thoughts on 2012 and the Mayn Calendar

On the same note I must admit feeling suspicious when many who claim to be so well-connected to certain alternative topics such as extraterrestrials, clairvoyance, channeling, and the “new consciousness” are unwilling to bring up the subject of Planet X, a polar shift or global catastrophe, or simply claim the 2012 enigma is only and ever a positive transformation. I’m not saying let’s all run around like Chicken Little; such a catastrophe could be exactly what ushers in a new consciousness for those who are prepared. In other words; the very thing that destroys, also creates, ala Shiva. The sister sun flies by more or less around the same time the 12/21/12 galactic alignment beams psychedelic energies from the “Tree of Life” at the center of the galaxy. Simultaneous? Or will the consciousness trip “save” us before, or even after if we survive, like some kind of ‘rapture’? Not sure. Perhaps be prepared for both?
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Will Canada Last? Not if we surrender our energy lifeblood to the US
What will it take persuade Canadians that if they do not act soon to reverse the course of their nation, there will be nothing left to save? I am talking, of course, about so-called "deep integration" and its official expression, the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP).

Thanks, Quandary! That is a very good link, and coming from you, a Brit, quite extraordinary!!
I have heard about us getting the short end of the stick, but then wondered why the new candidates down south wanted to get out of or rewrite NAFTA? If it is so good for them, the Americans, why change it? Anyway, I think this is off-topic here.
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Thanks, Quandary! That is a very good link, and coming from you, a Brit, quite extraordinary!!
I have heard about us getting the short end of the stick, but then wondered why the new candidates down south wanted to get out of or rewrite NAFTA? If it is so good for them, the Americans, why change it? Anyway, I think this is off-topic here.

it was just a reply to L Gilbert remarks dear friend
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I never got into Sci Fi and fantasy literature.
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I never got into Sci Fi and fantasy literature.

your confusing history with your hatred of me i think. try to keep your bias directed at me instead of you ignorance of history . SUMARIANS OR THE MYANS are well documented
VI. I've heard that there are a lot of Biblical parallels in Sumerian literature. What are they?

Traces of Sumerian religion survive today and are reflected in writings of the Bible. As late as Ezekiel, there is mention of a Sumerian deity. In Ezekiel 8:14, the prophet sees women of Israel weeping for Tammuz (Dumuzi) during a drought.
The bulk of Sumerian parallels can, however be found much earlier, in the book of Genesis. As in Genesis, the Sumerians' world is formed out of the watery abyss and the heavens and earth are divinely separated from one another by a solid dome. The second chapter of Genesis introduces the paradise Eden, a place which is similar to the Sumerian Dilmun, described in the myth of "Enki and Ninhursag". Dilmun is a pure, bright, and holy land - now often identified with Bahrain in the Persian Gulf. It is blessed by Enki to have overflowing, sweet water. Enki fills it with lagoons and palm trees. He impregnates Ninhursag and causes eight new plants to grow from the earth. Eden, "in the East" (Gen. 2:8) has a river which also "rises" or overflows, to form four rivers including the Tigris and Euphrates. It too is lush and has fruit bearing trees. (Gen. 2:9-10) In the second version of the creation of man "The Lord God formed man out of the clay of the ground and blew into his nostrils the breath of life, and so man became a living being." Enki and Ninmah (Ninhursag) use a similar method in creating man. Nammu, queen of the abyss and Enki's mother, bids Enki to "Kneed the 'heart' of the clay that is over the Abzu " and "give it form" (Kramer & Maier p. 33) From there the similarities cease as the two create several malformed humans and then the two deities get into an argument
As Dr. Jose Arguelles writes in "Time and The Technosphere" -
"August 13, 3113 BC is as precise and accurate as one can get for a beginning of history: the first Egyptian dynasty is dated to ca 3100 BC; the first 'city,' Uruk, in Mesopotamia, also ca 3100 BC; the Hindu Kali Yuga, 3102 BC; and most interestingly, the division of time into 24 hours of 60 minutes each and each minute into 60 seconds [and the division of the circle into 360 degrees], also around 3100 BC, in Sumeria. If the beginning of history was so accurately placed, then must not the end of history, December 21, 2012 also be as accurate?"
L Gilbert
Um, I believe the earliest recirded history is a bit farther back in time than 3100. More like the 5th century BCE.
When the end of history comes, I bet it will be recorded down to a very minute fraction of a second somewhere. So, that's a pretty silly question.
BTW, I really doubt the end of history will be in Dec. 2012. Just in case, though, I am going to call my relatives on planet Mxyzptlk and see if they have a spare bedroom I can borrow till I get my own place.
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Um, I believe the earliest recirded history is a bit farther back in time than 3100. More like the 5th century BCE.
When the end of history comes, I bet it will be recorded down to a very minute fraction of a second somewhere. So, that's a pretty silly question.
BTW, I really doubt the end of history will be in Dec. 2012. Just in case, though, I am going to call my relatives on planet Mxyzptlk and see if they have a spare bedroom I can borrow till I get my own place.

are you going from thread to thread deliberately trying to discredit everything Ive posted it seems that way to me

By Hunbatz Men
Like the Sun, Pacal Votan came to this world to illuminate his Mayan people. He came from the dimension where the enlightened teachers are awaiting for the right moment to get reincarnated. It is there where the Universal Creator chooses the teacher who will come to fulfill the mission of guiding his people toward the cosmic light of wisdom so that once again the sacred human race can use that wisdom to complete its destiny of enlightenment.
The ancient Mayans worshipped the teacher Pacal Votan for his great wisdom because he was an enlightened one and he knew everything. According to Alberto Ruz Lhuillier's book, some inscriptions in the Temple of the Inscriptions in Palenque say that Pacal Votan was an initiate who had the ability to do healing miracles. He could cure many illnesses just by raising his hands or through a look. Then we can say that he was able to perfectly handle the energy, which he could control and regulate with his...

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Have you heard of this fellow PACAL VOTAN, he apparently when first introduced to the mayns, destroyed all of what he could find of there history, then after some time he regretted what he had done, and tried to reassemble what fragments of there cultures history,that he could find was left, he was seen as a god to these mayn peoples.
Scott Free
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am interested on peoples thoughts on the year 2012 and the Mayan Calendar.
Will 2012 be just another yr or will we be fighting to survive natural extinction events?

The Maya calender was for a different civilization. Perhaps, if it isn't all superstitious hooey, then it could make a prediction about patterns in an existing Maya civilization but I highly doubt it has anything to offer us. If it did then that would suggest all civilizations are somehow tied together in some larger cycle or pattern and I just don't see any evidence that is true. Certainly individual civilizations have such patterns and for that reason the Maya calender and its attempt to institutionalize those patterns is fascinating. The Maya were most remarkable people IMO.
The Mayan Calendar
  • Among their other accomplishments, the ancient Mayas invented a calendar of remarkable accuracy and complexity. At right is the ancient Mayan Pyramid Chichen Itza, Yucatan, Mexico. The Pyramid of Kukulkan at Chichén Itzá, constructed circa 1050 was built during the late Mayan period, when Toltecs from Tula became politically powerful. The pyramid was used as a calendar: four stairways, each with 91 steps and a platform at the top, making a total of 365, equivalent to the number of days in a calendar year.
    The Maya calendar was adopted by the other Mesoamerican nations, such as the Aztecs and the Toltec, which adopted the mechanics of the calendar unaltered but changed the names of the days of the week and the months. An Aztec calendar stone is shown at right (below).
    The Maya calendar uses three different dating systems in parallel, the Long Count, the Tzolkin (divine calendar), and the Haab (civil calendar). Of these, only the Haab has a direct relationship to the length of the year. A typical Mayan date looks like this:, 3 Cimi 4 Zotz. is the Long Count date.
    3 Cimi is the Tzolkin date.
    4 Zotz is the Haab date.
What is the Long Count?
  • The Long Count is really a mixed base-20/base-18 representation of a number, representing the number of days since the start of the Mayan era. It is thus akin to the Julian Day Number.
    The basic unit is the kin (day), which is the last component of the Long Count. Going from right to left the remaining components are:
    uinal(1 uinal = 20 kin = 20 days)tun(1 tun = 18 uinal = 360 days = approx. 1 year)katun(1 katun = 20 tun = 7,200 days = approx. 20 years)baktun(1 baktun = 20 katun = 144,000 days = approx. 394 years)The kin, tun, and katun are numbered from 0 to 19.
    The uinal are numbered from 0 to 17.
    The baktun are numbered from 1 to 13.
    Although they are not part of the Long Count, the Mayas had names for larger time spans. The following names are sometimes quoted, although they are not ancient Maya terms: 1 pictun = 20 baktun = 2,880,000 days = approx. 7885 years
    1 calabtun = 20 pictun = 57,600,000 days = approx. 158,000 years
    1 kinchiltun = 20 calabtun = 1,152,000,000 days = approx. 3 million years
    1 alautun = 20 kinchiltun = 23,040,000,000 days = approx. 63 million years
    The alautun is probably the longest named period in any calendar.
When did the Long Count Start?
  • Logically, the first date in the Long Count should be, but as the baktun (the first component) are numbered from 1 to 13 rather than 0 to 12, this first date is actually written
    The authorities disagree on what corresponds to in our calendar. I have come across three possible equivalences: = 8 Sep 3114 BC (Julian) = 13 Aug 3114 BC (Gregorian) = 6 Sep 3114 BC (Julian) = 11 Aug 3114 BC (Gregorian) = 11 Nov 3374 BC (Julian) = 15 Oct 3374 BC (Gregorian)
    Assuming one of the first two equivalences, the Long Count will again reach on 21 or 23 December AD 2012 - a not too distant future.
    The date may have been the Mayas' idea of the date of the creation of the world.
What is the Tzolkin?
  • The Tzolkin date is a combination of two "week" lengths.
    While our calendar uses a single week of seven days, the Mayan calendar used two different lengths of week:
    • a numbered week of 13 days, in which the days were numbered from 1 to 13
    • a named week of 20 days, in which the names of the days were:
    0. Ahau1. Imix2. Ik3. Akbal4. Kan5. Chicchan6. Cimi7. Manik8. Lamat9. Muluc10. Oc11. Chuen12. Eb13. Ben14. Ix15. Men16. Cib17. Caban18. Etznab19. CaunacThe diagram at right shows the day symbols, in the same order as the table above.
    As the named week is 20 days and the smallest Long Count digit is 20 days, there is synchrony between the two; if, for example, the last digit of today's Long Count is 0, today must be Ahau; if it is 6, it must be Cimi. Since the numbered and the named week were both "weeks," each of their name/number change daily; therefore, the day after 3 Cimi is not 4 Cimi, but 4 Manik, and the day after that, 5 Lamat. The next time Cimi rolls around, 20 days later, it will be 10 Cimi instead of 3 Cimi. The next 3 Cimi will not occur until 260 (or 13 x 20) days have passed. This 260-day cycle also had good-luck or bad-luck associations connected with each day, and for this reason, it became known as the "divinatory year."
    The "years" of the Tzolkin calendar are not counted.
When did the Tzolkin Start?
  • Long Count corresponds to 4 Ahau. The authorities agree on this.
What is the Haab?
  • The Haab was the civil calendar of the Mayas. It consisted of 18 "months" of 20 days each, followed by 5 extra days, known as Uayeb. This gives a year length of 365 days.
    The names of the month were:

    1.Pop7.Yaxkin13.Mac2.Uo8.Mol14.Kankin3.Zip9.Chen15 .Muan4.Zotz10.Yax16.Pax5.Tzec11.Zac17.Kayab6.Xul 12.Ceh 18.CumkuIn contrast to the Tzolkin dates, the Haab month names changed every 20 days instead of daily; so the day after 4 Zotz would be 5 Zotz, followed by 6 Zotz ... up to 19 Zotz, which is followed by 0 Tzec.
    The days of the month were numbered from 0 to 19. This use of a 0th day of the month in a civil calendar is unique to the Maya system; it is believed that the Mayas discovered the number zero, and the uses to which it could be put, centuries before it was discovered in Europe or Asia.
    The Uayeb days acquired a very derogatory reputation for bad luck; known as "days without names" or "days without souls," and were observed as days of prayer and mourning. Fires were extinguished and the population refrained from eating hot food. Anyone born on those days was "doomed to a miserable life."
    The years of the Haab calendar are not counted.
    The length of the Tzolkin year was 260 days and the length of the Haab year was 365 days. The smallest number that can be divided evenly by 260 and 365 is 18,980, or 365×52; this was known as the Calendar Round. If a day is, for example, "4 Ahau 8 Cumku," the next day falling on "4 Ahau 8 Cumku" would be 18,980 days or about 52 years later. Among the Aztec, the end of a Calendar Round was a time of public panic as it was thought the world might be coming to an end. When the Pleaides crossed the horizon on 4 Ahau 8 Cumku, they knew the world had been granted another 52-year extension.
When did the Haab Start?
  • Long Count corresponds to 8 Cumku. The authorities agree on this.
Did the Mayas Think a Year Was 365 Days?
  • Although there were only 365 days in the Haab year, the Mayas were aware that a year is slightly longer than 365 days, and in fact, many of the month-names are associated with the seasons; Yaxkin, for example, means "new or strong sun" and, at the beginning of the Long Count, 1 Yaxkin was the day after the winter solstice, when the sun starts to shine for a longer period of time and higher in the sky. When the Long Count was put into motion, it was started at, and 0 Yaxkin corresponded with Midwinter Day, as it did at back in 3114 B.C.E. The available evidence indicates that the Mayas estimated that a 365-day year precessed through all the seasons twice in or 1,101,600 days.
    We can therefore derive a value for the Mayan estimate of the year by dividing 1,101,600 by 365, subtracting 2, and taking that number and dividing 1,101,600 by the result, which gives us an answer of 365.242036 days, which is slightly more accurate than the 365.2425 days of the Gregorian calendar.
    (This apparent accuracy could, however, be a simple coincidence. The Mayas estimated that a 365-day year precessed through all the seasons twice in days. These numbers are only accurate to 2-3 digits. Suppose the days had corresponded to 2.001 cycles rather than 2 cycles of the 365-day year, would the Mayas have noticed?)
    In ancient times, the Mayans had a tradition of a 360-day year. But by the 4th century B.C.E. they took a different approach than either Europeans or Asians. They maintained three different calendars at the same time. In one of them, they divided a 365-day year into eighteen 20-day months followed by a five-day period that was part of no month. The five-day period was considered to be unlucky.
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Hey darkbeaver could you re post this.? as i think something is very wrong here m8

The Fact still remains about the pole shift, Nostradamus predicition of time of Pole Shift, Edgar Casey, Montauk project, Mayan calendar



the 5000 Year Mayan Calendar ends on DEC 22, 2012 AD. The ancient
Mayans claim this calendar was given to them by the god, QUEZECOATAL,
The Feathered Serpent.

This would have been in the year 3012 BC. According to ancient
Egyptian records, the god THOTH left
Egypt in the year 3113 BC and may
have reappeared in Meso America.
Scott Free
Is there money to be made in sites like that one? I've seriously contemplated starting one. I know so many people that buy into this kind of thing. It's really tempting.
does anyone else find it ironic that these people who believe in the mayan calendar bash religions, but 2012 is based off the mayan religion.
if you truely believe in the mayan calendar then u must also follow the mayan religion as well, in which case u'll believe that everyone is made of corn. but i suspect that they really dont follow that religion, which is pure hypocrisy, u cant half follow a religion. either you follow it or u dont, so u shouldnt pin point things just because.
AHHHH panic.......

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Accurate as in... accurate for the Mayan community. The Mayan community's beliefs, style, culture, and calculation makes the Mayan calender a very accurate calender. The most precise calender is the sun dial and the moon dial. The sun dial and the moon dial only works near countries and in one area. Sorry about that.
I prefer regular quartz watches or regular digital clocks.
Near countries with few pollution. Another error.
I calculated the Mayan calender because I was on a special task. Since everyone already know about the Mayan calender, I can tell the truth and find a real job.
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