The benefits of socialism.

[petros]

Want a solar domestic hot water system? I know how to get a $6000 unit for sweet FA if you are feeling green but lack the green.

I'm serious.

These puppies can easily run a hot tub all summer and during daylight hours in the winter. With a couple spent water tanks (usually can find for bupkis) They can also heat a 30x30 garage or cottage if insulated well.

They are a god send for camp work sites a hot shower is very appreciated especially when it heated without having to transport tonnes of LPG CNG or oil.

 

[Cliffy]

I'm serious.

These puppies can easily run a hot tub all summer and during daylight hours in the winter. With a couple spent water tanks (usually can find for bupkis) They can also heat a 30x30 garage or cottage if insulated well.

They are a god send for camp work sites a hot shower is very appreciated especially when it heated without having to transport tonnes of LPG CNG or oil.

Sure, I could use one of those. Let me know.

 

[JLM]

Time for people to solar up and restrict their own usage. How many electrical gadgets does each person need anyway?

Electric lights, I suppose the computer until someone invents a propane operated model :lol::lol::lol: I think the most useless and wasteful appliance is the electric clothes dryer.

 

[countryboy]

Electric lights, I suppose the computer until someone invents a propane operated model :lol::lol::lol: I think the most useless and wasteful appliance is the electric clothes dryer.

Yeah, the dryer (and our ovens) really make that hydro meter spin. The most wasteful one I can think of is our old-fashioned hot water tanks. Completely idiotic in terms of energy use.

 

[JLM]

Yeah, the dryer (and our ovens) really make that hydro meter spin. The most wasteful one I can think of is our old-fashioned hot water tanks. Completely idiotic in terms of energy use.

Surely you are not talking the hot water tanks hooked up to the old wood/sawdust burning kitchen ranges? I grew up with one of those- pretty efficient I'd say.

 

[countryboy]

Surely you are not talking the hot water tanks hooked up to the old wood/sawdust burning kitchen ranges? I grew up with one of those- pretty efficient I'd say.

NO, those were great! I'm talking about our "modern" HW tanks that suck up energy like crazy. They're a pretty stupid thing, when you think of it...I'd rather see a reasonably-priced tankless heater...they're available but priced stupidly, probably because they're "special" and there aren't many sold here right now...

 

[Mowich]

I too have lived in British Columbia since the 1940s but my take on Glen Clark is quite different from yours. To be quite honest I can't remember one major thing Glen did that was good. I do remember though that a $100 million mysteriously went missing, I remember an election platform based on a budget surplus that didn't exist, I remember how he bought 3 ferries that were an experiment when a sane person would have bought one, until it was tested before buying the other two. I say as in another game we play, three strikes you're out.

How about the Bingo scandal, JLM, wherein the NDP gave money to charities but demanded a certain portion back. So much for a party for the people.

I found it vastly amusing when Clark ended up working for Jimmy Pattison after he got out of politics. Too bad he didn't see the benefits of capitalism when he was in power.

 

[Mowich]

Electric lights, I suppose the computer until someone invents a propane operated model :lol::lol::lol: I think the most useless and wasteful appliance is the electric clothes dryer.

There is nothing like the sweet smell of clother that have been hung out to dry on the line ( well at least in my area where the winds don't carry much pollution ;-)). I have to agree that clothes dryers waste way too much electricity and they age our clothes faster, besides which there are certain items of clothing that should never be put in a dryer.

 

[ironsides]

Time for people to solar up and restrict their own usage. How many electrical gadgets does each person need anyway?

Depending on where you live, Necessities - you need heat up there, we need A/C down here. How much electricity is needed, more than home brew solar can provide.

 

[YukonJack]

Like the great Margaret Thatcher said: "Socialism is the best system. The only trouble is that sooner or later you will run out of somebody else's money".

 

[Tonington]

Like the great Margaret Thatcher said: "Socialism is the best system. The only trouble is that sooner or later you will run out of somebody else's money".

Hmm, this applies to the credit markets in some nations banking systems too.

 

[JLM]

How about the Bingo scandal, JLM, wherein the NDP gave money to charities but demanded a certain portion back. So much for a party for the people.

I found it vastly amusing when Clark ended up working for Jimmy Pattison after he got out of politics. Too bad he didn't see the benefits of capitalism when he was in power.

Oh, I haven't forgotten that one, but to be fair you can't hang that one on Glen (mind you I couldn't think of a nicer guy to hang it on). Actually I think all that transpired when they weren't in power. It was just the squirmin' and duckin' they had to do while in power.......................:lol::lol:

 

[Cliffy]

Depending on where you live, Necessities - you need heat up there, we need A/C down here. How much electricity is needed, more than home brew solar can provide.

I lived without electricity for 10 years in the seventies and early eighties. Believe me that what we think we need is not the same as what we really need. We have become dependent on electricity like a bunch of junkies. Breaking the habit will be even more difficult but it can be done. I'm thinking of doing "cold turkey" workshops on kicking the habit. Want to have one in your home town?

 

[JLM]

I lived without electricity for 10 years in the seventies and early eighties. Believe me that what we think we need is not the same as what we really need. We have become dependent on electricity like a bunch of junkies. Breaking the habit will be even more difficult but it can be done. I'm thinking of doing "cold turkey" workshops on kicking the habit. Want to have one in your home town?

What??????????? and make old Tom Edison turn in his grave! :lol::lol:

 

[ironsides]

I lived without electricity for 10 years in the seventies and early eighties. Believe me that what we think we need is not the same as what we really need. We have become dependent on electricity like a bunch of junkies. Breaking the habit will be even more difficult but it can be done. I'm thinking of doing "cold turkey" workshops on kicking the habit. Want to have one in your home town?

Seriously, what will you do to keep warm in the winter burn (coal, oil, wood, gas) any, all of them pollute. Down here we live in what used to be a sub tropical forest (gets very hot and humid), going native is not a option for most. I have friends who live in upstate NY, in a cabin heated by a fireplace, lite by kerosene lanterns or candles. I am not saying it cannot be done, just that you will use something else to pollute the environment. The most efficient way is electricity considering the population that must be serviced. Now the question is what do we use to create the electricity. Unless hydroelectric is available, I prefer nuclear power.

My water is heated with solar, don't have the roof area needed to run the whole house though.

 

[Cliffy]

You can have nuclear power!
The point is that you could cut your consumption by 80% and still live a comfortable life.

 

[Cliffy]

What??????????? and make old Tom Edison turn in his grave! :lol::lol:

I don't care if he throws up in his grave. If Tesla had not been thrown into the loony bin by Morgan for suggesting that electricity could be given to everyone for free, we would have all the power we need without pollution and for free. But you can't buck the capitalist pigs.

 

[ironsides]

You can have nuclear power!
The point is that you could cut your consumption by 80% and still live a comfortable life.

Wonder how one could cut back 80% and still have a comfortable life. I have seen what is left of Tulsa's coil out on Long Island. Wonder if they ever got it going. Telsa coils all over te place broadcasting electricity to the world.

 

[Cliffy]

Wonder how one could cut back 80% and still have a comfortable life. I have seen what is left of Tulsa's coil out on Long Island. Wonder if they ever got it going. Telsa coils all over te place broadcasting electricity to the world.

I had a comfortable life with 0% electricity. It just takes a little ingenuity and research. Google alternative energy or generators or engines or any number of things you think are necessary. Try and remove your emotional attachments to stuff when figuring the difference between wants and needs.

 

[JLM]

I had a comfortable life with 0% electricity. It just takes a little ingenuity and research. Google alternative energy or generators or engines or any number of things you think are necessary. Try and remove your emotional attachments to stuff when figuring the difference between wants and needs.

I agree with most of what you say, but I'm not sure that switching from electric lights to kerosene or naptha lanterns would benefit anybody ;and candles can be downright dangerous. I'm not sure gettting rid of the computer would be cost effective either as it saves me buying a lot of postage stamps and even saves driving places sometimes. Clothes dryer should definitely go. I could get along without a T.V. very easily but a radio is a must for me. The electric range could probably go without too much problem, except I'm not set up for a wood burning range. Actually getting back to T.V.s about 75% of the worlds problems could be solved if they all went to the dump. And then of course there's all this kids crap that runs through the T.V. that should go to the dump. Cutting back 60% would probably be no biggie.