Threatening with nuclear weapons once again

Serryah

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If anyone wants to know what is the idolatry and the 'associating others with God' or equalizing others with God, see here:
The religion should exclusively be devoted to God alone
Q25
Q26

That's according to the Quran.

Not everyone follows that book.

What is idolatry to one may not be to others.

What you call God may not be what others call God, and you can't call them wrong.

Just as they can't say ultimately you're wrong.

God is personal.

God is individual.

Even your God is not the God of another Muslim.

And that's okay.
 
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Ron in Regina

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The words of God are the truthful certainly.
So you're saying it's god who gets to decide who's wicked and idolatrous. Or that's what you're pretending to say. What you're really saying is that based on your understanding and Al-Hilly's interpretation of Islamic scripture, *you* can do it too.

Actually you've been doing it from the beginning, telling us all that we're wicked, idolatrous, blasphemous, misguided, doomed for all time, etc. It's tiresome. And you're quite wrong. God has no words except for what people put into his mouth, because he's a human invention with no reality except as an idea.
 

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Religion is for people who can't handle reality. So are drugs, alcohol, and certain political ideologies. Theistic religion is a crutch. If it works for you that's great, keep it to your fucking self.
 

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What is idolatry to one may not be to others.
The Totem is an idol
If one believes the Totem can benefit or harm him in any way, he is an idolater, who associates the Totem with God Almighty.
If one prays the Totem thinking that it hears his prayer and can answer his prayer, he is an idolater.
If you glorify the Totem, fear it and have hope about it, you are an idolater.
So this is the idol, and this is the idolatry: which is associating the Totem with God the Creator, while the Totem in fact does not hear, neither see, nor can do anything to help the idolater or anyone else.
 

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Ah, I didn’t realize you where the “Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly” Guy. Sorry, I thought you’d be someone who could answer and debate with your own words & thoughts. My mistake.
Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly is the Mahdi sent by God to warn people of the idolatry and to interpret the ayat of the Quran whose meaning is not known by people.
So not everyone is the Mahdi to whom God reveals the true meaning of the Quran. Therefore, I am not the Mahdi, and I cannot - of my own accord - interpret the mysterious ayat of the Quran that are unknown to people.
Then I follow the Hilly with his call to God alone without associate, as the followers of the prophets and messengers did when they followed their messengers.
And I am not proud like many disbelievers because God abhors the arrogant and the proud over His messengers.

Like those who were arrogant against Prophet Salih of the Thamood Tribe in the northern Arab Peninsula, before the Islam, and before Moses and Abraham:
Quran 7: 75-76, which mean:
(75. The chiefs who were arrogant among his people said, to those [of them] that were considered weak – to those of them who believed: "Do you really think that Salih is a messenger sent by his Lord!?
They said: "We are believers in [the message] that he has been sent with."

76. Those who were arrogant said: "We disbelieve in what you believe in.")

 

Ron in Regina

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Uh-oh
Ah, I didn’t realize you where the “Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly” Guy. Sorry, I thought you’d be someone who could answer and debate with your own words & thoughts. My mistake.
Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly is the Mahdi sent by God to warn people of the idolatry and to interpret the ayat of the Quran whose meaning is not known by people.
So not everyone is the Mahdi to whom God reveals the true meaning of the Quran. Therefore, I am not the Mahdi, and I cannot - of my own accord - interpret….etc…
…Sorry, I thought you’d be someone who could answer and debate with your own words & thoughts…..
Meh….If you’re not capable, that’s OK.
 

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The Quran is not a totem, but is a heavenly book revealed by God Almighty, as had the Torah and the Gospel revealed before it.
The Quran is the word of God the Creator.

Quran 25: 6, which means:
(Say [Mohammed, to them]: "[It is God], Who revealed [the Quran]; [He] Who knows the Unknown secret [that is] in the heavens and the earth c.
For surely [God] is Most Forgiving [to those who repent], Most Merciful [to those who convert and believe.]
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c So He told you in the Quran about the past and the future, then how do you ascribe it to Mohammed who does not know the Unknown?

 

Torch light

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Uh-oh
Meh….If you’re not capable, that’s OK.
So you think yourselves smart, while in fact you contribute to your own loss and destruction, like the past arrogant disbelievers,
I find concerning you this aya in the Quran 29: 40, which means:
(Each [of these] We seized according to his sin: We sent against some of them a pebble swarm i, and some were seized by the blast j, and We cleft the earth open with some of them k, and some We drowned [in the water.] l

God would never wrong them m, but they were wont to wrong themselves n.)
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i Those were the people of Lot.
j i.e. the great sound of the earth and its noise when the earthquake befell their land.
k He was Korah and his companions.
l Those were the people of Noah, and Pharaoh with his host.
m With the destruction that afflicted them.
n With their disbelief, association [with God] and their evil acts.

 

Ron in Regina

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So you think yourselves smart, while in fact you contribute to your own loss and destruction, like the past arrogant disbelievers,
I find concerning you this aya in the Quran 29: 40, which means:
(Each [of these] We seized according to his sin: We sent against some of them a pebble swarm i, and some were seized by the blast j, and We cleft the earth open with some of them k, and some We drowned [in the water.] l

God would never wrong them m, but they were wont to wrong themselves n.)
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i Those were the people of Lot.
j i.e. the great sound of the earth and its noise when the earthquake befell their land.
k He was Korah and his companions.
l Those were the people of Noah, and Pharaoh with his host.
m With the destruction that afflicted them.
n With their disbelief, association [with God] and their evil acts.

At least part of the first sentence above comes from your own words, right? If so, good for you!! Kudos!!!
 

Serryah

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The Quran is not a totem, but is a heavenly book revealed by God Almighty, as had the Torah and the Gospel revealed before it.
The Quran is the word of God the Creator.

Quran 25: 6, which means:
(Say [Mohammed, to them]: "[It is God], Who revealed [the Quran]; [He] Who knows the Unknown secret [that is] in the heavens and the earth c.
For surely [God] is Most Forgiving [to those who repent], Most Merciful [to those who convert and believe.]
)
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c So He told you in the Quran about the past and the future, then how do you ascribe it to Mohammed who does not know the Unknown?


Actually the Quran is a totem, of a sort.

So is the Bible.

They are things used to focus religious worship.

Now I know when you think of 'totem' it means something more likely like a spirit animal or somesuch, but it's not only that.

"A totem is a spirit being, sacred object, or symbol that serves as an emblem of a group of people"

So yes, the Quran is a totem, being it is a sacred object/symbol.

But I know you'll deny it, of course :D
 

Torch light

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I prefer not to say words of myself which are liable to wrong; the word of God in the Quran is infallible.

Moreover, Jesus Christ said about the Mahdi: the Comforter in the Gospel of John 16: 13
"But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come."

These are the verses of the Gospel of John 16: 7-13:

"7 But I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I am leaving; for if I do not leave, the [e]Helper [footnote: Or Comforter, Advocate] will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.
8 And He, when He comes, will convict the world regarding sin, and righteousness, and judgment:
9 regarding sin, because they do not believe in Me;
10 and regarding righteousness, because I am going to the Lord and you no longer are going to see Me;
11 and regarding judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.
12 “I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them at the present time.
13 But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come."

So read them carefully if you are true to yourselves and to your conscience and unless you are Zionists and devils.
 

Serryah

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I prefer not to say words of myself which are liable to wrong; the word of God in the Quran is infallible.

Moreover, Jesus Christ said about the Mahdi: the Comforter in the Gospel of John 16: 13
"But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come."

These are the verses of the Gospel of John 16: 7-13:

"7 But I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I am leaving; for if I do not leave, the [e]Helper [footnote: Or Comforter, Advocate] will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.
8 And He, when He comes, will convict the world regarding sin, and righteousness, and judgment:
9 regarding sin, because they do not believe in Me;
10 and regarding righteousness, because I am going to the Lord and you no longer are going to see Me;
11 and regarding judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.
12 “I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them at the present time.
13 But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come."

So read them carefully if you are true to yourselves and to your conscience and unless you are Zionists and devils.

You do know the burning bush from the story of Moses is a totem, right?

Just fyi.
 
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I can sort of respect the obviously half-a-bubble-off-plumb individual who sees DA TROOF and goes to the effort to write it all down.

The people who swallow it hook, line, and sinker, not so much. They're either weaklings unable to come to terms with the universe on their own, or making a buck off it.
 

petros

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No wonder you agree with the idolater against God.... Jews in the past agreed with the idolaters of Mecca against God and His messenger.
Does a totem not tell a story? Mohammad was an antisocial and agoraphobic half wit, who couldnt read. He relied on symbology to get through life. Symbols are language.
 
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taxme

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Its only a threat.
It's only a threat alright. Putin will never use nuclear weapons on anyone unless some other world leader/s of some other country intends to use them on Russia. Nobody will win if countries start lobbing nuclear weapons at each other. It is only the west that is making all the threats. :eek: