What does Alberta have to show for 24 Bil barrels ? $12 Bil in debt

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The province is currently over $12 billion (link is external) in debt and is projected to run a budget deficit of $500 million this year, the seventh consecutive year in the red for a province that prides itself on having a sharp fiscal pencil.

Resource prices often go through boom and bust cycles, and this is certainly not the first in Alberta, as evidenced by a certain iconic
bumper sticker. (link is external) Yet to fully grasp Canada's colossal lost opportunity, we need to look toward our Norwegian neighbours.


Norway, like Canada, was scaling up its petroleum industry in the early 1970s. It endured the same cyclical rides in resource pricing, and negotiated terms with many of the same foreign companies.

Yet Norway now has over $1 trillion
socked away (link is external) in its sovereign wealth fund, a dedicated repository of all petroleum revenues. Even if oil was worth nothing tomorrow, the country would still have no public debt, fully funded social programs that we can only dream of, and a very large nest egg to transition to a new economy.

So where is our nest egg? The Alberta Heritage Fund was started almost 15 years before the Norwegian oil fund, yet the province has not contributed a dime of resource revenues since 1987. This moribund fund has only two per cent of the value of Norway's pile of cash, which is now the largest sovereign wealth fund in the world.




The difference is what Alberta had that Norway didn't have. The Norwegians didn't have Ralph Klein. They didn't have Ed "Special Ed" Stelmach. They didn't have Alison Redford and they sure as hell didn't have Sideshow Steve Harper or Joe Oliver. They also were spared the sophomoric and ultimately self-destructive ideology these morons inflict on all and sundry in their rush to maximize bitumen extraction at any cost.



Ignoring the oilsands altogether, Alberta has produced 18 per cent more conventional crude and natural gas than has Norway, and the province didn't have to venture hundreds of kilometres into the North Sea to get it.





Alberta's Debt Clock






Canada's National Debt Clock : The Canadian Taxpayers Federation








 

Cannuck

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....for a province that prides itself on having a sharp fiscal pencil....

That's just false. Alberta is not now nor has it been in my time here, a fiscally conservative province. It's like many of the people on this forum that pretend to be conservative. Some people believe if you make a claim and repeat it long enough and loudly enough, it's true.
 

Kreskin

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It's one thing to have a fund with the greatest of intentions. It's another to see who ends up pocketing it.
 

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The province is currently over $12 billion (link is external) in debt and is projected to run a budget deficit of $500 million this year, the seventh consecutive year in the red for a province that prides itself on having a sharp fiscal pencil.

Resource prices often go through boom and bust cycles, and this is certainly not the first in Alberta, as evidenced by a certain iconic
bumper sticker. (link is external) Yet to fully grasp Canada's colossal lost opportunity, we need to look toward our Norwegian neighbours.


Norway, like Canada, was scaling up its petroleum industry in the early 1970s. It endured the same cyclical rides in resource pricing, and negotiated terms with many of the same foreign companies.

Yet Norway now has over $1 trillion
socked away (link is external) in its sovereign wealth fund, a dedicated repository of all petroleum revenues. Even if oil was worth nothing tomorrow, the country would still have no public debt, fully funded social programs that we can only dream of, and a very large nest egg to transition to a new economy.

So where is our nest egg? The Alberta Heritage Fund was started almost 15 years before the Norwegian oil fund, yet the province has not contributed a dime of resource revenues since 1987. This moribund fund has only two per cent of the value of Norway's pile of cash, which is now the largest sovereign wealth fund in the world.




The difference is what Alberta had that Norway didn't have. The Norwegians didn't have Ralph Klein. They didn't have Ed "Special Ed" Stelmach. They didn't have Alison Redford and they sure as hell didn't have Sideshow Steve Harper or Joe Oliver. They also were spared the sophomoric and ultimately self-destructive ideology these morons inflict on all and sundry in their rush to maximize bitumen extraction at any cost.



Ignoring the oilsands altogether, Alberta has produced 18 per cent more conventional crude and natural gas than has Norway, and the province didn't have to venture hundreds of kilometres into the North Sea to get it.





Alberta's Debt Clock






Canada's National Debt Clock : The Canadian Taxpayers Federation








The difference is country to province. Alberta decided to do it alone with some government help where Norway did it as a country. Here in Canada the provinces the control resources and when the Prime Minister Trudeau tried to make a deal with the province of Alberta many years ago of a national energy program many years ago he was told to let the rest of Canada freeze in the dark.

Alberta dug their own grave as far as their oil demise as the oil prices fell. Harper acted like oil baron on the world stage boasting of all the oil sands Alberta has and concentrating on that province only and neglecting the rest of the provinces signing all kinds of free trade agreements backing it up with the oil bucks meanwhile destroying the manufacturing base in the east more specifically Ontario and Quebec. We have to remember that Harper also gave our Aboriginals a raw deal where they are living in third world conditions. This is why Harper is having problems building pipelines east or west.

If Alberta was not so selfish they would not be suffering today.
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Kreskin

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I wouldn't exactly call Alberta suffering. Lets not get too far ahead with the sky is falling stuff.
 

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Let's also not think the economy is as relevant to our lives as some would have us think.
 

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Why does Norway have such public debt if all is so good? Norway Debt Clock :: National Debt of Norway

Because instead of paying the bills they chose to have expensive social programs. Much like Canada.

There is a huge difference in having a country the size of an island with low population having all that oil revenue and a small part of the second largest country in the world That requires huge infrastructure costs just to get to where the oil is.

The difference is country to province. Alberta decided to do it alone with some government help where Norway did it as a country. Here in Canada the provinces the control resources and when the Prime Minister Trudeau tried to make a deal with the province of Alberta many years ago of a national energy program many years ago he was told to let the rest of Canada freeze in the dark.

Alberta dug their own grave as far as their oil demise as the oil prices fell. Harper acted like oil baron on the world stage boasting of all the oil sands Alberta has and concentrating on that province only and neglecting the rest of the provinces signing all kinds of free trade agreements backing it up with the oil bucks meanwhile destroying the manufacturing base in the east more specifically Ontario and Quebec. We have to remember that Harper also gave our Aboriginals a raw deal where they are living in third world conditions. This is why Harper is having problems building pipelines east or west.

If Alberta was not so selfish they would not be suffering today.
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Have you ever been outside of Toronto?
 

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That's just false. Alberta is not now nor has it been in my time here, a fiscally conservative province. It's like many of the people on this forum that pretend to be conservative. Some people believe if you make a claim and repeat it long enough and loudly enough, it's true.



All Alberta has to do is Cut Welfare in half and all these leaches that came out to Alberta from Ontario and BC will return to their shyte hole Provinces..

Save Alberta; "SEND THEM BACK!!"
 

Cannuck

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All Alberta has to do is Cut Welfare in half and all these leaches that came out to Alberta from Ontario and BC will return to their shyte hole Provinces..

Save Alberta; "SEND THEM BACK!!"

Don't be so silly. Alberta needs workers. Unfortunately, workers need housing roads, schools hospitals and other services. That coupled with the existing infrastructure which is antiquated, and there is far greater stress on the system than welfare recipients. Only somebody that knows nothing about how government operates would say something so foolish.