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Ron in Regina

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As Conservatives gather in Quebec City for their first convention with Pierre Poilievre as leader, they’re buoyed by polls showing them with a commanding lead over the Liberal Party of Justin Trudeau.

After eight years of Liberal government, Canadians are smarting from soaring inflation, the high cost of everything and a divisiveness within our nation that’s fuelled by self-appointed activists telling us how to live our lives.
1694272613224.jpegFresh from a visit to Beijing, Liberal Environment Minister Steven Guilbeault appeared at the doorstep of Quebec City’s convention centre on Friday to crash the Conservative party’s national convention and call leader Pierre Poilievre a climate denier.

“Frankly, it’s very easy to attack Pierre Poilievre on the environment,” Guilbeault said, adding that Poilievre is “someone who claims to be a political leader in 2023 who does not even believe in climate change, who does not believe that we should be doing anything about climate change”.
It is almost impossible to raise any cautionary note on the subject of climate change without being deluged with accusations of Neanderthal obtuseness, perversity and wickedness. The facts remain that it is extremely hard to measure the temperature of the world because of the many thousands of thermometers all over the world’s surface that have to be shaded from the sun and monitored precisely over a long period. It appears that the temperature of the world has increased by approximately one centigrade degree since the late 19th century. This is within estimates of fluctuations in the climate cycle.

The Abacus Data poll found that “rising cost of living” was by far the number one issue for Canadians under 40.

Environment and climate change, a top Millennial issue when the Liberals took office, is now rapidly receding into the background. Just 23 per cent of Millennials named “climate change” as one of their top three political issues — the lowest result among any age demographic.
Everyone is opposed to pollution, but most people are also against imposing heavy and unnecessary increases in the cost of living, especially to people of modest means unable to afford it. Canada’s carbon footprint is less than two per cent (1.6%) of the world’s total and our environmental record is highly competitive.
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We have been swept up in a carnival of faddish agitation for unattainable goals in reduction of carbon emissions in pursuit of an unnecessary objective and at colossal expense and hardship to ourselves. It is a new and formidable illustration of the madness of crowds: a general hysteria that oppresses dissenters and is propagated for the most part by sincere but misguided people.

To return to Steven Guilbeault, last week in an interview with Canadian Press he deliberately misrepresented an unexceptionable statement by the chief executive officer of the large oil company, Suncor Energy, Rich Kruger, as an announcement that “he is basically disengaging from climate change and sustainability, that he is going to focus on short-term profit, it’s all the wrong answers.”

It is also not what he said, but the minister took it as a pretext to justify an artificial cap on oil and gas emissions. He proposes deliberate reductions in oil and gas production, reducing the profits of Canadian energy companies, increasing the cost of gasoline and home heating fuel for Canadians, and replacing artificially depressed Canadian production with costly imports from countries not tormented by such nostrums, some of them politically disreputable despotisms.

The oil and gas industry produces about 10 per cent of Canada’s GDP. We should maximize production and exports and supply our Western oil to Eastern Canada. Canada would perform an inestimable service to the world if it led a revolt against the fetishistic and idolatrous pursuit of an impossible goal based on false climate terror, while zealously protecting our environment.
 

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As Conservatives gather in Quebec City for their first convention with Pierre Poilievre as leader, they’re buoyed by polls showing them with a commanding lead over the Liberal Party of Justin Trudeau.

After eight years of Liberal government, Canadians are smarting from soaring inflation, the high cost of everything and a divisiveness within our nation that’s fuelled by self-appointed activists telling us how to live our lives.
View attachment 19248Fresh from a visit to Beijing, Liberal Environment Minister Steven Guilbeault appeared at the doorstep of Quebec City’s convention centre on Friday to crash the Conservative party’s national convention and call leader Pierre Poilievre a climate denier.

“Frankly, it’s very easy to attack Pierre Poilievre on the environment,” Guilbeault said, adding that Poilievre is “someone who claims to be a political leader in 2023 who does not even believe in climate change, who does not believe that we should be doing anything about climate change”.
It is almost impossible to raise any cautionary note on the subject of climate change without being deluged with accusations of Neanderthal obtuseness, perversity and wickedness. The facts remain that it is extremely hard to measure the temperature of the world because of the many thousands of thermometers all over the world’s surface that have to be shaded from the sun and monitored precisely over a long period. It appears that the temperature of the world has increased by approximately one centigrade degree since the late 19th century. This is within estimates of fluctuations in the climate cycle.

The Abacus Data poll found that “rising cost of living” was by far the number one issue for Canadians under 40.

Environment and climate change, a top Millennial issue when the Liberals took office, is now rapidly receding into the background. Just 23 per cent of Millennials named “climate change” as one of their top three political issues — the lowest result among any age demographic.
Everyone is opposed to pollution, but most people are also against imposing heavy and unnecessary increases in the cost of living, especially to people of modest means unable to afford it. Canada’s carbon footprint is less than two per cent (1.6%) of the world’s total and our environmental record is highly competitive.
View attachment 19249
We have been swept up in a carnival of faddish agitation for unattainable goals in reduction of carbon emissions in pursuit of an unnecessary objective and at colossal expense and hardship to ourselves. It is a new and formidable illustration of the madness of crowds: a general hysteria that oppresses dissenters and is propagated for the most part by sincere but misguided people.

To return to Steven Guilbeault, last week in an interview with Canadian Press he deliberately misrepresented an unexceptionable statement by the chief executive officer of the large oil company, Suncor Energy, Rich Kruger, as an announcement that “he is basically disengaging from climate change and sustainability, that he is going to focus on short-term profit, it’s all the wrong answers.”

It is also not what he said, but the minister took it as a pretext to justify an artificial cap on oil and gas emissions. He proposes deliberate reductions in oil and gas production, reducing the profits of Canadian energy companies, increasing the cost of gasoline and home heating fuel for Canadians, and replacing artificially depressed Canadian production with costly imports from countries not tormented by such nostrums, some of them politically disreputable despotisms.

The oil and gas industry produces about 10 per cent of Canada’s GDP. We should maximize production and exports and supply our Western oil to Eastern Canada. Canada would perform an inestimable service to the world if it led a revolt against the fetishistic and idolatrous pursuit of an impossible goal based on false climate terror, while zealously protecting our environment.
Fuck you Steve and your religion.
 

Taxslave2

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As Conservatives gather in Quebec City for their first convention with Pierre Poilievre as leader, they’re buoyed by polls showing them with a commanding lead over the Liberal Party of Justin Trudeau.

After eight years of Liberal government, Canadians are smarting from soaring inflation, the high cost of everything and a divisiveness within our nation that’s fuelled by self-appointed activists telling us how to live our lives.
View attachment 19248Fresh from a visit to Beijing, Liberal Environment Minister Steven Guilbeault appeared at the doorstep of Quebec City’s convention centre on Friday to crash the Conservative party’s national convention and call leader Pierre Poilievre a climate denier.

“Frankly, it’s very easy to attack Pierre Poilievre on the environment,” Guilbeault said, adding that Poilievre is “someone who claims to be a political leader in 2023 who does not even believe in climate change, who does not believe that we should be doing anything about climate change”.
It is almost impossible to raise any cautionary note on the subject of climate change without being deluged with accusations of Neanderthal obtuseness, perversity and wickedness. The facts remain that it is extremely hard to measure the temperature of the world because of the many thousands of thermometers all over the world’s surface that have to be shaded from the sun and monitored precisely over a long period. It appears that the temperature of the world has increased by approximately one centigrade degree since the late 19th century. This is within estimates of fluctuations in the climate cycle.

The Abacus Data poll found that “rising cost of living” was by far the number one issue for Canadians under 40.

Environment and climate change, a top Millennial issue when the Liberals took office, is now rapidly receding into the background. Just 23 per cent of Millennials named “climate change” as one of their top three political issues — the lowest result among any age demographic.
Everyone is opposed to pollution, but most people are also against imposing heavy and unnecessary increases in the cost of living, especially to people of modest means unable to afford it. Canada’s carbon footprint is less than two per cent (1.6%) of the world’s total and our environmental record is highly competitive.
View attachment 19249
We have been swept up in a carnival of faddish agitation for unattainable goals in reduction of carbon emissions in pursuit of an unnecessary objective and at colossal expense and hardship to ourselves. It is a new and formidable illustration of the madness of crowds: a general hysteria that oppresses dissenters and is propagated for the most part by sincere but misguided people.

To return to Steven Guilbeault, last week in an interview with Canadian Press he deliberately misrepresented an unexceptionable statement by the chief executive officer of the large oil company, Suncor Energy, Rich Kruger, as an announcement that “he is basically disengaging from climate change and sustainability, that he is going to focus on short-term profit, it’s all the wrong answers.”

It is also not what he said, but the minister took it as a pretext to justify an artificial cap on oil and gas emissions. He proposes deliberate reductions in oil and gas production, reducing the profits of Canadian energy companies, increasing the cost of gasoline and home heating fuel for Canadians, and replacing artificially depressed Canadian production with costly imports from countries not tormented by such nostrums, some of them politically disreputable despotisms.

The oil and gas industry produces about 10 per cent of Canada’s GDP. We should maximize production and exports and supply our Western oil to Eastern Canada. Canada would perform an inestimable service to the world if it led a revolt against the fetishistic and idolatrous pursuit of an impossible goal based on false climate terror, while zealously protecting our environment.
A deliberate and lame attempt to keep the economy in the west from overtaking the taxpayer financed economies of OntariOWE and Kweebek.
 
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Funny how Stevie whines about Poilievre's stand on AGW after coming back from a country whose ass the Liberals love to kiss, that burns coal like a mother fucker and best of all, a lot of the coal they dig up themselves in Mongolia is highly radioactive. Which is then shipped to coal-fired power plants across China.
It's to the point where one Chinese official is deeply concerned. Not about the radioactive pollution, not abut the people who are suffering terribly as a result, but the destruction of uranium that could be used for NPPs and weapons.

This is who our govt looks up to when it comes to the environment.

Same with the Three Gorges Dam. The CCP was warned even before the ground was broken that building that dam was a terrible idea from an environmental standpoint. One Chinese scientist even wrote up a list of 12 thing that would happen if the dam was built, and none of them were good things. Well, 11 of those things have been checked off: worsening droughts, heavier rains, heavier and more frequent flooding, landslides, earthquakes and other forms of subsidence. Worsening water quality, higher levels of silt a few others that slip my mind. The only thing that hasn't happened yet that was predicted was the destruction of the dam itself, either by failure of the dam from shoddy construction or the intentional destruction of the dam due to war or terrorism.

But this is who our govt looks up to when it comes to the environment.
 

Jinentonix

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Well, it's been a year now. Funny how we haven't heard a peep since about any hydrogen facilities. No word on breaking ground. Oh wait, I forgot, this is now Trudeau's Canada, so it'll take about 10 years just for the approval process. Then another 10 years for the Natives to decide if they'll let it get built and finally some activists will come along and decide that hydrogen is just too dangerous and it will be scrapped.
 

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too bad we can't just scrap some of those people.... or ship the to china, I mean... especially the politician class.
 
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Well, it's been a year now. Funny how we haven't heard a peep since about any hydrogen facilities. No word on breaking ground. Oh wait, I forgot, this is now Trudeau's Canada, so it'll take about 10 years just for the approval process. Then another 10 years for the Natives to decide if they'll let it get built and finally some activists will come along and decide that hydrogen is just too dangerous and it will be scrapped.
Because theyll be making ammonia instead of hydrogen. Did you miss the switcheroo?

Banning ammonia fertilizer use but making it from wind to be used as a carrier for hydrogen shipping in vessels and pipelines.


Newfoundland & Labrador

Company proposing multibillion-dollar wind-to-ammonia project for central Newfoundland

Proposal is the latest project to request use of former Abitibi lands
CBC News

Posted: February 21, 2023
 

Ron in Regina

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Funny how Stevie whines about Poilievre's stand on AGW after coming back from a country whose ass the Liberals love to kiss, that burns coal like a mother fucker and best of all, a lot of the coal they dig up themselves in Mongolia is highly radioactive. Which is then shipped to coal-fired power plants across China.
Environment Minister Steven Guilbeault showed up outside the convention hall itself to claim Poilievre’s conservatives are all climate change deniers who detest environmentalists and have zero plan for change.

Meanwhile, inside the hall, there was a concentrated campaign by delegates, many of them millennials, to pass “deeply blue, intelligently green” environmental policies. And they did, overwhelmingly.
It's to the point where one Chinese official is deeply concerned. Not about the radioactive pollution, not abut the people who are suffering terribly as a result, but the destruction of uranium that could be used for NPPs and weapons.

This is who our govt looks up to when it comes to the environment.

Same with the Three Gorges Dam. The CCP was warned even before the ground was broken that building that dam was a terrible idea from an environmental standpoint. One Chinese scientist even wrote up a list of 12 thing that would happen if the dam was built, and none of them were good things. Well, 11 of those things have been checked off: worsening droughts, heavier rains, heavier and more frequent flooding, landslides, earthquakes and other forms of subsidence. Worsening water quality, higher levels of silt a few others that slip my mind. The only thing that hasn't happened yet that was predicted was the destruction of the dam itself, either by failure of the dam from shoddy construction or the intentional destruction of the dam due to war or terrorism.

But this is who our govt looks up to when it comes to the environment.
These fumbles add up. At first you’re out of touch. Then you’re incompetent. The worst, though, is when your party becomes a cringe-worthy joke practically begging to be meme’d. We’ve reached that point, & I do love a good Meme!
 

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Environment Minister Steven Guilbeault showed up outside the convention hall itself to claim Poilievre’s conservatives are all climate change deniers who detest environmentalists and have zero plan for change.
Kinda the flip-side of conservative assholes shrieking that True Dope is a Chinese agent.

No shortage of stupid and hysterical on any side.
 
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Ron in Regina

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Kinda the flip-side of conservative assholes shrieking that True Dope is a Chinese agent.

No shortage of stupid and hysterical on any side.
Let see what happens if the 2019 & 2021 federal elections are actually looked at by an “Independent” public inquiry in the light of day….assuming an election isn’t called, or Parliament ‘Perogied’ before anything becomes public cancelling the inquiry…then we can compare apples to apples.
 
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Ron in Regina

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Over the past two decades, European climate policies have heavily favoured renewable energy sources (mainly wind and solar power) at the expense of nuclear and fossil fuels.

While renewables hold promise, they can’t always meet the continent’s power demands because they’re not always available. In 2021, for example, some parts of Europe experienced less sunshine and wind than expected, leading to increased reliance on natural gas for backup power.

But European climate policies also simultaneously reduced domestic natural gas production. This imbalance between rising demand and lower domestic production led to a sharp spike in gas prices, causing European electricity bills to skyrocket by up to 470% between 2020 and 2021 — all before Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. Sanctions imposed on Russian trade further exacerbated the crisis in 2022, doubling natural gas bills for some Europeans.

Suddenly, Europe was urgently storing gas and resorting to carbon-intensive solutions such as restarting coal-fired power plants and burning wood. While the continent’s climate policies were designed to intentionally increase prices for fossil fuels and encourage the adoption of renewables to reduce greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions, the surge in energy prices forced the region to revert to coal, a power source that emits 50% more GHG than natural gas.

Moreover, due to soaring energy prices, energy-intensive industries had to scale back or halt production, severely impacting the continent’s economy. Electricity demand in 2022 fell by 3% in the European Union while it grew by 2% worldwide. Consequently, Europe slid into recession, with Germany, its largest economy, still grappling with stagnation in the second quarter of 2023.

In recent weeks, European gas prices have surged by more than 40%, reaching nearly 40 Euros (roughly C$57) per megawatt-hour, a common measure of electricity output.

Astonishingly, despite these soaring costs, Europe remains committed to its current course. The Netherlands plans to shut down the Groningen gas field, the world’s 10th-largest, by Oct. 1 of this year, despite its ample reserves capable of meeting Europe’s annual gas needs.

Any move to further limit natural gas production will likely exacerbate Europe’s energy crisis.

Canada must take heed and chart a different course. Like Europe, the Trudeau government has implemented ambitious climate policies, including a $170-per tonne carbon tax by 2030 and a GHG cap imposed on the oil and gas industry, to phase out fossil fuels and transition to renewables.

But Canadians should understand a fundamental reality — nature is unpredictable, and renewable sources such as wind and solar are not always available. Without a reliable backup (i.e. natural gas), Canadians will face higher energy costs and economic challenges, just like Europeans.

Policymakers in Ottawa must change course to ensure Canada’s energy security is not left to chance.
 
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Astonishingly, despite these soaring costs, Europe remains committed to its current course. The Netherlands plans to shut down the Groningen gas field, the world’s 10th-largest, by Oct. 1 of this year, despite its ample reserves capable of meeting Europe’s annual gas needs.
Anyone that stupid deserves to freeze in the dark.
 
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