The Chosen People of God!?

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The Israelite are no longer the Chosen People of God

This is in the Book of Jeremiah, chapter 3:
“6- And the Lord said to me in the days of King Josiah: Have you seen what rebellious Israel has done? She has gone of herself upon every high mountain and under every green tree and has played the harlot there.
7- And when she had done all these things, I said: Return to me. And she did not return. And her treacherous sister Juda saw.
8- That because the rebellious Israel had played the harlot, I had put her away and given her a bill of divorce: yet her treacherous sister Juda was not afraid, but went and played the harlot also herself.
9- And by the facility of her fornication she defiled the land and played the harlot with stone and with stocks.”


These are – as they claim – the ‘chosen people of God’: they chose to worship idols instead of worshipping God Who saved them from slavery: from the hand of Pharaoh and the chiefs of his folk.

While, as regards Muslims: they never worshipped the idols after the death of their prophet, but they worshiped God alone. God – be glorified – revealed, concerning them, His saying in the Quran 3: 110, which means:
(You [: the believers among Mohammed's nation] are the best nation evolved for mankind: enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in God [alone.]
Had the People of the Bible [Jews and Christians] believed [like your belief, and associated not anything with God], it would have been better for them;
some of them are believers d, but most of them are the disobedient e.)
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d Like Abd-Allah son of Salam and his Jewish companions, and like Najashi and his Christian companions, who converted and believed.
e i.e. most of them are the disobedient to God, because they recognized the truth and denied it.

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Red Indians were so many: a complete human race inhabiting the two American continents.. but they were idolatrous and they wronged each other.
So God set on them the European who overcame them and almost terminated them, because they were idolaters worshiping the totems.
Certainly, God sent them some messengers to warn them of the consequence of their wrong-doing and their idolatry, but they disbelieved them and they stuck to their traditions and so they deserved the punishment by God.

Quran 10: 13-14, which mean:
(13. We destroyed the generations before you [O Arabs] when they wronged [themselves and others],
and their messengers (or apostles) came to them with the manifest [signs],
but they would not believe.

Thus do We recompense the guilty people.

14. Then We have made you successors in the earth after them, to see how you will act [: righteousness or corruption.])

More explanation by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly:
 
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I am not obliging you to believe or not; I only tell the truth, and it is your responsibility with God.

Except that's exactly what you're doing, you are obliging people to believe. You are telling YOUR Truth, not THE Truth.

And by your own words, by posting parts of the Quran, you are, by your faith, demanding then that anyone who reads them become Muslim or, in your view, they are against God, even if they have their own Faith/Belief.
Red Indians were so many: a complete human race inhabiting the two American continents.. but they were idolatrous and they wronged each other.

Muslims wrong each other even to today.

It's called "Being human".


So God set on them the European who overcame them and almost terminated them, because they were idolaters worshiping the totems.

No, the Europeans overcame them because they were xenophobic, racist fucks with a huge superiority complex and also diseases that Natives had never experienced before.

Did you know that while most of the major cities in Europe were still little villages, those same "idolaters" had cities numbering thousands?


Certainly, God sent them some messengers to warn them of the consequence of their wrong-doing and their idolatry, but they disbelieved them and they stuck to their traditions and so they deserved the punishment by God.

They stuck to their Faith, as much as any Muslim would if demanded to change by someone of another Faith.

Thankfully.

Had they just accepted and rolled over, so much history would have been lost, and language and ideas.
 
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They stuck to their Faith, as much as any Muslim would if demanded to change by someone of another Faith.
That's it: they stuck to the traditions of their fathers and grandfathers, and they did not use their minds and reasons.

Quran 43: 23, which means:
(23. And as such [concerning the past nations] We sent not any warner before you [Mohammed] into any city but its luxurious men said:
“We have found our fathers following [the program of] a sect, and we – after them – are following [their same program.]”
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24. [And the warner] said [to them]: “What! Even if I have brought you a better guidance than that you found your fathers following?
They said: “Certainly, we disbelieve in the [religion] that you are sent with.”

 

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That's it: they stuck to the traditions of their fathers and grandfathers, and they did not use their minds and reasons.

Quran 43: 23, which means:
(23. And as such [concerning the past nations] We sent not any warner before you [Mohammed] into any city but its luxurious men said:
“We have found our fathers following [the program of] a sect, and we – after them – are following [their same program.]”
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24. [And the warner] said [to them]: “What! Even if I have brought you a better guidance than that you found your fathers following?
They said: “Certainly, we disbelieve in the [religion] that you are sent with.”


As I pointed out, they stuck to their faith, as any MUSLIM would. So if you would not demean or decry a Muslim who sticks to their Faith, you've no right to decry those who do the same to THEIR Faiths.

Mind and Reason does not enter into things when it comes to Religion and Faith.
 

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As I pointed out, they stuck to their faith, as any MUSLIM would. So if you would not demean or decry a Muslim who sticks to their Faith, you've no right to decry those who do the same to THEIR Faiths.

Mind and Reason does not enter into things when it comes to Religion and Faith.
When any messenger comes to his people, he invites them to worship God Almighty: the Creator alone and to discard their idols and totems. They will almost refuse and stick to their traditions. So the messenger of God will say to them: Use your minds and think carefully and do not follow your fathers and grandfathers, because they might be wrong.
Then God will guide whomever He pleases (being kind-hearted), and God will misguide whomever He dislike (being wrong-doers.)

Afterwards, if the messenger prevails, and after the passing of generations, they will resort to their idolatry and will again stick to their traditions thinking that God Himself had commanded their fathers to be idolaters.

This is general for all people whether Muslims or non Muslims: but Muslims have their Quran which enjoins on them the monotheism and the 'exclusive devotion to God alone.' And even though Muslims have fallen in the enthusiasm about Prophet Mohammed to some extent, and some Muslim sects have become enthusiastic about Imam Ali and his sons ... so that if they keep to this enthusiasm, they may become like Christians who fell in the idolatry of glorifying Jesus Christ besides God.
 

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When we study the Quran, we will find that this is the case for almost all God's messengers: like Noah, Abraham, Shuaib, Moses, Jesus and Mohammed: the people of everyone of these messengers stuck to their traditions and refused to follow these messengers.

Quran 43: 22, which means:
(In fact, they only say: “We have found our fathers following [the religion of] a sect, and we – following after them – are guided according to their guidance.”)

 
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Abu Abd-Allah invited people to glorify God alone and to refrain from glorifying the imams and sheikhs besides God, and almost all of them refused and stuck to their traditions in spite of the Quran which declares the devotion to God alone.
Then before his death, and seeing his people suffering wars and conflicts, he said: I see they suffer because they disobey me in my call to God alone.

And he recited the aya in the Quran 17: 15, which means:
(Nor do We punish [any people with the extermination] unless We send [them] a messenger [or apostle.])
 

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Your truth. Important distinction there. God has as many faces are there are people who contemplate his existence, each has their own truth.
The truth is one: God is One and the worship is to be exclusive to Him alone.
Quran 10: 32, which means:
(So, That [Creator and Provider g] is God, your true Lord h, and what is there – apart from the truth – but only the error? i
Then how can you turn aside [from worshipping Him to the worshipping of others j ]?)
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g Who created all these things and made them a provision for you and for your advantages.
h While those, whom you worship apart from God, are not any gods: neither have they created anything which you eat or wear, nor have they created anything else in the earth.
i i.e. there is nothing, after averting from the truth, other than only the falling in the error.
The meaning: when it has been proved that His worshipping is the right thing; so then the worshipping of others, apart from Him, is the falsehood and error.
j In spite of the clear indications that He is the Creator of all things, and no creator of the universe other than He alone.

The interpretation by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly
 

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When any messenger comes to his people, he invites them to worship God Almighty:

Messenger's of another faith. Why should those already faithful to God listen to an alien faith?

the Creator alone and to discard their idols and totems.

They already believed in the Creator. The 'idols and totems' were extra but above all they knew there was a Creator.

They will almost refuse and stick to their traditions.

Most people do. Even Muslims.

So the messenger of God will say to them: Use your minds and think carefully and do not follow your fathers and grandfathers, because they might be wrong.

MIGHT - and that right there is the crux of it all. They MIGHT be wrong.

Or might not.

It is up to the person to decide and if they decide YOU are the wrong, then that is their solid Faith speaking.

Then God will guide whomever He pleases (being kind-hearted), and God will misguide whomever He dislike (being wrong-doers.)

Wrong Do-ers, for denying what an alien God wanted them to do?

Would YOU accept such a person going to you and saying "Your way of Faith and Worship is wrong; choose this way or be labelled Anti-God"? I highly doubt it.

Afterwards, if the messenger prevails, and after the passing of generations, they will resort to their idolatry and will again stick to their traditions thinking that God Himself had commanded their fathers to be idolaters.

No, that's not how it works. If a people return to their ancient ways, it's for various reasons and not just because they 'think God commanded thus'.

This is general for all people whether Muslims or non Muslims:

But for you, Muslims are the only important people.

but Muslims have their Quran which enjoins on them the monotheism

Which other books do as well so the Quran is not that special. It is, like those other books, historically written by Men and edited by Men and made to rule over Men with the excuse of God and displeasing said God as a punishment, using fear of a soul death.

and the 'exclusive devotion to God alone.'

The crux - which version of God deserves the exclusive devotion?

And even though Muslims have fallen in the enthusiasm about Prophet Mohammed to some extent, and some Muslim sects have become enthusiastic about Imam Ali and his sons ... so that if they keep to this enthusiasm, they may become like Christians who fell in the idolatry of glorifying Jesus Christ besides God.

And yet the Faith of Christians is that Jesus IS God - an Avatar, if you will - of God, which is why he holds that High position.

You use that he was a prophet as an excuse to say "He's not God" and that's fine.

But who is to say YOUR prophet was as right as Jesus was, or as the forefather's of the Torah were, about God?

What makes YOUR Faith that much better than others? Because your people deem it the "last"? That's not a reason. That's just an edit in Faith.

Your faith is your own, and that's fine.

Pushing Faith on others, however, is Evil, as evil as you think idolatry and totems are. Because in the end, you are doing to others, what you would not stand be done to you.
 

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Messenger's of another faith. Why should those already faithful to God listen to an alien faith?



They already believed in the Creator. The 'idols and totems' were extra but above all they knew there was a Creator.



Most people do. Even Muslims.



MIGHT - and that right there is the crux of it all. They MIGHT be wrong.

Or might not.

It is up to the person to decide and if they decide YOU are the wrong, then that is their solid Faith speaking.



Wrong Do-ers, for denying what an alien God wanted them to do?

Would YOU accept such a person going to you and saying "Your way of Faith and Worship is wrong; choose this way or be labelled Anti-God"? I highly doubt it.



No, that's not how it works. If a people return to their ancient ways, it's for various reasons and not just because they 'think God commanded thus'.



But for you, Muslims are the only important people.



Which other books do as well so the Quran is not that special. It is, like those other books, historically written by Men and edited by Men and made to rule over Men with the excuse of God and displeasing said God as a punishment, using fear of a soul death.



The crux - which version of God deserves the exclusive devotion?



And yet the Faith of Christians is that Jesus IS God - an Avatar, if you will - of God, which is why he holds that High position.

You use that he was a prophet as an excuse to say "He's not God" and that's fine.

But who is to say YOUR prophet was as right as Jesus was, or as the forefather's of the Torah were, about God?

What makes YOUR Faith that much better than others? Because your people deem it the "last"? That's not a reason. That's just an edit in Faith.

Your faith is your own, and that's fine.

Pushing Faith on others, however, is Evil, as evil as you think idolatry and totems are. Because in the end, you are doing to others, what you would not stand be done to you.
God is not alien, and His religion is not an alien faith.
God is the Creator: the Lord of all nations.

He sent many messengers to guide people against the idolatry which is the equalizing others with Him, and to guide them to worship Him alone and not anyone or anything else, because all other beings are His creatures, and the worship should be to the Creator.

God has many names with different peoples and languages: some call Him God, others call HIm the Great Spirit, others call Him Jehovah, and Allah and Khodah. Still He is the same One God Most Gracious and All-Mighty.

God sent many messengers out of their nations: to call them to worship Him alone and to discard other patrons or idols or totems ... etc.
And He revealed many heavenly books: the Scripture of Abraham, the Torah of Moses, the Psalms of David, the Gospel of Jesus and the Quran to Mohammed.
The first books were distorted and altered, with the exception of the last heavenly book the Quran which is preserved as it is.
The creed principles have been changed into idolatry like the Trinity and claiming a son to God or that Jesus is God Himself, and people by passing of time inclined to follow the idolatry rather than the 'exclusive devotion to God alone.

Therefore, it is not correct to disregard the messenger of God and the book revealed to Him by claiming he is alien.
Prophet Mohammed is sent to all man-kind and genie-kind. And the Quran is far better than all the present heavenly books because they have been altered and edited, while the Quran is known by heart like you know a poem by heart.

The principal teaching of the Quran is to worship God alone and not anyone else.

Quran 7: 158, which means:
(Say [O Mohammed]: "O mankind, I am sent to all a of you, by God Who owns the heavens and the earth b; there is no god but He [alone]; He gives life and causes death.
Believe, then, [O people] in God, and in His messenger: the illiterate prophet [: Mohammed], who believes in God [and does not associate anything with Him], and [believes in] His words [: the Ten Commandments inscribed on the Tablets]; and follow him: that you may be guided [to the way of the truth.]"
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a to all of Jews, Christians, Sabaeans, idolaters and associaters among the Arab and the non-Arab, and others.
b i.e. He owns the planets including the earth.

See the interpretation of this great aya by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly
 
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God is not alien, and His religion is not an alien faith.
God is the Creator: the Lord of all nations.

Torchy, Alien means 'foreign' in this. Meaning that to the Native tribes when they first encountered people from Europe and other places, they were 'alien' to them, So was their God.

English isn't your first language, is it?
 

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Torchy, Alien means 'foreign' in this. Meaning that to the Native tribes when they first encountered people from Europe and other places, they were 'alien' to them, So was their God.

English isn't your first language, is it?
All mankind everywhere (and animals in addition) know God Almighty and the Creator, Who has many names in different languages.
So all creatures everywhere in the universe: they know God the Creator, but most of people set associates and partners with God to worship them besides God.
God's religion is to worship and glorify God alone and to discard all other gods whether human beings, angels, kings, totems or idols.
God is called the Great Spirit by Red Indians; I found one of them called the Wood Cutter who called them to the Great Spirit alone, but after his death they returned to their idolatry and totem worship and therefore, they were about terminated.

 
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