WHY THE WORLD DOESN'T CARE ABOUT IRAQ

jimmoyer

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The process has started.

The process of indignation has started.

Not your indignation.

It is the Iraqi indignation and disgust that their own neighbors and fellow citizens are killing their families, brothers, sisters, parents and children. Even some of the insurgents are requesting other insurgents not to kill fellow Iraqi children, not to kill Iraqi policemen, Iraq brothers and sisters.


It is that process that dooms the insurgency.

When they showed all the knowing intellectuals the ink-stained blue voting finger, none of the peace loving intellectuals would have had the foresight to predict the Iraqi's spitting disgust as they stepped over (after kicking it) the dead corpse of a suicide bomber at the voting boothe.

The process had to start.

The process is now in progress.

Holding to the old status quo of Saddam only would have delayed the forward march of history. Saddam has another 10 good years to live. Another 10 years of paying Palestinian families 25k so they can feel good about losing their son and daughters as suicide bombers to a cause minded by manipulators who would prefer not to throw their own lives away but rather prey on the susceptible young.

All the European geniuses and Blue state caregivers don't give a damn about this country's chances.

They only give a damn about tying it to Bush administration lies. That's more important than anything else.

That's more important than giving Iraq, this new country a chance.

Watch while they sit as movie critics lifting not one finger in their special moral universe.



They care?

I think they care more about something else.
 

no1important

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RE: WHY THE WORLD DOESN'T

"W" does not even know what he is doing in there. He made no plans for after the "war" ended. Didn't it end quite a while ago? 2 years ago if memory serves me correctly.

"W" wants no help. The US won't relinquish any kind of control in Iraq. Bush wants the oil for payback (for bringing "democracy"), a seat on OPEC, control of the oil prices and somewhere to launch his next illegal war against Iran. Bush is an evil evil wicked man. Not to mention a war criminal.

We saw with the Tsunami how generous and supportive the world can be, and we can be in Iraq too, but need the US to turn over control to the UN or the EU first, where America does not control things.

Basically no one can help unless the US becomes a bit more co operative and less belligerant. "W" and his government are very selfish and greedy people $$$$$.
 

Reverend Blair

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That's very true, No 1. The US is very much like the neighbour who asks you to help them build a new garage, but won't spring for so much as a beer at lunch. It's all about them all of the time.

It's good to see them lashing out yet again though. This "everybody hates us" act is getting pretty damned old.
 

jimmoyer

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LOL !!

How convenient are your excuses for sitting on the sidelines letting Iraq struggle by itself?

It's all about Bush?

No, my earnest friends, it is about really really trying to have the guts to help a new country emerge.

If you need the USA to spring for a beer for you to come to the table, then your moral preening is very very self-congratulatory.

You think this is getting old?

It's as old and lifeless as all of your lack of intro-spection and your willingness to follow the herd mentality of the current world zeitgeist.

There's a little story concerning this about the MOAG, the Mother of All Generators in another thread.

The German conglomerate Siemens is lifting a finger to get some beer money, but there's no guts on their part involved. Safe and secure, Siemens is helping, but with no risk involved.
 

mrmom2

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I thought it was about the phantom weapons of mass destruction Jim :? Oh I get it you've bought into the Bush propaganda thats right Rumsfeld never said there were weapons of mass destruction it's an urban myth :p You tell people something enough the start to believe it hey Jim :roll:
 

Reverend Blair

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They've had to shift the message, Mom. See it turns out that all of their other justifications were lies and that makes the Bush regime WAR CRIMINALS as well as LIARS. They are getting nervous.
 

jimmoyer

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The Bush administration lied about the WMD.

Will you the voter and your country stop hiding behind that as an excuse to let this new fledgling country keep twisting in the wind?

Your approach would have let a former status quo fester all to the benefit of Iraqi citizens before this war as well as after this war.
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: WHY THE WORLD DOESN'T

The Bush administration lied about WMD.

The Bush administration lied about ties to 9-11.

The Bush administration failed to anything about looting.

The Bush administration privatized the Iraqi oil fields against both international and US military laws of occupation.

The Bush administration uses banned weapons like DU and napalm.

The Bush administration has taken away Iraqi farmers' right to save seeds for future crops.

The Bush administration has killed thousands of Iraqi civilians.

The Bush administration has installed an ineffective Iraqi government.

The Bush administration has attacked the UN, the only organization that could have built consensus to get truly multilateral help in Iraq.

The Bush administration has killed foreign reporters.

The Bush administration has killed foreign agents.


Has it ever occurred to you, Jim, that if the US was to step back and offer to pay for a UN mission that included NO Americans, that you might get a lot of countries willing to help in Iraq? As long as the US is in Iraq, other countries will be at best ambivalent about cooperating because they do not wish to be connected with the actions of the Bush regime.
 

jimmoyer

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That last paragraph of yours is a good question.

But what you ask is in a sense happening already, detail by detail. For example that story on the Siemens generator, the MOAG, or regarding all other infrastructure.

So it is already happening without Europeans losing their lives. You know as well as I do that your question predicates a fiction: That Europe wants to take over the military security while they rebuild Iraq.

I don't think so Rev.

You really really haven't thought that one through.

But I'll guarrantee you will fall back with your tried and true excuse that America made a mess and so the world is allowed to sit on the sideliness without helping a new country stabilize, emerge, and have a new real chance.

That simply tells me that the world really really doesn't care.

Whether Iraq makes it or not.

They care and wish for America to fail.

For them, for you, it's not about Iraq succeeding.

It's all about America failing.

Love it.
 

Reverend Blair

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For them, for you, it's not about Iraq succeeding.

It's all about America failing.

That isn't true at all though, is it? Canada has RCMP training police. Virtually every country in the developed world has given aid in the form of cash. Several countries, including Canada, sent people to monitor the elections. The UN has been involved since the very beginning and virtually every country in the world supports the UN. NGOs from everywhere are contributing in a variety of ways.

See...those are all ways of helping Iraq succeed.

Your real complaint is that we are not helping the Americans to succeed with their military and economic goals. We keep criticizing you for the invasion, the occupation, your war crimes, the laws Paul Bremer foisted on the Iraqi people (which will make it difficult for them to succeed), and so on. That irks the hell out of you because you do not believe that Iraq should succeed unless it is under your control.

Too bad.
 

jimmoyer

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Not one of your voters will allow you to take over if we leave. Your premise is hollow.

The world is just doing fine selling product and doing safe measures all without the risk.

You think they'll let the UN or NATO run things if America leaves?

Canada will vote to put their young in harm's way?

What a fiction.
 

Reverend Blair

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You lost, Jimmy. Unless you can prove that what I said about the aid that the world is giving isn't true. You can't prove that though, because it is true.

The world wants Iraq to succeed. Hell, the UN has done more to spread democracy in this world than any country ever has. They would have more success at it without the US meddling in everything while trying to undermine them though.
 

no1important

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Neither do I. The US has made the situation far worse than it was under Saddam. It should be a lot better but it is not.

It so sickening to see what is really going on there. Bush needs to be tried, convicted, then hung as a war criminal, asap.


btw mrmom2 you sure come up some real good links.:wink: