The earthquakes that follow the total solar eclipse.

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The total solar eclipse and the consequent earthquakes​

It has been observed in the past solar eclipses that some strong earthquakes followed that eclipse, and in particular in the regions of the earth where that universe incident occurred, i.e. the umbral path or the region where the shadow of the moon was prominent and the solar eclipse was total (and the neighboring regions).​











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[I based this opinion on the many observations of the total solar eclipses and the consequent earthquakes, and according to the explanation of The_Gravity as in the book of The Universe and the Quran, by the late Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly]​

These observations indicate there is a relation between the solar eclipse: in the regions of the umbral path and the adjacent regions.
This can be explained by some variation of the sun gravity exerted on the earth, particularly in the affected regions, where the moon will impede the usual gravitational pull of the sun exerted on the earth:
The regions of the umbral path will have less gravitational force exertion, less than the other parts of the earth, and this difference between adjacent parts will cause the trembling and the quaking of the earth in the affected regions.
This will confirm that the gravity is because of the heat of the sun which is far more than the heat of the earth, and the gravity of the sun is far more than the gravity of the earth.
As can be seen here​

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The blue arrow resembles the solar pull on the umbral path will be less; because the moon will impede the gravitation of the sun ( because the gravity is because of the heat of the object)
The red arrows resemble the solar pull on the adjacent areas of the penumbral region where the solar eclipse is partial, and the other regions which will not see the solar eclipse.​

And this difference in the gravitational pull of the sun will lead to this disturbance and the quaking of the earth in that region may occur.
http://universeandquran.site.io/#The_Gravity
Cause of the gravity
Proving that the gravity is because of the heat​




 
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Not a single true statement or correct conclusion there, as usual. There's no demonstrable relationship between eclipses and earthquakes. The earth has about 10 quakes greater than magnitude 5 every day, finding one near the path of an eclipse doesn't mean anything, especially if you allow, as some people do, time periods up to to several weeks after the eclipse to count the earthquakes it supposedly caused. The moon does not impede the sun's gravitational effects on the earth in an eclipse, that's not how gravity works. Gravity has nothing to do with temperature or heat either (they're not the same thing), Al-Hilly's explanations of gravity are entirely wrong, as you could easily verify if you'd consider sources of information other than the Quran and Al-Hilly's fatuous attempts to get scientific information out of it.
 
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Not a single true statement or correct conclusion there, as usual. There's no demonstrable relationship between eclipses and earthquakes. The earth has about 10 quakes greater than magnitude 5 every day, finding one near the path of an eclipse doesn't mean anything, especially if you allow, as some people do, time periods up to to several weeks after the eclipse to count the earthquakes it supposedly caused. The moon does not impede the sun's gravitational effects on the earth in an eclipse, that's not how gravity works. Gravity has nothing to do with temperature or heat either (they're not the same thing), Al-Hilly's explanations of gravity are entirely wrong, as you could easily verify if you'd consider sources of information other than the Quran and Al-Hilly's fatuous attempts to get scientific information out of it.
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Feels good to have this balance back again, don't stray too far.
 
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Dexter Sinister said:
Not a single true statement or correct conclusion there, as usual. There's no demonstrable relationship between eclipses and earthquakes. The earth has about 10 quakes greater than magnitude 5 every day, finding one near the path of an eclipse doesn't mean anything, especially if you allow, as some people do, time periods up to to several weeks after the eclipse to count the earthquakes it supposedly caused. The moon does not impede the sun's gravitational effects on the earth in an eclipse, that's not how gravity works. Gravity has nothing to do with temperature or heat either (they're not the same thing), Al-Hilly's explanations of gravity are entirely wrong, as you could easily verify if you'd consider sources of information other than the Quran and Al-Hilly's fatuous attempts to get scientific information out of it.
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Dexter,

I was just wondering if you ever had the feeling that you were playing a strange sort of digital based "Whack- A- Mole".

Yours,
Trex
 
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Feels good to have this balance back again, don't stray too far.
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Ha talloola with your nice dog,
Is your island far from here?
So you are glad of course with the reply of your comrade;
I am ready to all of you, atheists.
 
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You may be ready with your little book of anecdotes and spells, but the only thing you have produced so far is several links to pseudoscientific claptrap and a bunch of words from a book that was written no doubt by someone either on drugs or pulling a joke on mankind. Scientifically, you have been wrong, are wrong, and most likely will continue to be wrong. Fictitiously, you are mildly entertaining at times.
 
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Ha talloola with your nice dog,
Is your island far from here?
Where are you?

So you are glad of course with the reply of your comrade;
Yes, he has the voice of reason and knowledge, he is much more educated than I,
so he comes from a different direction, I talk from the 'gut' and my 'heart', I
learn from him.

I am ready to all of you, atheists.
That sounds exciting, should you go first, or I?;-)

Am I the opposite from you, or do we have anything in common.
Maybe you like chocolate labs too
Maybe we can discuss something 'other' than gods, or no gods.
Maybe we can discuss hockey.
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All this from a book that says the sun and moon orbit the Earth (which is flat by the way).

13:2 Allah it is Who raised up the heavens without visible supports, then mounted the Throne, and compelled the sun and the moon to be of service, each runneth unto an appointed term; He ordereth the course; He detaileth the revelations, that haply ye may be certain of the meeting with your Lord.

27:61 Is not He (best) Who made the earth a fixed abode, and placed rivers in the folds thereof, and placed firm hills therein, and hath set a barrier between the two seas ? Is there any God beside Allah ? Nay, but most of them know not!


36:40 It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit.


18:86 Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness.


18:90 Till, when he reached the rising-place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter therefrom.

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I can't say that I see any solid relation between solar eclipses and earthquakes.... it could be possible, and although Gilbert seems to just downright claim there isn't any relation, that isn't to say that there isn't an unknown relation.

Gravity effects are not just isolated to the Earth's mass, or the moons (In relation to the oceans and other water effects attributed to the Moon's Gravity/Position).... but the sun obviously has its own gravity, which keeps the planets from flying off into space and further away from the sun itself.

To say there isn't any effect from a combination of the Sun and the moon's alignment compared to the Earth's.... it's just closed minded, because science really doesn't have a method of testing this theory at present..... except in those wonderful computer models..... and we all know how often those can be wrong.

But at present, I agree that I don't see any real relation to eclipses and earthquakes that makes me a believer..... but I don't see anything that proves it false either.

And no offense, but religious jargon doesn't make me a believer either. Unless it can be explained in logical plain english that can be understood, then to me, it's currently unknown.

However, I do agree that the moon's position as well as other planet's positions compared to our own to the sun doesn't have any major effect, if any at all, on the Sun's gravitational effects on our planet. If I lie on the ground, and someone lies on top of me, the gravity isn't modified in any amount. With that said, the Moon orbits the Earth, and the Earth orbits the Sun.... The Earth affects the moon much more then the moon affects us. But the moon does still affect us, via ocean currents/tides, etc.

So if the moon can affect our tides and the other bodies of water on our planet and the sun can affect our seasons due to our changing distance from it, as well as our continually changing obital axis, what kind of effect occurs on our planet when the two come together in a paticular affect, such as an eclipse?

As it stands now, most just think eclipses are just pretty, however the intensity of the sun does change in that paticular area being affected.


This picture of the Aug. 11, 1999 solar eclipse was one of the last ever taken from the Mir space station. NASA image.

As a broad example, if you take a pot of boiling water off the stove by an inch or two, it stops boiling... put it back on, and it boils up again pretty quickly. I would have to say that during an eclipse, this sort of thing can happen to the earth, be that on the surface, due to lack/more of UV exposure from the sun in that area, or perhap more deeper effects towards the Earth's Magma or Tetonic Plates.

We already have Global Warming advocates talking about how if the global temps increase, that we'll be seeing more hurricanes, earthquakes, etc..... well what would happen on a short burst effect in a paticular area of the Earth?

(That's no a jab, but a general question)
 
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All this from a book that says the sun and moon orbit the Earth (which is flat by the way).

13:2 Allah it is Who raised up the heavens without visible supports, then mounted the Throne, and compelled the sun and the moon to be of service, each runneth unto an appointed term; He ordereth the course; He detaileth the revelations, that haply ye may be certain of the meeting with your Lord.

27:61 Is not He (best) Who made the earth a fixed abode, and placed rivers in the folds thereof, and placed firm hills therein, and hath set a barrier between the two seas ? Is there any God beside Allah ? Nay, but most of them know not!

36:40 It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit.

18:86 Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness.

18:90 Till, when he reached the rising-place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter therefrom.
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The translation of the meaning of the Quran:​

All these words, that you cited to be the Quran, are not the Quran. The Quran was revealed in Arabic; such words that you have mentioned are only the words of some translators.​

The translator mostly was not a Muslim neither was he an Arabian. The translator translates the explanation of the Quran into another language. ​

The same is true about the Torah which originally was revealed in Hebrew, and the Gospel which was revealed in Aramaic. The translations of these books have distorted many of the original statements.​

There are many sites and links which on purpose try to distort the meaning of the word of God as revealed in the Glorious Quran.​


Therefore, I shall give you the true meaning of these words to which you object, while you are ?? ignorant about such Arabic word; and God knows best who conceal the truth from people and will punish him in this World and in the afterlife:​

>> God – be glorified – said in the Quran 27: 61​

أَمَّن جَعَلَ الْأَرْضَ قَرَارًا وَجَعَلَ خِلَالَهَا أَنْهَارًا وَجَعَلَ لَهَا رَوَاسِيَ وَجَعَلَ بَيْنَ الْبَحْرَيْنِ حَاجِزًا أَإِلَهٌ مَّعَ اللَّهِ بَلْ أَكْثَرُهُمْ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ​

The explanation:
([Are their associates better] or is He Who made the earth for a 'habitation and settlement', and made rivers [to flow] through its [mountains and valleys], and made [mountains] that landed on it, and placed a partition between the two seas? Is there [then] any god beside God? No, but [actually] the most of them do not realize [the truth.] )
So the word قَرَارًا does not mean a fixed abode, but indicates the rest and settlement, and does not indicate anything like "fixed".​

>> God – be exalted – said in the Quran 18: 86 ​

حَتَّى إِذَا بَلَغَ مَغْرِبَ الشَّمْسِ وَجَدَهَا تَغْرُبُ فِي عَيْنٍ حَمِئَةٍ وَوَجَدَ عِندَهَا قَوْمًا قُلْنَا يَا ذَا الْقَرْنَيْنِ إِمَّا أَن تُعَذِّبَ وَإِمَّا أَن تَتَّخِذَ فِيهِمْ حُسْنًا​

The explanation:
(Until when he (Zul-qarnain: Alexander the Great) reached at sun-set [time], he found it setting under the observation of a black woman, and he found with her a people. We said: "O 'Zul-qarnain', you have either to punish [these people if they disbelieve], or to show them kindness [if they believe and obey God].")​

So the word مَغْرِبَ does not mean the place where the sun sets, but the time of its setting.
While the word عَيْنhas many meanings like the water-spring, the eye of man and animal, the mine or the core of a metal, the observation and care taking as does it mean the eye of the needle and the petroleum well …etc. In the Quran and in many ayat, this word is used to indicate the observation, watching and care-taking.
The word حَمِئَة does not mean muddy, but means "black"​

>> God – be celebrated His praise – said in the Quran in the same soora or chapter (18: 90):​

حَتَّى إِذَا بَلَغَ مَطْلِعَ الشَّمْسِ وَجَدَهَا تَطْلُعُ عَلَى قَوْمٍ لَّمْ نَجْعَل لَّهُم مِّن دُونِهَا سِتْرًا​

The explanation:
(Until when he reached at sun-rising [time], he found it rise upon a people for whom We made no shelter therefrom.)​

The word مَطْلِعَ الشَّمْسِ here means the sun-rise [time], and does not mean the rising-place of the sun.​

See the details of the explanation of these ayat at this link:
http://universeandquran.site.io/new_page_3.htm#Sun
and the answer of the Question 5 about this subject, just before the subject of: Comets​

There are many sites where some people have inserted such lies against the Glorious Quran to impede the propagation of the word of God: the Glorious Quran, so they fabricate some lies especially to people who do not know Arabic; for such men, God Almighty threatened them with two kinds of punishment:​
  • A punishment of disgrace and abasement and degradation – which will afflict them in this World.
  • And a greivous punishment in Hell in the afterlife.
 
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Praxius said:
To say there isn't any effect from a combination of the Sun and the moon's alignment compared to the Earth's.... it's just closed minded, because science really doesn't have a method of testing this theory at present..... except in those wonderful computer models..... and we all know how often those can be wrong.
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Actually there's a perfectly simple way to test it: you just look for cycles in earthquake data with the same periodicity as the moon's motion. There aren't any.
However, I do agree that the moon's position as well as other planet's positions compared to our own to the sun doesn't have any major effect, if any at all, on the Sun's gravitational effects on our planet.
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Gravity is a vector quantity, in physics' simplest formulation, and the various gravitational influences on the earth can be added in the routine way vectors are added. The vectors change direction significantly as the earth and moon do their little dance around the sun, but they don't affect each other.
So if the moon can affect our tides and the other bodies of water on our planet and the sun can affect our seasons due to our changing distance from it, as well as our continually changing obital axis
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Can't let that one go by. The sun affects the tides as well, but because the moon is so much closer than the sun, the sun's effect is only about a quarter that of the moon, if my memory is correct. There are, however, noticeably higher tides when the sun and moon are lined up on the same side of the earth, as they are during an eclipse, and noticeably smaller ones when they're on opposite sides. Tides also affect the whole planet, not just the water on it. The whole planet flexes a bit, the effect is just more obvious on the water because it's so much less rigid.

Seasons are not due to earth's changing distance from the sun, they're due to the earth's axial tilt and the changing angle of incidence of solar radiation at the surface, which is why the seasons are different in the northern and southern hemispheres. Summer in Canada is Winter in Australia. And vice versa of course. Earth is actually closer to the sun during a northern hemisphere winter and farther away in the summer. The difference in both cases is about 25,000 km from the average distance, again if my memory is correct. I suppose I could look it up... It's not much of a difference really, less than .02%, not enough to matter.

Ever wondered why there isn't an eclipse every lunar month? Eclipses happen when the moon gets between the earth and the sun, and it does that about 13 times a year, so why don't we see 13 eclipses a year? See if you can figure that one out.
 
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eanassir said:
China has been one of the main countries where the last total solar eclipse has occurred on 1 August 2008. ​

Today (4 days following the total eclipse) it has been hit by a strong earthquake.​
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And I presume you think that's evidence that the eclipse caused the quake? That's called the post hoc fallacy. More specifically, it's from the Latin phrase post hoc ergo propter hoc, meaning, after this therefore because of this.
 
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I agree with darkbeaver on this.

Moon has a gravitational field and so do earth, sun, and other planets and planetoids. If the moon and sun will completely cause the planet to have earthquakes, then the movements of the earth's gravitational field combined with the other planets will be nothing. This is not the real truth. Although the overall direction of the gravitational field seems to be toward the direction of the sun, the other planets and universes' gravitational fields should be greater than the sun and the moon. The sole gravitational forces of the sun and moon cannot destroy or heavily effect the earth's gravitational fields to cause an earthquake.

What is effecting the earthquake:
Nothing much... The regular: flipping of the core...something I already typed in 7 Ways To Save The World. Although the scientist thinks it is a hypothesis, I think there are more than a country's silent support for his hypothesis as something more than a guesswork.

Logic puzzles are as hard as crop circles. Acceptance will help a lot.
 
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Praxius said:
I can't say that I see any solid relation between solar eclipses and earthquakes.... it could be possible, and although Gilbert seems to just downright claim there isn't any relation, that isn't to say that there isn't an unknown relation.
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Scroll back and read again, child. It wasn't me that said there was no corelation. That was Dex. What I claimed was that EAnassir has been wrong, is wrong and no doubt will continue to be wrong ( I should qualify that and say that he can't be wrong all of the time, though). Most likely, what causes the majority of earthquakes is Earth's own forces causing the tectonic movements.
At any rate if you want to take EAnassir's interpretation of the Koran as scientifically viable, go right ahead. lol

Gravity effects are not just isolated to the Earth's mass, or the moons (In relation to the oceans and other water effects attributed to the Moon's Gravity/Position).... but the sun obviously has its own gravity, which keeps the planets from flying off into space and further away from the sun itself.

To say there isn't any effect from a combination of the Sun and the moon's alignment compared to the Earth's.... it's just closed minded, because science really doesn't have a method of testing this theory at present..... except in those wonderful computer models..... and we all know how often those can be wrong.
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It's not a theory; it's a hypothesis. And essentially, as there is no evidence of EAnassir's hypothesis being true, it might as well be claptrap.

But at present, I agree that I don't see any real relation to eclipses and earthquakes that makes me a believer..... but I don't see anything that proves it false either..........
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Science operates on evidence, not maybes. Maybes only spark hypotheses. Maybe there are gods, leprachauns, etc.
 
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