why not "third level government" for natives?
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RE: why not "third level
That depends on the agreement and the structures in place. This is a very complicated issue because treaties vary and there are already several governing bodies involved with most bands, from band councils to provincial groups to the federal body.
You also have the involvement of the federal government and, to a far lesser extent, the provinces. Even self governing native groups would still have to deal with provincial and federal governments.
Other issues, like land claims and the need to establish urban reserves, bring in municipal governments as well.
Self government is an excellent idea, but it has to be done properly.
That depends on the agreement and the structures in place. This is a very complicated issue because treaties vary and there are already several governing bodies involved with most bands, from band councils to provincial groups to the federal body.
You also have the involvement of the federal government and, to a far lesser extent, the provinces. Even self governing native groups would still have to deal with provincial and federal governments.
Other issues, like land claims and the need to establish urban reserves, bring in municipal governments as well.
Self government is an excellent idea, but it has to be done properly.
RE: why not "third level
My question would be...Is self-government the same as self-sustaining government? Would the 'self-governors" have the ability to levy taxes, to adopt new laws? Would the sel-'governors be dependent on Ottawa and the provinces for transfers of money?
My question would be...Is self-government the same as self-sustaining government? Would the 'self-governors" have the ability to levy taxes, to adopt new laws? Would the sel-'governors be dependent on Ottawa and the provinces for transfers of money?
Sure, sounds great.
How about we tackle that one after we resolve federal and provincial division of powers in a manner that allows for both federalist need to build a strong modern state and ensure equallity and minority rights, while recognizing the need for increased provincial autonomy.
How about we tackle that one after we resolve federal and provincial division of powers in a manner that allows for both federalist need to build a strong modern state and ensure equallity and minority rights, while recognizing the need for increased provincial autonomy.
RE: why not "third level
Might as well do it all at once, Left Coast. At least enough to get the basic formula down. Native self-government will come eventually and it will be someplace between the municipal and federal levels. My guess is that there will be some facets similar to municipal, some similar to provincial, and some that aren't comparable to anything we have now.
Might as well do it all at once, Left Coast. At least enough to get the basic formula down. Native self-government will come eventually and it will be someplace between the municipal and federal levels. My guess is that there will be some facets similar to municipal, some similar to provincial, and some that aren't comparable to anything we have now.
RE: why not "third level
Well, the only hopeful thing is that municipal governments are not allowed to run deficits...so,the native taxpayer will have to pick up the tab,the same as I do.
Well, the only hopeful thing is that municipal governments are not allowed to run deficits...so,the native taxpayer will have to pick up the tab,the same as I do.
Native self government will only come on a case by case basis, and the process is long and tedious so we won't be done with it anytime soon.
Due to the complexity of our federal system, in tandem with convoluted land claims, it is unfeasible to have a blanket "level of government" for native bands. Each one is going to have to separately negotiate a deal and extract itself from the Indian Act (which is what's happening right now, although very very slowly). There is no way we can just replace the Indian Act with something else, because although the IA is flawed badly, there is no alternative that could deal with the diverse issues facing different bands.
I once thought it would be possible to bring in a 3rd level of government to the constitution too, what with cities getting a lot of press and growing in importance to the economy. That may happen for cities, but I do not think that native tribes will be tacked on. They will negotiate individual city-like agreements one by one.
Due to the complexity of our federal system, in tandem with convoluted land claims, it is unfeasible to have a blanket "level of government" for native bands. Each one is going to have to separately negotiate a deal and extract itself from the Indian Act (which is what's happening right now, although very very slowly). There is no way we can just replace the Indian Act with something else, because although the IA is flawed badly, there is no alternative that could deal with the diverse issues facing different bands.
I once thought it would be possible to bring in a 3rd level of government to the constitution too, what with cities getting a lot of press and growing in importance to the economy. That may happen for cities, but I do not think that native tribes will be tacked on. They will negotiate individual city-like agreements one by one.
what's "third level government"? I have never heard of before? who can explain.
Thanks.
Third level government refers to government that is not provincial or federal, Lance. In this case it refers to native government, but is a bit of a misnomer because it gives the impression that native government would have powers below the provincial level, much like municipal governments.
That may well be the case on an individual band level once the decisions are all made, but there may be provinicial, regional, and federal facets to native self-government as well. There are Grand Chiefs for every province already, for instance, and a Grand Chief for Canada. That's not even getting into Metis issues...those are going to get big soon.
In other words, nobody really knows what it will mean in this context yet. It will be messy though.
Yeh self government is a good thing for all so called treaty people that have band to call home! This is a personal issue for my family and I. But yes it will happen band to band, meaning each band or "tribe" what have you will get thier own self governing and yes as far as I know Slave Lake 1st nations of Lesser Slave Lake, Alberta Canada are leading the way to self government for 1st nations people, at this time, along with a few others by thier sides are the Blood first nations and the sikasika(not sure of exact spelling) first nation by Calgary Alberta. They are paving the path for other tribes to have an affordable means of attaining self governemnt. in other words the weathier bands are going to pave the way for the lower class bands of 1 nations. They are doing this by setting out, and outlining what will happen, how 1st nations want to control and sustain self governement and so on an so forth. For example self government will be run on the land called the "reserve" at a muncipal level but will have thier own policing, hospitals, postal, courts, jail, etc...so alittle higher government then municipal, but not higher then federal, but as a 1st nations person I know that the 1st nation people would like to accomplish with self governement not only self reliance but to see a second priminister<sorta say> to stand along with the "white one", and have just as much say. This is a long term goal. First at hand in order to be self sustaining land claims have to be settled and the queen and the federal government could never, but maybe in a hundred years settle all the land claims against them. After that to be a self sustaining nation will take education of our youth from the european schooling system, as well as thier own cultural teaching (because without mother earth we have nothing!) We must prepare our children for a new Canada, a Canada full of a proud nation of 1st nations, rather then the typical view of the "indian person" this generation has and the gereations before them! You all know it ..."oh indians are drunks or indians are dirty", you know just like how east indians are pakis, that stereotyping. Well I say things change and if you look at history the 1st nations people fight with alcoholism is a great battle that is being won much quick then other nations like the irish, english, and so on. But anyhooo, back to self government here are two names I would look out for in as for leading ladies in our self governement pursuit.
Bertha L'Hirondale and Mrs. Walter Twinn could be 1 n some of them spell 1 n some 2 .
oh and did y'all know that 1st nations women gathered among themselves within the band and had meetings and made the decisions for the band as a whole. The leader of the clan mothers would then tell the "man" Chief what had to be done...LOL
RainbowChild
Bertha L'Hirondale and Mrs. Walter Twinn could be 1 n some of them spell 1 n some 2 .
oh and did y'all know that 1st nations women gathered among themselves within the band and had meetings and made the decisions for the band as a whole. The leader of the clan mothers would then tell the "man" Chief what had to be done...LOL
RainbowChild