There’s no such thing as “International Terrorism”

the caracal kid

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There’s no such thing as “International Terrorism”
1/24/2006 3:00:00 PM GMT
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September 11 attacks were the result of a set-up- According to Ivashov


The American public and the world’s increasing anger over mounting casualties in Iraq and doubts about long-term consequences of the war seem on the rise, threatening PRESIDENT BUSH's once-formidable advantage over Sen. John F. Kerry concerning who is best able to deal with “TERRORISM” .

BUSH's "WAR ON TERROR" publicly began on Sept. 11, 2001, when America’s twin towers came under an attack of two planes. Bush declared his war against disparate enemies- In his estimation the WAR ON TERROR wasn’t only fought against terrorists in Afghanistan, but included battles of all kinds, against the “TERRORISM” of Iraq’s SADDAM HUSSEIN, and the "terrorist regime" of North Korea.

In his address to the nation in September 2003, BUSH offered two new arguments for declaring IRAQ "the central front" in the WAR ON TERROR. If you buy those arguments, he's right. But why now stop and think about how far afield they would take us from the war America declared two years before IRAQ; the U.S. INVASION OF AFGHANISTAN.

“The Middle East will either become a place of progress and peace, or it will be an exporter of violence and terror that takes more lives in America and in other free nations. The triumph of democracy and tolerance in Iraq, AFGHANISTANand beyond would be a grave setback for international TERRORISM. The terrorists thrive on the support of tyrants and the resentments of oppressed peoples. When tyrants fall and resentment gives way to hope, men and women in every culture reject the ideologies of terror and turn to the pursuits of peace.”

General Leonid Ivashov, who was the Chief of Staff of the Russian armed forces when 9/11 attacks occurred, now gives an analysis of current events challenging previously ones given by his American colleagues, according to an article on rense.com.

Ivashov says that there’s no such thing as international TERRORISM and that the September 11 attacks were the result of a set-up. His analysis regarding recent events and attacks that ripped through various places in the world; violence in IRAQ, JULY ATTACKS IN LONDON, and other is that they’re the result of manipulation by the big powers; this TERRORISM would not exist without them.

Instead of faking a "world war on TERROR", the best way to fight such phenomenon and reduce the risk of facing similar attacks in the future is through respect for international law and peaceful cooperation among countries and their citizens, Ivashov says, stressing that the current unrest that has plagued the world proves that “terrorism emerges where contradiction aggravate, where there is a change of social relations or a change of regime, where there is political, economic or social instability, where there is moral decadence, where cynicism and nihilism triumph, where vice is legalized and where crime spreads,” the article says.

Ivashov, who is the vice-president of the Academy on geopolitical affairs, and a former chief of the department for General affairs in the Soviet Union's ministry of Defense, and secretary of the Council of defense ministers of the Community of independent states (CIS), chief of the Military cooperation department at the Russian federation's Ministry of defense and Joint chief of staff of the Russian armies, also believes that what helps creating the environment for the emergence of such phenomenon is globalization.

What analysts describe today as “International terrorism” is a phenomenon that combines the use of terror by state and non-state political structures so as to reach their political goals through “intimidation, psychological and social destabilization, the elimination of resistance from power organizations and the creation of appropriate conditions for the manipulation of the countries' policies and the behavior of people”, the article adds.

TERRORISM has become a new weapon in today’s type of war. And with the complicity of biased media, it becomes the manager of global processes.

From the first day the American President, PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH, declared his "WAR ON TERROR," using 9/11 events as a key justification, the American and British media reiterated his avowed connection among the 9/11 'terrorists', Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD), Iraq and other "axis of evil" countries. And the world’s leading media outlets disseminated every administration pronouncement, although the most devastating “terrorist” attacks to date didn’t involve WMD or fissile material, or even involved Iraqis.

So according to Ivashov’s analysis of September 11 attacks, “organizers were the political and business circles interested in destabilizing the world order and who had the means necessary to finance the operation. The only secret services and their current chiefs ¬ or those retired but still having influence inside the state organizations ¬ have the ability to plan, organize and conduct an operation of such magnitude. OSAMA BIN LADEN and 'AL QAEDA' cannot be the organizers nor the performers of the September 11 attacks. They do not have the necessary organization, resources or leaders. September 11 operation, which also favored the U.S. economic and political elite that also seeks world dominance, modified the course of events in the world in the direction chosen by transnational mafias and international oligarchs; that is, those who hope to control the planet's natural resources, the world information network and the financial flows.”

The so-called “International Terrorism” is just a term used to justify and hide the real motives behind deploying the massive forces stationed all over the world in the struggle for dominance and control. It is also used to turn people's demands to a struggle of undefined goals against an invisible enemy; and to destroy international norms and change concepts such as: aggression, state terror, dictatorship or movement of national liberation, and deprive peoples of their legitimate right to fight against aggressions.

For more than three years, PRESIDENT BUSH has framed occupying Iraq as part of the so-called "war on terrorism". And for more than three years, he has produced no evidence for that claim. No evidence of a link between Saddam’s regime and September 11. No evidence of an a link between the ousted Iraqi leader and AL QAEDA network, blamed for 2001 attacks on the U.S. And no evidence of a “terrorist” presence in Iraq in particular, as well as no evidence that Iraq provided “terrorists” with WMD.

http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/review/article_full_story.asp?service_ID=10566
 

aeon

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Jay said:
If the Russians say it...it must be true.



With all the facts that we know surrounding 9-11,it is safe to say the one who is behind it, are in the white house.
 

Jay

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The only reason it is safe to say that is because we live in free countries...unlike, say, Iran.
 

Jay

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Re: RE: There’s no such thing as “International Terrorism”

the caracal kid said:
attacking the presenter does nothing to undermine the argument, Jay.


It isn't my fault Russia can't be trusted. She did that to herself.
 

aeon

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Kellen said:
Did you forget to take your meds?


No, don t need to take meds ,when you eat well and you are healthy. Read the facts , simple as that.


read this and have fun.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwood


Operation Northwoods or Northwoods was a 1962 plan to generate U.S. public support for military action against the Cuban regime of Fidel Castro. The plan, which was not implemented, called for various false flag actions, including simulated or real domestic terror attacks (such as hijacked planes) on U.S. soil. The plan was proposed by senior U.S. Department of Defense leaders, including the highest ranking member of the U.S. military, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
The proposal was presented in a document entitled "Justification for US Military Intervention in Cuba," a draft memorandum pdf) written by the Department of Defense (DoD) and Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) representative to the Caribbean Survey Group. The draft memo was presented by the JCS to Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara on March 13 with one paragraph approved, as a preliminary submission for planning purposes. However, McNamara rejected the proposal.
The draft memorandum was declassified in recent years through a Freedom of Information Act request by the National Security Archive.
 

Graciously Yours

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RE: There’s no such thing

If it wasn't so sad it would be funny that so many are unable to see the truth. Regardless how many times the admin has been caught lying, or trampling on their citizen's rights, there is still a substantial segment of the public that seems to think that it couldn't happen. Wake up - it is and always has been. The only difference is now they know they don't even have to hide it.

Rense, is not a legitimate, IMO, site as it is very one sided, however there are more than enough other sites out there that will confirm the same things.

The simple truth is, if anyone ever bothered to think about it, is that Terrorism is vague and the difference between a "terrorist" and a "freedom fighter" is a matter of which side you happen to be on. More telling is "terror", or "the war on terror". Terror is by definition an ideal, a feeling. It is unsubstantial and non-physical. War is substantial and physical. You can not use one to combat the other, anymore than you can use a stick to beat fear, or sadness or any other feeling. So, this "war on terror" can not ever be effective, and ofcourse those that came up with the term knew it. So why use it?

Because it produces the patriot feeling, which also seems to shut off large portions of peoples logic sensors. The war on terror , could more accurately be classified, IMO, as a war on comman sense, or maybe insitutional fear mongering. When people are frightened, they react, and not think for if they did they would see the real enemy is not in some desert, nor was the true enemy in any plane. The enemy is our own fear, and what that fear(being manipulated by the right buttons) will cause reasonable people to do.
 

nitzomoe

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I think not said:
I suppose Chechen rebels are a figment of everyones imagination also. Hmmmm. Who dreamed them up I wonder?

who ever did, i wanna stay the hell away from him.
 

Kellen

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Re: RE: There’s no such thing as “International Terrorism”

aeon said:
Kellen said:
Did you forget to take your meds?


No, don t need to take meds ,when you eat well and you are healthy. Read the facts , simple as that.


read this and have fun.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwood


Operation Northwoods or Northwoods was a 1962 plan to generate U.S. public support for military action against the Cuban regime of Fidel Castro. The plan, which was not implemented, called for various false flag actions, including simulated or real domestic terror attacks (such as hijacked planes) on U.S. soil. The plan was proposed by senior U.S. Department of Defense leaders, including the highest ranking member of the U.S. military, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
The proposal was presented in a document entitled "Justification for US Military Intervention in Cuba," a draft memorandum pdf) written by the Department of Defense (DoD) and Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) representative to the Caribbean Survey Group. The draft memo was presented by the JCS to Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara on March 13 with one paragraph approved, as a preliminary submission for planning purposes. However, McNamara rejected the proposal.
The draft memorandum was declassified in recent years through a Freedom of Information Act request by the National Security Archive.

Oh please, that's your proof? An operation that was never approved of? If they didn't approve of that I doubt they would approve of something like 9-11. I don't care how bad you say the neocons are, I have a hard time time believing that they would willingly kill about 3000 of their own citizens just for a bit of oil in the middle east.
 

I think not

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Re: RE: There’s no such thing

Graciously Yours said:
If it wasn't so sad it would be funny that so many are unable to see the truth. Regardless how many times the admin has been caught lying, or trampling on their citizen's rights, there is still a substantial segment of the public that seems to think that it couldn't happen. Wake up - it is and always has been. The only difference is now they know they don't even have to hide it.

http://www.psepc.gc.ca/prg/ns/le/cle-en.asp

:roll:
 

missile

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International Terrorists are a real organization & have monthly meetings in their own clubhouse,pay dues and have an elected board of directors :)
 

aeon

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Re: RE: There’s no such thing as “International Terrorism”

Kellen said:
Oh please, that's your proof? An operation that was never approved of? If they didn't approve of that I doubt they would approve of something like 9-11. I don't care how bad you say the neocons are, I have a hard time time believing that they would willingly kill about 3000 of their own citizens just for a bit of oil in the middle east.


Yes the operation was totally approved by the joint chief of staff, but was never implemented, that is the difference, never implemented why?? because cuba at the time was an allied to the russian, which was another super power, now these days who is the only superpower??


just for a bit of oil?? iraq is the second largest oil reserve in the world, so no it is not just a bit.


Do you want me to post all the evidence that shows us governement is behind 9-11??

are you ready to see the facts??
 

Jay

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I'm pretty sure people have seen these "facts" before. If you really have a problem with all of this, take the administration to court and show your evidence there.

I gots me a $50.00 here that says it will never happen.
 

Jay

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Re: RE: There’s no such thing as “International Terrorism”

aeon said:
Yes the operation was totally approved by the joint chief of staff, but was never implemented, that is the difference, never implemented why?? because cuba at the time was an allied to the russian, which was another super power, now these days who is the only superpower??

Then why haven't we invaded Cuba?
 

nitzomoe

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Re: RE: There’s no such thing

I think not said:
Graciously Yours said:
If it wasn't so sad it would be funny that so many are unable to see the truth. Regardless how many times the admin has been caught lying, or trampling on their citizen's rights, there is still a substantial segment of the public that seems to think that it couldn't happen. Wake up - it is and always has been. The only difference is now they know they don't even have to hide it.

http://www.psepc.gc.ca/prg/ns/le/cle-en.asp

:roll:

some of those groups havent been in existence in years, take for instance abu nidal, number 1 on that list, the leader is dead and anyone remotely connected with them past away a long time before they were even put on that site, great job government.