That Saturday knock on the door by Jehovah's Witnesses is not the only thing you have

tay

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to be afraid of.

The unscheduled knock on the door is something we very frequently associate with either bad news or something deeply unsettling. like the cops delivering bad news or a sales person and such.

Is the Federal Nuke Commish trying to send a message? What could Stevie have to say about this?


When Beverley Fernandez came to her front door one day last week, she found two Ontario Provincial Police constables patiently waiting.

Fernandez, who opposes plans to bury nuclear waste on the Lake Huron shoreline near her Kincardine-area home, was scheduled to testify at an environmental assessment hearing into the scheme.

The officers had tracked her down. Now, they told her, they were there to help. In particular, they wanted to help by knowing if her advocacy group, Stop the Great Lakes Nuclear Dump, was planning any demonstrations.

They told her that plenty of plain clothed officers would be present at the hearings. They said they weren’t trying to stifle anyone’s free speech. And then, very politely, they left.

This performance was repeated with several dump-site critics but, curiously, none of the advocates of the plan except for Kincardine Mayor Larry Kraemer received such 'courtesy calls.'

Former provincial deputy environment minister Rod McLeod, who lives in the area, said he knows of at least six dump critics who were approached by police for a quiet chat.

The subliminal message, he said, is patently obvious: Behave yourself; we’ll be watching.

Who instigated these obvious attempts at intimidation? According to OPP Sgt. David Rektor, the liaison team took it upon themselves, as the OPP likes to have a “proactive approach” in situations where there might be “two ideas opposed to each other.”

Unfortunately, this version of 'the truth' does not square with that of the spokesman for Ontario Power Generation, Neal Kelly's. In an email, he said that the OPP’s “engagement” came at the request of the Canadian Nuclear Safety Commission and “local municipalities.”

Perhaps the question of who instigated the 'visits' is ultimately of secondary importance. What is of paramount significance is the fact that the Ontario Provincial Police are attempting to intimidate and stifle the expression of an opinion that some do not like, clearly evidenced by the fact that none of the groups advocating for the nuclear dump site were visited.


OPP quiz opponents to Lake Huron nuclear dump prior to hearings: Walkom | Toronto Star
 

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In today's edition of The Star, Thomas Walkom reports that the OPP is now exporting its tactics to the United States, but instead of the knock on the door they are using the telephone:

Toledo, Ohio resident Michael Leonardi says he received a phone call at home from the OPP’s provincial liaison team asking about his scheduled appearance before the federal review panel looking into plans to bury low- and intermediate-level radioactive waste along Ontario’s Lake Huron shoreline.

In particular, police wanted to know if any protests were planned, he said.

The officer was very nice,” Leonardi, a member of the Toledo Coalition for Safe Energy, told me Sunday. “He said there was some possibility that organizations like Greenpeace might demonstrate and that police didn’t want any fatalities.”

And yes, Leonardi insists that the word used was “fatalities.”


As Walkom notes, it is not unusual for the police to be proactive when large groups are planning demonstrations, working with them to coordinate traffic stoppages, etc. What appears to be unprecedented is their contact of people merely planning to attend a federal hearing to express their opposition.

Says American Michael Leonardi:

... he has testified at Ontario nuclear hearings before. But this is the first time he’s been vetted by police ahead of time.

“I was just kind of surprised,” he said. “The guy was nice enough on his own. But I couldn’t help but think the call was meant to deter me from testifying.”

But of course, that is surely a mistaken impression. Our police trying to interfere with our Charter Rights?

That could never happen in Canada, right?????
 

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This is terrible! I INSIST that the police immediately cease and desist in communicating with citizens! ALL police activity must be secret, and never revealed to the public!
 

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Or could it be at all possible that some whack job made a threat and they were proactively investigating? Now I'm not saying it is or it isn't but that is at least a possibility.

So many things often depend on how you choose to look at them.
 

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Or could it be at all possible that some whack job made a threat and they were proactively investigating? Now I'm not saying it is or it isn't but that is at least a possibility.

So many things often depend on how you choose to look at them.
Yep, to some folks when the police don't talk to the public, they're secretive fascists, and when they do, they're intimidating thugs.

Or maybe somebody sees an opportunity to get some column inches for their cause by screaming about the Gestapo.



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Yep, to some folks when the police don't talk to the public, they're secretive fascists, and when they do, they're intimidating thugs.

Or maybe somebody sees an opportunity to get some column inches for their cause by screaming about the Gestapo.

There does seem to be a real popularity of black/white and either/or kind of thinking. It lends itself to jumping too quickly to conclusions.

I have always hated the propensity to haul out the 'nazi' 'thug' or whatever label. Solutions will only work with specific problems, like keys in a lock. Exaggerating or misidentifying the problem, in the end, it does more harm than good because it prevents even the potential application of real solutions to a real problem and, personally speaking, it's a constant frustration of mine just trying to get some people to see that.


I love that movie, lol.
 

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There does seem to be a real popularity of black/white and either/or kind of thinking. It lends itself to jumping too quickly to conclusions.

I have always hated the propensity to haul out the 'nazi' 'thug' or whatever label. Solutions will only work with specific problems, like keys in a lock. Exaggerating or misidentifying the problem, in the end, it does more harm than good because it prevents even the potential application of real solutions to a real problem and, personally speaking, it's a constant frustration of mine just trying to get some people to see that.
Boy howdy, if stupid frustrates you, you must be on massive doses of blood pressure medicine.

Learn to laugh at the monkeys.

For example, check out the Ted Cruz thread. The same monkey who lies in saying that Obama was not born in the U.S., and therefore cannot be President, wants Cruz to be President even though Cruz freely admits he was born in the Fascist Dictatorship of Canadastan.
 

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Boy howdy, if stupid frustrates you, you must be on massive doses of blood pressure medicine.

Not really, I just have learned many effective ways to avoid speaking to stupid people directly. Lol. Instead I tend to talk 'near' them, ;).

Learn to laugh at the monkeys.
Stay away from the monkeys, the stuff they throw is not pleasant.

At the very least if you can't stay away, avoid wearing white.