they do rejoice [in its revealing.]

Whereas those having a disease [of hypocrisy] in their hearts; it adds more [psychological] illness to their [psychological] illness, and they die [with their grief] while being unbelievers.)

eanassir
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eanassir

#25

Re: The hurricane may start as a sandstorm - Part 2

Sep 17th, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurka

Are there any Islamic Laws that forbid the consumption of elephant skin?

I don't think there is any forbidding of using the elephant or corcodile skin in industry and for the advantage of man.

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