Toronto councillors vote to rename Dundas St.

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Have you noticed they don't go after Spanish, French, Lebanese, Indian, Canton or Dutch "colonists"?
Yup Galiano , Cortes , Valdes ,and many others were responsible for the destruction of actual civilizations in Central and South America in the pursuit of gold, silver and souls .
 

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Toronto councillors vote to rename Dundas St.
'This is an important moment'

Author of the article:Kevin Connor
Publishing date:Jul 15, 2021 • 5 hours ago • 2 minute read • 349 Comments
A street sign for Dundas St. W. in Toronto, Ont. on Wednesday June 10, 2020.
A street sign for Dundas St. W. in Toronto, Ont. on Wednesday June 10, 2020. PHOTO BY ERNEST DOROSZUK /Toronto Sun
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Toronto City Council voted on Wednesday in favour of renaming Dundas St. and now faces the task of coming up with a new name.

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Henry Dundas was a Scottish politician who played a role in delaying the abolition of the transatlantic slave trade in the late 1700s.


The name Dundas is hurtful to the Black and Indigenous population in the city, council has heard.

Dundas doesn’t deserve the recognition, said Mayor John Tory.

“We are at a moment in time in history to show leadership,” Tory said.

“This is an important moment … to take away the pain. You can never go wrong doing the right thing.”

City staff consulted with 25 Black and Indigenous community leaders as well as BIAs and now are planning the next steps for a public process to rename the street.

Dundas has 90,000 addresses on the street with 4,500 businesses and 60 of those carry the name Dundas.

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City manager Chis Murray says businesses with Dundas in the name won’t be required to change that.

In the fall, the city will reach out to all Torontonians who were to be involved in the name change and provide information on how they can participate.

There are 60 other streets where the city is reviewing if their name should be changed.

There were 14,00 names on the petition that got the ball rolling to rename Dundas, where 97,000 residents live.


Coun. Stephen Holyday unsuccessfully urged council to send the issue back to the city manager to seek more options because he worried about the precedent that would be set by renaming the street.

“Not enough people were consulted. Some effort has to be made to consult them,” Holyday said.

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The city estimates it will cost between $5 million and $6 million to change street signs and other city properties with the name Dundas.
All the money they are going to spend changing street names would be better spent doing something about the homeless and the high crime rate.........but what the hell...........feelings are involved and they trump anything else.
 

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LILLEY: Public supports renaming Dundas St. until they look at the cost
Author of the article:Brian Lilley
Publishing date:Jul 21, 2021 • 5 hours ago • 3 minute read • 18 Comments
An eastbound TTC streetcar makes its way along Dundas Street West in Toronto.
An eastbound TTC streetcar makes its way along Dundas Street West in Toronto. PHOTO BY ERNEST DOROSZUK /TORONTO SUN
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Down with Dundas! Rename the street! Who wants things named for old dead white guys anyway!

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Oh, wait, it will cost money? It will cause problems?


A new poll of Toronto residents by Maru Public Opinion shows that people can be fickle on renaming things even when the claim is that those things were named for people who supported slavery. It turns out, people don’t like all the costs associated with changing one of the biggest and most important streets in the city.

A poll of Toronto residents taken over the past couple of weeks shows a slight majority, 55% of respondents, favour renaming Dundas St. and Dundas Square. That majority is led by the young, the rich, and the woke.

Those aged 18-34 are most likely to support the name change at 74%, followed by those who are the most educated at 65%, and those with the highest annual income of $100,000 per year or more at 64%. The support for changing the name drops, though, once people think about the cost to both government and those living and working on the street about to be renamed.

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Once those factors are presented, suddenly, a majority of 61% oppose the city renaming Dundas St. and Dundas Square. Those aged 18–34 still offer up strong support for renaming at 63% but those who are the highest educated drop from 65% support to 48%, while those earning over $100,000 per year drop their support from 64% to 40%.

Pollster John Wright thinks that it’s less about the cost to taxpayers and more about the practical nuts and bolts of changing a major street name.

“I think that’s when the rubber meets the road. Just imagine your health card, driver’s license, credit card and everything else,” Wright said Wednesday.

Wright is on the money here.

The cost of renaming Dundas St., Yonge-Dundas Square, two subway stations, and more is pegged at $5.1 million to $6.3 million dollars. Governments spending money is nothing new; they do it all the time and often in ways that would make a drunken sailor blush.

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But having to change every card, legal document, mortgage, business card, and more … that hits people.

A city staff report states that there at 4,970 properties on Dundas St. as well as 4,510 businesses, 48,975 dwellings, and 97,673 residents.

Add to this the fact that there are 60 more streets that city staff have said, “could require further examination,” including 12 named for slave owners, and you start to see that this could be an extremely long and cumbersome process.


Other streets that might need to be renamed, if we continue on this path, include Yonge St., Jarvis St., and Wellesley St. — all of which were named for people with stronger ties to slavery and the slave trade than Henry Dundas. Yet, it’s likely most Toronto residents could not have told you who Henry Dundas was or that the street was named for him — most in this city don’t know that these streets are named for long-dead people.

Is it really honouring these men to leave the street names in place if no one knows who George Yonge, William Jarvis or Arthur Wellesley were?

I’m always in favour of looking at the fullness of history — the good, the bad, and the ugly — and learning from it. That applies to these street names. We’d be far better off spending all those tax dollars on things that mattered, including reconciliation efforts.

Few people from the past look good through today’s lens.

All changing the street names will accomplish is making the young, the rich and the woke feel better without actually improving society.
“I think that’s when the rubber meets the road. Just imagine your health card, driver’s license, credit card and everything else,” Wright said Wednesday.
 

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Renaming of Dundas Street still draws criticism: Councillor Stephen Holyday
Author of the article:Antonella Artuso
Publishing date:Nov 13, 2022 • 19 hours ago • 3 minute read • 126 Comments
Many Toronto residents continue to be outraged over city council's decision to rename Dundas St., Councillor Stephen Holyday says.
Toronto council is poised to change the name of Dundas St. early next year. PHOTO BY ERNEST DOROSZUK /Toronto Sun
Many Toronto residents continue to be outraged over city council’s decision to rename Dundas St., Councillor Stephen Holyday says.


The move to erase Henry Dundas from the city map — new names for the street will be considered in early 2023 — is not the approach taken by several other jurisdictions struggling with the Scottish politician’s record.


“In eight years, I have never seen an issue as controversial as this,” Holyday said. “And I have and continue to receive ad hoc correspondence and comments from people that don’t normally get involved in politics and civics expressing their concern and their outrage on how council has approached this.”

In Edinburgh, Scotland, the Melville monument bearing Dundas’ name now carries a plaque that acknowledges his role in delaying the abolition of the British slave trade, although a debate rages among historians as to his motives and whether he carries the entire fault.


Mississauga — told it would cost the city $1.8 million to rename its section of Dundas St. — and other municipalities facing the same decision have not opted to change the names at this time, arguing in part that the funds would be better spent directly on initiatives to promote diversity and inclusion.

Toronto Council accepted the $6.3 million cost of renaming Dundas and rebranding Yonge-Dundas Square. That total doesn’t include the cost or recognize the inconvenience that those living on or operating a business on Dundas St. will incur as they are required to update identification and make other changes once the street has a new name.

Holyday said that as a member of council, he received an informational report that highlighted other potentially problematic street names that have been criticized by members of the public, academics or media reports, including Yonge St., Wellesley St., Vaughan Rd., Simcoe St., Russell Hill Rd., Jarvis St., Baby Point Rd. and Indian Rd.


“I’ve seen a list of 60 names that were gathered organically through public sources and so on of names that were questionable,” Holyday said. “And I think much of the conversation has been around racism and colonialism, but you can expand the renaming policy and anticipate how wide this could become in the future… as the world and society changes around us.”

Holyday said he fears the city will receive a “cascade of requests,” triggering a lot of work and public angst.

Mayor John Tory supported the Dundas St. name change, noting at an executive committee meeting last summer that in addition to all the other problems with the Dundas legacy, the city is honoring a man who had no connection to Canada.

“He’s looking forward to getting an update from city staff on this issue in the new term,” Tory spokesperson Don Peat said this week in an email. “The work being done by staff will ensure we’re dealing with this decision in the best way possible going forward.”


In a letter presented to the executive committee, Toronto District School Board (TDSB) teacher Michelle Munk, whose students created a petition to rename Dundas Street Public School, said her class explored British North America’s involvement in the transatlantic slave trade.

“We learned about Henry Dundas, and his efforts to obstruct the abolition of slavery… During that 15-year period, it has been calculated that 600,000 people from Africa or of African descent were enslaved,” Munk said.

Resident Greg Sheehan said that as someone who grew up adjacent to Dundas St., the name that is part of his and many other’s history should stand.

“I believe it would be appropriate to add signage describing the history of Henry Dundas, but to change the name of Dundas St. and other locations bearing his name on the basis of a petition from .005% of the city’s population is unwarranted,” Sheehan said in his letter.

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Toronto councillors vote to rename Dundas St.
'This is an important moment'

Author of the article:Kevin Connor
Publishing date:Jul 15, 2021 • 5 hours ago • 2 minute read • 349 Comments
A street sign for Dundas St. W. in Toronto, Ont. on Wednesday June 10, 2020.
A street sign for Dundas St. W. in Toronto, Ont. on Wednesday June 10, 2020. PHOTO BY ERNEST DOROSZUK /Toronto Sun
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Toronto City Council voted on Wednesday in favour of renaming Dundas St. and now faces the task of coming up with a new name.

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Henry Dundas was a Scottish politician who played a role in delaying the abolition of the transatlantic slave trade in the late 1700s.


The name Dundas is hurtful to the Black and Indigenous population in the city, council has heard.

Dundas doesn’t deserve the recognition, said Mayor John Tory.

“We are at a moment in time in history to show leadership,” Tory said.

“This is an important moment … to take away the pain. You can never go wrong doing the right thing.”

City staff consulted with 25 Black and Indigenous community leaders as well as BIAs and now are planning the next steps for a public process to rename the street.

Dundas has 90,000 addresses on the street with 4,500 businesses and 60 of those carry the name Dundas.

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City manager Chis Murray says businesses with Dundas in the name won’t be required to change that.

In the fall, the city will reach out to all Torontonians who were to be involved in the name change and provide information on how they can participate.

There are 60 other streets where the city is reviewing if their name should be changed.

There were 14,00 names on the petition that got the ball rolling to rename Dundas, where 97,000 residents live.


Coun. Stephen Holyday unsuccessfully urged council to send the issue back to the city manager to seek more options because he worried about the precedent that would be set by renaming the street.

“Not enough people were consulted. Some effort has to be made to consult them,” Holyday said.

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A street sign for Dundas St. W. in Toronto, Ont. on Wednesday June 10, 2020.
LEVY: Is Dundas St. to become the new Woke Way?
Sir Henry Dundas
BRAUN: What's in a name? Negative associations, if it's Henry Dundas
A street sign for Dundas St. W. in Toronto, Ont. on Wednesday, June 10, 2020. Henry Dundas opposed the abolition efforts of people like William Wilberforce in the British Parliament. Should the street be renamed?
Tory's executive committee takes next step to renaming Dundas St.

The city estimates it will cost between $5 million and $6 million to change street signs and other city properties with the name Dundas.

Good old comrade John Tory. The destroyer of all things conservative, decent and moral. This is just another attack on our white British culture in order to try and wipeout anything that has to do with our white British culture here in Canada. Maybe they should change the name from Dundas to Khadr? Maybe that 10 million bucks that Khadr the killer terrorist got from the taxpayer suckers of Canada could help pay for the costs to change the name.

Ah yes. Multiculturalism and diversity. Isn't it just grand. Implement and make those two parts of your communist agenda for a country in order to help commit cultural genocide and watch that country's traditions, culture and heritage go by the way of the dodo bird. Old whitey is pretty much now getting phkd in his/her own white homeland of Canada, and most white people appear to not even give a shit at all. Probably in the near future, being white looking will be found to be very offensive to non-whites and we will have to go blackface just to try and fit in so as not to be seen as one of those old whitey racists.

And with our massive non-white immigration policy of today is allowed to continue, which favors approx. 80% of non-white immigration how much longer will it be before old whitey has a chance to survive at all any longer in his/her own white homeland. White people are being replaced slowly but surely in Canada. Believe it or not.

And as you pointed out above. I wonder as to how much it is going to cost to have to change the 90,000 addresses and the 45,000 businesses that carry the name Dundas with those addresses and businesses. Can anyone guess?

But as the politicians will always say? Let the white peasants eat cake and shut the phuk up. We are changing Canada for the worse and you will not be allowed to have a say as to what we globalists politicians have planned for Canada. We politicians will like it, but we also know that you will not like it. We win, you lose. You will eventually own nothing and be happy. :eek:
 

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Toronto councillors vote to rename Dundas St.
'This is an important moment'

Author of the article:Kevin Connor
Publishing date:Jul 15, 2021 • 5 hours ago • 2 minute read • 349 Comments
A street sign for Dundas St. W. in Toronto, Ont. on Wednesday June 10, 2020.
A street sign for Dundas St. W. in Toronto, Ont. on Wednesday June 10, 2020. PHOTO BY ERNEST DOROSZUK /Toronto Sun
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Toronto City Council voted on Wednesday in favour of renaming Dundas St. and now faces the task of coming up with a new name.

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Henry Dundas was a Scottish politician who played a role in delaying the abolition of the transatlantic slave trade in the late 1700s.


The name Dundas is hurtful to the Black and Indigenous population in the city, council has heard.

Dundas doesn’t deserve the recognition, said Mayor John Tory.

“We are at a moment in time in history to show leadership,” Tory said.

“This is an important moment … to take away the pain. You can never go wrong doing the right thing.”

City staff consulted with 25 Black and Indigenous community leaders as well as BIAs and now are planning the next steps for a public process to rename the street.

Dundas has 90,000 addresses on the street with 4,500 businesses and 60 of those carry the name Dundas.

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City manager Chis Murray says businesses with Dundas in the name won’t be required to change that.

In the fall, the city will reach out to all Torontonians who were to be involved in the name change and provide information on how they can participate.

There are 60 other streets where the city is reviewing if their name should be changed.

There were 14,00 names on the petition that got the ball rolling to rename Dundas, where 97,000 residents live.


Coun. Stephen Holyday unsuccessfully urged council to send the issue back to the city manager to seek more options because he worried about the precedent that would be set by renaming the street.

“Not enough people were consulted. Some effort has to be made to consult them,” Holyday said.

MORE ON THIS TOPIC

A street sign for Dundas St. W. in Toronto, Ont. on Wednesday June 10, 2020.
LEVY: Is Dundas St. to become the new Woke Way?
Sir Henry Dundas
BRAUN: What's in a name? Negative associations, if it's Henry Dundas
A street sign for Dundas St. W. in Toronto, Ont. on Wednesday, June 10, 2020. Henry Dundas opposed the abolition efforts of people like William Wilberforce in the British Parliament. Should the street be renamed?
Tory's executive committee takes next step to renaming Dundas St.

The city estimates it will cost between $5 million and $6 million to change street signs and other city properties with the name Dundas.
I doubt that any of them even know who he is.
 
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OK, here's how you make everybody happy.

Re-name it "Rue Dundas" for Henri-Pierre Dundas, the well-known French explorer of the Dry Tortugas.

Or re-name it for the mighty chief Dundas (pronounced Doon-DASH) of the Hopalong First Nations People.
 
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