The 911 Commission Report is Full of Holes

moghrabi

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585 pages- it's too much to read, so don't even bother folks. They produced this monstrosity to convice you that they've REALLY researched, and you don't have time to look into this like we did, so just trust us: The gov't did their best, but they just weren't prepared for such an attack.

The official 911 Report (7mb pdf) is so full of holes, all you need is common sense to see through their lies- and it doesn't take 585 pages to prove that this a cover-up... using their own document- and a few audio clips they 'forgot' to investigate. (footnotes are pdf page # -not printed page)

http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=2061
 

researchok

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That may well be the case.

But it doesnt change the fact that it was a horrific act of terror perpetrated by terrorists, whose intent was to kill as many people as possible.
 

Reverend Blair

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Hardly anybody questions that, researchok. The question is whether the Bush (and to a lesser extent, Clinton) White House was negligent in dealing with the matter.

That report will not come out until after the election. Since the commission has more Republicans than Democrats, that makes me suspicious that the criticisms may not be gentle at all.
 

researchok

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The report is available now.

Theres enough blame to go round. Everyone fell asleep at the wheel. In Clintons's defense, he was aware of much-- but didnt want to hurt civilians in an attempt to get Al Queda. That's a mistake no one will make again.

He made a few other mistakes- plenty, as did Bush-- but in the end, no one put the pieces together.

Im reading excerpts available online.
 

researchok

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Yup....I saw that.

From where I sit, theres plenty that wasnt addressed. That really isnt surprising though, and was expected, given the sensitive nature of some of the issues and ongoing national security matters.

In the end though, it wasnt Bush or Clinton that was to blame.

That falls squarely on the people who did it and want to cause more harm.
 

researchok

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Because they wanted to.

Israel is not the real issue-- never was. It just provided a convenient excuse.

OBL never gave a damn about the Palestinians till recently. His big cause was getting Infidels out of KSA.

He wants his Khilafah-- in HIS image.
 

Reverend Blair

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I heard (likely on CBC) there was another report coming out strictly about the political handling of terrorism etc. Same commission, I believe, but looking strictly at the actions and non-actions of the White House. That's the one that isn't being released until after the election.

That they didn't put the pieces together is a joke. Human rights groups, various women's groups, and even historical and archaeological societies were pointing to the likelyhood of a major terrorist strike by al Qaeda and the Taliban as a way of getting their issues addressed.

They were ignored and dismissed by two administrations, but their points were valid.
 

Paco

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I don't think anyone can blame Bush or Clinton or the U.S Government. I think we were not prepared because of our attitude. That attitude that pisses so many off.

The cowboy attitude. The confidence. The swagger.

The 911 commission was mostly a waste of time. Its only good may be its recommendations to prevent recurrence. Any finger pointing and Monday morning quarterbacking is useless. No one thought anyone had the balls to attack us on our own soil. 911 could never have been prevented because America would never believe it could happen, even if it was foretold by everyone.

moghrabi said:
No argument there. The people did it to harm the US in a bad way. The question is WHY?

The question of WHY is asked a lot. I wonder why, in light of Osama’s letter to America that gave us the answer. He told us why it was done.

researchok said:
Because they wanted to.

Israel is not the real issue-- never was. It just provided a convenient excuse.

Interesting response. In Osama’s letter, he clearly pointed out we could prevent further attacks by dropping our laws, and following the only law that mattered; the Quran.

I find it completely fascinating that liberal thinking people do not support the war on terrorism. If the war or attacks against America were to succeed, liberals would be the first to come under duress from Islamic beliefs. Homosexuals would be put to death. Women would lose almost all rights, etc. The logic eludes me.
 

Reverend Blair

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No one thought anyone had the balls to attack us on our own soil. 911 could never have been prevented because America would never believe it could happen, even if it was foretold by everyone.

There had already been an attack on the WTC by Muslim extremists though. bin Laden had declared war on the US. That those things were not taken seriously is a major problem.

I find it completely fascinating that liberal thinking people do not support the war on terrorism.

That isn't exactly true. Stopping terrorism is supported by the left. The way this "war on terrorism" is being carried out is not supported largely because it is not a war on terror, but a war for control of resources.

That's been lost in the "with us or agin us" rhetoric of George Bush....that cowboy attitude you were mentioning doesn't work very well outside of Texas.
 

researchok

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I think youre right on the mark with that, rev.

Very few voices tok the problem of terror seriously. In addition, we didnt want to go after terrorists if it meant hitting civilians (remember Saddams anti aircraft batterries on hospital roofs and his 'armories' in primary schools?).

I dont think in post 9/11 world, we'd be that squeamish again.
 

vista

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No argument there. The people did it to harm the US in a bad way. The question is WHY?

A central question... with no sufficient answer.

Why would al-Qaida attack America? What purpose does it serve? al-Qaida is America's best friend. Attacks against America give the Americans the excuse to invade and occupy Middle East countries. This serves al-Qaida's interest?

Canadian writer Gwynne Dyer: "He [George Bush] thinks that the terrorists are trying to make Americans unhappy in order to 'induce them to accept terrorist demands?' What demands could the Islamist terrorists of al-Qaida possibly make that the United States could conceivably grant?

Fly them all to Havana? Convert to Islam? Put the money in unmarked notes in a brown paper bag and leave it behind the radiator? The whole notion that this is some sort of giant extortion operation is as naive (or as wilfully ignorant) as the Bush administration's pet explanation that the terrorists attack the U.S. because 'they hate our freedoms.' Unfortunately, the post-9-11 intellectual climate in the United States has prevented any serious discussion of the terrorists' goals and their strategies for achieving them.

The Islamist radicals have always been completely open about their goals. They want to take power in the Muslim countries (phase one of the project), and then unite the entire Muslim world in a final struggle to overthrow the power of the West (phase two). They are still stuck in phase one, with little to show for it despite 30 years of trying, so in the early 1990s Osama bin Laden and his colleagues switched from head-on assaults on the regimes in Muslim countries to direct attacks on Western targets. Yet their first-phase goal remains seizing power in the Muslim world, not some fantasy about "bringing the West to its knees."

British and American foreign policy is based on a series of highly improbable theories, the biggest of which is that an evil Saudi millionaire genius in a cave in the Hindu Kush controls a secret worldwide network of ‘tens of thousands of terrorists’ ‘in more than 60 countries’ (George Bush).

News reports frequently tell us that terrorist organisations, such as those which have attacked Bali or Istanbul, have ‘links’ to al-Qa’eda, but we never learn quite what those ‘links’ are. According to two terrorism experts in California, Adam Dolnik and Kimberly McCloud, this is because they do not exist.

The al-Qaida myth...

"There are always has been and will be 2-bit terrorists. Right now all disgruntled and disillusioned individuals, all small-time 'terrorists' use the Al-qaeda moniker to exaggerate their threat -- they claim to be 'Al-qaeda.'

The US desperately, NEEDS Al-qaeda and promotes them whenever possible. Al-qaeda is the U.S. and international "bogeyman" able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. Sleeper cells and a network of thousands? No.

An asset to the U.S.? Yes. Just cry the name Al-qaeda or bin-Laden and this is their justification for all domestic policy restricting civil rights and for aggressive foreign actions. The ignorant public then rallies around the administration."

9/11 was an inside job. Don't we all accepct that? If not. Why not?

The Incompetence Theory: The most extensive incompetence theory in history implies that incredible incompetence was manifested by FBI agents, FAA flight controllers, NMCC officials, NORAD officials, and jet fighter pilots, among others.

Momentarily they all became incredibly incompetent. A coincident? With available evidence, the coincident theory requires even greater credulity.


A Freudian Slip of the Tongue: Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld in the Pentagon on October 12, 2001, in which he, in speaking of the various kinds of weapons used by the terrorists, referred to "the missile [used] to damage this building."

David Ray Griffin -- The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions about the Bush Administration and 9/11

This book analyzes various theories... from Let it Happen to Make it Happen... looking at the evidence Make it Happen is clearly the conclusion.

"Part of the impulse to deny is a desparate wish to avoid coming face-to-face with the gruesome realites that are embedded in the power structure of government that controls our lives. Griffin's book is a much-needed anti-dote for the collective denial that has paralyzed the conscience and consciousness of the the nation... After all there has been a long history of manipulated public beliefs, especially in matters of war and peace."


When Rather asked, if he (Bearden) thought bin Laden was responsible for 9/11, Bearden downright snubbed the possibility. Bearden explained "a far more sophisticated intelligence operation had to be behind these precise coordinated attacks... if they didn't have a bin Laden they would have invented one."

Friendly-fire and False-flag terrorism share the same objectives: governments orchestrate terrorist attacks to be carried out on their own soil in order to strike fear in the population and to create a "public enemy".

German Minister of Technology (which included supervision of German intelligence - the BND), Andreas von Bülow:

"This tactic is called a “false flag operation” or a “false flag recruitment”, used by both the CIA and Mossad for purposes of propaganda. “Ninety-five percent of the work of the intelligence agencies around the world is deception and disinformation,” von Bülow said, which is widely propagated in the mainstream media creating an accepted version of events.

“Journalists don’t even raise the simplest questions,” he said, adding, “those who differ are labeled as crazy.” "

The 9/11 participants were mules in a sophisticated intelligence operation.

http://www.newsgateway.ca/9_11_Truth_and_Lies.htm

http://www.newsgateway.ca/9_11_aircraft_remote_control_.htm

http://www.newsgateway.ca/terrorism.htm

Truth, Lies, and The Legend of 9/11

What follows is a reconstruction of one of the most extensive disinformation campaigns in history, and the chronicle of a legend that may now shine a devastating spotlight on some of the cliques behind 9/11.

Chaim Kupferberg

October 21, 2003 - Many of the more popular theories concerning September 11 rest on a selective reading of the facts. In other words, they focus on certain elements of the story - failing, in the end, to account for a wide-ranging number of facts and anomalies that cannot be adequately accounted for by such theories. As one prime example, the complacency theory for 9/11 only works so long as one studiously and consistently ignores the compelling circumstantial evidence for all the various well-timed coincidences that stubbornly recur in practically every rudimentary recitation of the facts.

Whether the 9/11 disinformation campaign has been conducted for the purposes of a truly new world order, or simply for oil, geopolitical stability, monopolization of utilities, water, food, or population control by way of viral threats - any one specific agenda at this time cannot be proven beyond a reasonable doubt (in the fullest legal sense). Perhaps an intended new order encompasses all of the above, involving an intersection of a number of common interests.

What I am suggesting, then, is the existence of a covert global political network operating through an increasingly sophisticated corporate and media infrastructure. Carl Bernstein (of Watergate fame), estimated that there were as many as 500 journalists in the United States on the C.I.A. payroll. Moreover, former C.I.A. Director William Colby had gone on record as revealing, "The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any major significance in the major media."

But my main point is that, like the Official 9/11 Legend, these counter-legends exist - and indeed were built in - so as to furnish a number of false leads, thereby obscuring the most essential fact that a long-standing covert infrastructure has stage-managed both the crimes and the cover-ups, while parceling out the information to various witting - and unwitting - operatives. It is the classic case of not seeing the forest for the trees.

Likewise, we can not be sure as to which political players are kept in line through financial or sexual bribery, and which of those have come on board for purely ideological reasons.

As I stated before, one way to pull off a tightly compartmentalized conspiracy is to ensure that all key parties are potentially open to blackmail, thereby ensuring that no one individual player may grab the upper hand by unilaterally incriminating the others.

We need to counter the psychological herd mentality which compels the masses among these groups to follow the designs of those higher up in authority. There are, at present, likely thousands of decent law-abiding Americans who have witnessed many aspects of the anomalies described herein, yet they have been intimidated or discouraged from revealing what they know. Without a powerful countervailing elite group to harvest their testimonies and "mainstream" the incriminating evidence, they are left with no recourse but to remain silent.

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/KUP310A.html

[this is a large document that reads like a Robert Ludlum novel - an historic opus that must NOT go unread]
 

American Voice

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Osama bin Laden fancies himself the ruler of Saudi Arabia. It is said of the obsessive man that he interprets everything in terms of the object of his obsession. Osama's eagerness to employ his share of his father's fortune in pursuit of radical causes was tainted by his CIA affiliation in Afghanistan, and meant that he had to somehow distance himself from the latter, by employing liberal amounts of the former. Ergo, 9/11.

Moghrabi writes: "585 pages- it's too much to read, so don't even bother folks. They produced this monstrosity to convice you that they've REALLY researched, and you don't have time to look into this like we did, so just trust us: The gov't did their best, but they just weren't prepared for such an attack."

It's a rhetorical black hole.
 

vista

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The central question with any operation is: Who benefits?

Certainly not any of the 50 million Muslims under U.S. military control/influence.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/cg...ewilderness.com/free/ww3/032504_cui_bono.html

Catherine Austin Fitts is the President of Solari in Hickory Valley, Tennessee.

Ms. Fitts is a former managing director and member of the board of directors of Dillon Read & Co, Inc, a former Assistant Secretary of Housing-Federal Housing Commissioner in the first Bush Administration, and President of The Hamilton Securities Group, Inc.
 

vista

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I am doing my weekend update...

Here is something to consider and not the first time Mr. Margolis has referred to this fact - see above links...

Iran new U.S. whipping boy -- Those who deceived America into attacking Iraq may be at it again, cautions Eric Margolis
There has been no real evidence produced that Iran knew of the 9/11 attacks or assisted them.

In fact, the Bush administration has still never produced the white paper promised by Colin Powell in late 2001 proving bin Laden and al-Qaida were behind 9/11.

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/Columnists/Toronto/Eric_Margolis/2004/07/25/556378.html

Denial abounds.
 

Reverend Blair

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All these conspiracies and players.

Thousands of them, all keeping secrets.

It doesn't require a conspiracy...just a bunch of individuals pushing their own agendas and covering up their own mistakes. Suddenly it looks like a vast and complex conspiracy, but it's so vast and so complex that nobody can believe it so they believe whatever they are told. The people telling them things are still pushing their own agendas and covering up their own mistakes though.

The main conspirators are greed and incompetence. The rest are just bit players.