The Great Reset

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I’ve spent most of my professional life in IT but my first degree was in physics.
Wayne Walker was an IT specialist before completing Cross Cultural Ministry studies at Dallas Theological Seminary.

He is the founder and current CEO of OurCalling, a ministry to people experiencing homelessness in Dallas, Texas. His 2021 year-end impact report includes 1,651 individuals who were assisted to get off the street.

That’s God’s Great Reset in Christ in action.

“For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many“ (Mark 10:45).
 

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Then what of those of other religions, and non-religious organizations, who help people get off the street?

"If we did a good act merely from love of God and a belief that it is pleasing to Him, whence arises the morality of the Atheist? ...Their virtue, then, must have had some other foundation than the love of God."
--Thomas Jefferson
 

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Then what of those of other religions, and non-religious organizations, who help people get off the street?
“Teacher,' said John, 'we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us.' 'Do not stop him,' Jesus said. 'For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, for whoever is not against us is for us. Truly I tell you, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to the Messiah will certainly not lose their reward" (Mark 9:38-41, NIV).

What reward does Jesus reference?
 

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“Teacher,' said John, 'we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us.' 'Do not stop him,' Jesus said. 'For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, for whoever is not against us is for us. Truly I tell you, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to the Messiah will certainly not lose their reward" (Mark 9:38-41, NIV).

What reward does Jesus reference?
The most boring eternity imaginable.
 

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It's just a good person doing good things, happens all the time. Human ethics don't derive from religion, they precede it.
“As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. ‘Good teacher,‘ he asked, ’what must I do to inherit eternal life?’ ‘Why do you call me good?‘ Jesus answered. ‘No one is good—except God alone“ (Mark 10:17-18, NIV).
 

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“As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. ‘Good teacher,‘ he asked, ’what must I do to inherit eternal life?’ ‘Why do you call me good?‘ Jesus answered. ‘No one is good—except God alone“ (Mark 10:17-18, NIV).
Argument from authority fallacy, worthless. And wrong, and a wicked and destructive thing to teach people, especially impressionable children.
 

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“As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. ‘Good teacher,‘ he asked, ’what must I do to inherit eternal life?’ ‘Why do you call me good?‘ Jesus answered. ‘No one is good—except God alone“ (Mark 10:17-18, NIV).
And there's the nub of it. No matter what you are, no matter what you do, you're shit.

Your guy who housed a thousand-some homeless people in Dallas? He's shit. And headed for eternal torture.

But if he'd killed a thousand-some homeless people, and was part of your Believers' Club, he gets candy and ice cream forever.

Your religion is vile.
 

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Your religion is vile.
Yeah, it somehow manages to combine a maximum of servility with a maximum of solipsism, an assessment originally due to Christopher Hitchens I think, though I don't recall the precise citation offhand. I've been at services* where the celebrant routinely invites the congregation to silently consider what useless lowly unworthy worms we all are and how gracious god is to allow us into his august presence anyway. If I were going to shout "bullshit" that would be the moment. I have so far resisted the temptation.

* I will endure a church service for weddings and funerals involving people I care about if their values require it of them. I've been called a hypocrite for that by at least one poster here, but as the alternative is to hurt their feelings by refusing to attend at all, that seems the lesser evil. It also seems to me that if the deity is as described in his biblical appearances there'd have been a lightning bolt through the ceiling at me long ago. One more reason to doubt his reality...
 

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Yeah, it somehow manages to combine a maximum of servility with a maximum of solipsism, an assessment originally due to Christopher Hitchens I think, though I don't recall the precise citation offhand. I've been at services* where the celebrant routinely invites the congregation to silently consider what useless lowly unworthy worms we all are and how gracious god is to allow us into his august presence anyway. If I were going to shout "bullshit" that would be the moment. I have so far resisted the temptation.

* I will endure a church service for weddings and funerals involving people I care about if their values require it of them. I've been called a hypocrite for that by at least one poster here, but as the alternative is to hurt their feelings by refusing to attend at all, that seems the lesser evil. It also seems to me that if the deity is as described in his biblical appearances there'd have been a lightning bolt through the ceiling at me long ago. One more reason to doubt his reality...
"It" refers to something, DS. I am referencing Someone.

The Great Reset of God is Christ.
 

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"It" refers to something, DS. I am referencing Someone.

The Great Reset of God is Christ.
And if we believe in him, we are saved, regardless of how evil, destructive, and vile we have been.

And if we don't believe in him, we are damned, regardless of how many people we've helped, how many we've saved, how much we've done to make the lives of everyone we know and don't know better.

Correct?
 

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"It" refers to something, DS. I am referencing Someone.

The Great Reset of God is Christ.
Yes I know who you’re referring to; you evidently didn’t get what I was referring to.

So, there was this magic tree whose fruit was forbidden but a talking serpent convinced a gullible woman to eat it anyway, then she tricked her partner into eating it, and as a result we all have an evil spell on us called original sin that renders us all intrinsically bad. After unnumbered millennia of everyone suffering and dying with this Heaven decides to offer a fix, but somehow the infinitely wise and benevolent deity in charge can’t think of a better way than the brutal sacrifice of a human scapegoat for everything anyone ever did or will do wrong. And now as long as we accept that as true, believe the right things, and follow the proper rituals, the spell is removed and we’re saved. Otherwise, we’re doomed for all time, but it’s our choice. Some choice: get in here and love me or I’ll punish you forever. And no matter what horrors we perpetrated, if we come to that at the end of our lives, all is forgiven, but a great and good person who doesn’t is doomed.

It eludes my understanding how any thinking person can see that as anything but a particularly grim fairy tale.
 
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Yes I know who you’re referring to; you evidently didn’t get what I was referring to.

So, there was this magic tree whose fruit was forbidden but a talking serpent convinced a gullible woman to eat it anyway, then she tricked her partner into eating it, and as a result we all have an evil spell on us called original sin that renders us all intrinsically bad. After unnumbered millennia of everyone suffering and dying with this Heaven decides to offer a fix, but somehow the infinitely wise and benevolent deity in charge can’t think of a better way than the brutal sacrifice of a human scapegoat for everything anyone ever did or will do wrong. And now as long as we accept that as true, believe the right things, and follow the proper rituals, the spell is removed and we’re saved. Otherwise, we’re doomed for all time, but it’s our choice. Some choice: get in here and love me or I’ll punish you forever. And no matter what horrors we perpetrated, if we come to that at the end of our lives, all is forgiven, but a great and good person who doesn’t is doomed.

It eludes my understanding how any thinking person can see that as anything but a particularly grim fairy tale.
Easy-peasy. The Christian god is a psychopath.
 

Motar

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Have you read Paradise Lost by John Milton?

The Great Reset of God in Christ is presented in the opening lines:

“OF Mans First Disobedience, and the Fruit
Of that Forbidden Tree, whose mortal tast
Brought Death into the World, and all our woe,
With loss of Eden, till one greater Man
Restore us, and regain the blissful Seat …”

The most famous line of Milton’s poem comes from a monologue of Satan:

“Better to reign in hell, than serve in heaven”
Milton, J. (1674). Paradise Lost. Book 1, Line 263.

There are essentially two worldviews represented in the world today - one acknowledges God and the other does not.
 

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Have you read Paradise Lost by John Milton?

The Great Reset of God in Christ is presented in the opening lines:

“OF Mans First Disobedience, and the Fruit
Of that Forbidden Tree, whose mortal tast
Brought Death into the World, and all our woe,
With loss of Eden, till one greater Man
Restore us, and regain the blissful Seat …”

The most famous line of Milton’s poem comes from a monologue of Satan:

“Better to reign in hell, than serve in heaven”
Milton, J. (1674). Paradise Lost. Book 1, Line 263.

There are essentially two worldviews represented in the world today - one acknowledges God and the other does not.
Have you read The Man From Nantucket by Anonymous?
 

Motar

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Have you read Paradise Lost by John Milton?

The Great Reset of God in Christ is presented in the opening lines:

“OF Mans First Disobedience, and the Fruit
Of that Forbidden Tree, whose mortal tast
Brought Death into the World, and all our woe,
With loss of Eden, till one greater Man
Restore us, and regain the blissful Seat …”

The most famous line of Milton’s poem comes from a monologue of Satan:

“Better to reign in hell, than serve in heaven”
Milton, J. (1674). Paradise Lost. Book 1, Line 263.

There are essentially two worldviews represented in the world today - one acknowledges God and the other does not.
In the excerpt above, Milton describes the Great Reset of God in Christ as restoring humankind and regaining the blissful Seat. I am reminded of the lyrics of Handel’s Messiah: ”For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given, and the government shall be upon His shoulder; and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, the mighty God, the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace” (Isaiah 9:6).

A systematic theologian once described hell as “everyone trying to impose their will on everyone else all the time”.

Which governance appeals to you?
 

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In the excerpt above, Milton describes the Great Reset of God in Christ as restoring humankind and regaining the blissful Seat. I am reminded of the lyrics of Handel’s Messiah: ”For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given, and the government shall be upon His shoulder; and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, the mighty God, the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace” (Isaiah 9:6).

A systematic theologian once described hell as “everyone trying to impose their will on everyone else all the time”.

Which governance appeals to you?
The latter. It assumes I have a voice.

The former sounds like the North Korean government's description of Kim Jong Un.

Kneel to a psychopath if you choose, Motar. I'll stand on my own feet, weak and foolish as I may be.
 

Motar

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The latter. It assumes I have a voice.

The former sounds like the North Korean government's description of Kim Jong Un.

Kneel to a psychopath if you choose, Motar. I'll stand on my own feet, weak and foolish as I may be.
I am not in league with the psychopath you reference, TB. I identify with Another - the Author, Sustainer, Savior and Restorer of humankind. His election was certified at the empty tomb and His inauguration day approaches.