April 17th, 2008, 04:17 PM
Is it genetic? To some degree, yes. We all want to feel good and be happy, at least from time to time. Money is a utility for doing that. But it is also misued because many don't take even a few minutes to do some basic arithmatic to see whether it makes sense or not.
Quoting MikeyDB
But what is the answer, if that is what you want to call it? Everyone stop advertising or selling anything unless it's 100% proven necessary to purchase? If you think good jobs are scarce now, give that a try.
Kreskin
It will take some energetic convincing to change my opinion. One can comfortably I suppose ladle blame on the over-board fantasies of housing purchasers and yes to a considerable degree the responsibility is theirs...
But!....When the social fabric of society as a whole is directed to profit the corporations where does the event-wave occur? Is it the pictures of Italian tile in the foryer of huge homes plastered all over the pages of Home and Gardens or is it the "life-style" conditiioning of rehashed ex-rock-stars and WWF living cartoons..?
Where is the hunger for more seeded in the psychology of the consumer? Is it perhaps in the smiling faces of multi-millionaire baskeball stars hawking a pair of running shoes to a kid with the sublte promise that wealth and popularity can be theirs...if only they can convince Mom and Dad that these two hundred dollar running shoes will make them famous?
Is it perhaps the not-so-subtle focus on the life-styles of the hollow empty amoral like Paris Hilton or Anna Nicole Smith....or perhaps it's the foundation of prejdice that's levered into the kids through pointing out that an X-BoX is the phat today...or is it manicured lawns that everyone rushes to cut so "property values" are preserved while gasoline lawnmowers spew more toxins than an eight cylinder automobile...?
Where does it begin Kreskin?
Are you suggesting its all genetic?
It will take some energetic convincing to change my opinion. One can comfortably I suppose ladle blame on the over-board fantasies of housing purchasers and yes to a considerable degree the responsibility is theirs...
But!....When the social fabric of society as a whole is directed to profit the corporations where does the event-wave occur? Is it the pictures of Italian tile in the foryer of huge homes plastered all over the pages of Home and Gardens or is it the "life-style" conditiioning of rehashed ex-rock-stars and WWF living cartoons..?
Where is the hunger for more seeded in the psychology of the consumer? Is it perhaps in the smiling faces of multi-millionaire baskeball stars hawking a pair of running shoes to a kid with the sublte promise that wealth and popularity can be theirs...if only they can convince Mom and Dad that these two hundred dollar running shoes will make them famous?
Is it perhaps the not-so-subtle focus on the life-styles of the hollow empty amoral like Paris Hilton or Anna Nicole Smith....or perhaps it's the foundation of prejdice that's levered into the kids through pointing out that an X-BoX is the phat today...or is it manicured lawns that everyone rushes to cut so "property values" are preserved while gasoline lawnmowers spew more toxins than an eight cylinder automobile...?
Where does it begin Kreskin?
Are you suggesting its all genetic?
Is it genetic? To some degree, yes. We all want to feel good and be happy, at least from time to time. Money is a utility for doing that. But it is also misued because many don't take even a few minutes to do some basic arithmatic to see whether it makes sense or not.
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April 17th, 2008, 09:44 PM
So MikeyDB, your plan still boils down a contradiction...
Its people who work for corporations fault, for trying to buy things from them, making them wealthy and us not wealthy.
So in punishment for the gullibility of people who got screwed in the equation by not having any self control, responsibility or rational decision making ability,
Those gullibile people, now have to rise up to make their own lives better, at the expense of the lives of others...
Because why?
If I say "By my art for $200,000" and you do. Who's fault is that? Mine for trying to get the most for my "art" or yours for spending $200,000 on crap?
Is that a breakdown of society or a build-up? I guess it depends on perspective. From the guy selling the art its making a living in the world with wits and skill.
For the idiot paying $200,000 for a piece of crap, its no doubt the decay of civilization since people are being tricked (aka not having responsibility for their decisions) into buying stuff they don't need.
The old idiom "A fool and his money are soon seperated" is not going to change no matter how much you try and supress peoples basic freedom of choice.
People have a right to make bad life choices, because quite frankly, its their life to lead.
I've made my share of mistakes and life, and I'd be damned if I'd have wanted someone to force me to make "The right choices" against my will.
So MikeyDB, your plan still boils down a contradiction...
Its people who work for corporations fault, for trying to buy things from them, making them wealthy and us not wealthy.
So in punishment for the gullibility of people who got screwed in the equation by not having any self control, responsibility or rational decision making ability,
Those gullibile people, now have to rise up to make their own lives better, at the expense of the lives of others...
Because why?
If I say "By my art for $200,000" and you do. Who's fault is that? Mine for trying to get the most for my "art" or yours for spending $200,000 on crap?
Is that a breakdown of society or a build-up? I guess it depends on perspective. From the guy selling the art its making a living in the world with wits and skill.
For the idiot paying $200,000 for a piece of crap, its no doubt the decay of civilization since people are being tricked (aka not having responsibility for their decisions) into buying stuff they don't need.
The old idiom "A fool and his money are soon seperated" is not going to change no matter how much you try and supress peoples basic freedom of choice.
People have a right to make bad life choices, because quite frankly, its their life to lead.
I've made my share of mistakes and life, and I'd be damned if I'd have wanted someone to force me to make "The right choices" against my will.
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April 17th, 2008, 10:17 PM
SOTT Focus ♥66 Shaping Conventional Wisdom
Henry See
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Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:41 EDT
©Unknown We ran an article recently on the Signs page about the elite that run the world. It is from a mainstream publication, about as mainstream as they get in the US: Newsweek. It is about the group of people the author calls the "Superclass" and who are:
SOTT Focus ♥66 Shaping Conventional Wisdom
Henry SeeSOTT
Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:41 EDT
©Unknown We ran an article recently on the Signs page about the elite that run the world. It is from a mainstream publication, about as mainstream as they get in the US: Newsweek. It is about the group of people the author calls the "Superclass" and who are:"part of a new global elite that has emerged over the past several decades. I call it the 'superclass.' They have vastly more power than any other group on the planet. Each of the members is set apart by his ability to regularly influence the lives of millions of people in multiple countries worldwide. Each actively exercises this power, and often amplifies it through the development of relationships with other superclass members. This new class of elites is both more permeable, and more transient, than elites of the past... The top 10 percent of all people, for example, now control 85 percent of all wealth on the planet.
That such a group exists is indisputable. It includes the heads of the biggest financial institutions, the 14 families Blankfein joked about, and then some; the top 50 control almost $50 trillion in assets. The heads of the world's biggest corporations are also members; the top 2,000 support perhaps 500 million people, generate almost $30 trillion in sales and have well over $100 trillion in assets. The list also includes top government officials with real cross-border influence... media barons...religious leaders...cultural icons..."
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We will extract a living from our environment efficiently and distribution difficultys will be eliminated along with the overlords, bankers will be hunted down and brought to justice or there simply won't be a future. Mankind needs to take a bit of time to prioritize, the overclass certainly has, it's not hard to understand the problems or the solutions. Do you want to be human or do you want to be wealthy?
