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Matthew records Jesus as saying he’ll be back within the lifetime of some of the people hearing him speak, and the final chapter of Revelation has him saying three times that he’ll be along quickly. Since that didn’t happen, and it *is* the heart of the matter, the rest of the scriptural claims about the end times lack all credibility.
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Motar

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Anyone with any familiarity with scripture will know them, but okay. Matthew 16:28, Revelation 22:7, 22:12, and 22:20.
Concerning Matthew 16:28, all three synoptic gospels record the statement of Jesus in question.

“Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom” (Matthew 16:28).
“And he said to them, ‘Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see that the kingdom of God has come with power” (Mark 9:1).
“Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God” (Luke 9:27).

All three are followed by the account of Jesus’ transfiguration which takes place eight days later (Luke 9:28) in the presence of Peter, James and John where Jesus appears in glorified form with Moses and Elijah.
 
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Motar

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So you edited your previous post to insert them, making my post following it look meaningless. Nice one.
No malice intended, DS. I posted prematurely before finishing my thought. I was likely editing while you were responding.
 

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Concerning Matthew 16:28, all three synoptic gospels record the statement of Jesus in question.

“Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom” (Matthew 16:28).
“And he said to them, ‘Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see that the kingdom of God has come with power” (Mark 9:1).
“Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God” (Luke 9:27).

All three are followed by the account of Jesus’ transfiguration which takes place eight days later (Luke 9:28) in the presence of Peter, James and John where Jesus appears in glorified form with Moses and Elijah.
Any thoughts concerning the transfiguration figuring in Jesus’ statement?
 

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All three are followed by the account of Jesus’ transfiguration which takes place eight days later (Luke 9:28) in the presence of Peter, James and John where Jesus appears in glorified form with Moses and Elijah.
Any thoughts concerning the transfiguration figuring in Jesus’ statement?
Matthew and Mark say 6 days, Luke says about 8 days. Not that it matters, the event never happened. In real life, dead people stay dead, they don't reappear, it's a fictional addition to the tale that would have had some force in a more credulous and superstitious age, but doesn't now.
 

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Matthew and Mark say 6 days, Luke says about 8 days. Not that it matters, the event never happened. In real life, dead people stay dead, they don't reappear, it's a fictional addition to the tale that would have had some force in a more credulous and superstitious age, but doesn't now.
I suppose we should conclude our eschatology talk. Sincere thanks for a profitable discussion (Proverbs 27:17).
 

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3) As the phrase “end times” is not literally found in Scripture, I mean to present the actual biblical eschatological references so we and others can locate them.
Some additional explicit references to end times include:

“In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams” (Acts 2:17).

“But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— having a form of godliness but denying its power” (2 Timothy 3:1-5a).

“Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires” (2 Peter 3:3)
 

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Some additional explicit references to end times include:

“In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams” (Acts 2:17).

“But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— having a form of godliness but denying its power” (2 Timothy 3:1-5a).

“Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires” (2 Peter 3:3)
Thank you for demonstrating what Dex said. The phrase "end times" does not appear in the bible.
 

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People have been looking for portents of the last days since Paul’s time, even Paul himself thought it was imminent. They always find them, and they’re always wrong.
 

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The key to the biblical last days/end of the age is convergence.

Jesus listed the following as signs in the last days of the end of the age: mass deception, many false messiahs, wars/rumors of wars, nation/kingdom against nation/kingdom, and widespread famine/earthquakes, persecution of Christ-followers, proliferation of false prophets, increase in wickedness, lack of love, global preaching of the gospel, Daniel’s “abomination of desolation” (Daniel 9:27, 11:31, 12:1) appearing, dreadful days of unprecedented social distress, and gross abnormalities in the sun, moon and stars (Matthew 24:4-29).

“Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door” (Matthew 24:33).

Why did Jesus compare the last days/end of the age to labor pains? (Matthew 24:8).
 

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People have been looking for portents of the last days since Paul’s time, even Paul himself thought it was imminent. They always find them, and they’re always wrong.
History shows us that as "the millennium" approached (approx. 1000 CE) there was great kerfuffle throughout Christian Europe, c
 

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Lot of similar stuff around Y2K too, though much of it was less overtly religious and more about a massive global failure of automated systems, which really would have been apocalyptic.

There’s a real danger in end time religious beliefs though. If enough people buy them, particularly people in powerful positions, they may do nothing to try to prevent such events or even actively cause them in the belief they’re doing god’s work, making the prophecies self-fulfilling. A U.S. president claiming he was chosen by god to lead in a troubled time was pretty alarming. Then there’s the Christian Zionist loons in Texas trying to breed the perfect red heifer, considered essential for the ritual purification of the Third Temple that has to be built to get the last days properly started in some versions of the prophecy.

There’s no idea so dumb that nobody will believe it.
 

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The key to the biblical last days/end of the age is convergence.

Jesus listed the following as signs in the last days of the end of the age: mass deception, many false messiahs, wars/rumors of wars, nation/kingdom against nation/kingdom, and widespread famine/earthquakes, persecution of Christ-followers, proliferation of false prophets, increase in wickedness, lack of love, global preaching of the gospel, Daniel’s “abomination of desolation” (Daniel 9:27, 11:31, 12:1) appearing, dreadful days of unprecedented social distress, and gross abnormalities in the sun, moon and stars (Matthew 24:4-29).

“Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door” (Matthew 24:33).

Why did Jesus compare the last days/end of the age to labor pains? (Matthew 24:8).
Jesus compares the last days to labor pains because the end of the age is characterized by trials starting suddenly and increasing steadily in frequency and intensity until the old ends and the new begins.
 

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Jesus compares the last days to labor pains because the end of the age is characterized by trials starting suddenly and increasing steadily in frequency and intensity until the old ends and the new begins.
Precipitous birth is defined as birth occurring less than 3 hours after regular labor contractions commence. Once the birth pains of the last days begin, the nature of Christ's return as declared by Jesus is "I come quickly" (Revelation 22:7,12, 20, KJV).