Shut Up about Iran

[Socrates the Greek]

Religion had no part in Iraqi politics, yet I'll bet you were in favor of liberating the Iraqis too. Since the 2003 Operation Iraq Liberation (OIL), more than a million Iraqis died and about 5 million or 1/6 of their population were displaced.

Personally I'm amazed that so many people still believe our news media without question.

The case that Iran's election was rigged is not proven or supported by any irrefutable evidence. All we have are videos of demonstrations, statements by the losers and a lot of media hype.

I'm not saying that these elections were free and fair. I'm saying I don't know either way and neither does anyone else outside of Iran.

If you think that religion had nothing to do with this up rising in Iran TODAY, you are very wrong. Back in the days of the Shaw in Iran, these theocratic f heads were exiled because they were like a rock in the shoe of DEMOCRACY.
The youth of Iran have the right to free speech and free assembly within Iran and they will be able to destroy the religious rulers, they are destroyable, their days are numbered. Dement cave men, lazy losers they must go.

 

[earth_as_one]

If you think that religion had nothing to do with this up rising in Iran TODAY, you are very wrong. Back in the days of the Shaw in Iran, these theocratic f heads were exiled because they were like a rock in the shoe of DEMOCRACY.
The youth of Iran have the right to free speech and free assembly within Iran and they will be able to destroy the religious rulers, they are destroyable, their days are numbered. Dement cave men, lazy losers they must go.

The Shaw was put in power by a covert US and British operation which overthrew the democratically elected Iranian government. Life under the Shah was hardly peaceful or democratic:

TIME
Secrets of History
The CIA in Iran

The Central Intelligence Agency's secret history of its covert operation to overthrow Iran's government in 1953 offers an inside look at how the agency stumbled into success, despite a series of mishaps that derailed its original plans.

Written in 1954 by one of the coup's chief planners, the history details how United States and British officials plotted the military coup that returned the shah of Iran to power and toppled Iran's elected prime minister, an ardent nationalist.

The document shows that:


Britain, fearful of Iran's plans to nationalize its oil industry, came up with the idea for the coup in 1952 and pressed the United States to mount a joint operation to remove the prime minister.

The C.I.A. and S.I.S., the British intelligence service, handpicked Gen. Fazlollah Zahedi to succeed Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh and covertly funneled $5 million to General Zahedi's regime two days after the coup prevailed.

Iranians working for the C.I.A. and posing as Communists harassed religious leaders and staged the bombing of one cleric's home in a campaign to turn the country's Islamic religious community against Mossadegh's government.

The shah's cowardice nearly killed the C.I.A. operation. Fearful of risking his throne, the Shah repeatedly refused to sign C.I.A.-written royal decrees to change the government. The agency arranged for the shah's twin sister, Princess Ashraf Pahlevi, and Gen. H. Norman Schwarzkopf, the father of the Desert Storm commander, to act as intermediaries to try to keep him from wilting under pressure. He still fled the country just before the coup succeeded.

New York Times Special Report: The C.I.A. in Iran

Iranian life under the Shah was brutal and oppressed, worse even than under Iran's current Theocratic rule.

Ministry of Security SAVAK

Shah-an-Shah [King of Kings] Mohammad Reza Pahlevi was restored to the Peacock Throne of Iran with the assistance of the Central Intelligence Agency in 1953. CIA mounted a coup against the left-leaning government of Dr. Mohammad Mossadeq, which had planned to nationalize Iran's oil industry. CIA subsequently provided organizational and and training assistance for the establishment of an intelligence organization for the Shah. With training focused on domestic security and interrogation, the primary purpose of the intelligence unit, headed by General Teymur Bakhtiar, was to eliminate threats to Shah.

Formed under the guidance of United States and Israeli intelligence officers in 1957, SAVAK developed into an effective secret agency. Bakhtiar was appointed its first director, only to be dismissed in 1961, allegedly for organizing a coup; he was assassinated in 1970 under mysterious circumstances, probably on the shah's direct order. His successor, General Hosain Pakravan, was dismissed in 1966, allegedly for having failed to crush the clerical opposition in the early 1960s. The shah turned to his childhood friend and classmate, General Nematollah Nassiri, to rebuild SAVAK and properly "serve" the monarch. Mansur Rafizadeh, the SAVAK director in the United States throughout the 1970s, claimed that General Nassiri's telephone was tapped by SAVAK agents reporting directly to the shah, an example of the level of mistrust pervading the government on the eve of the Revolution.

SAVAK increasingly to symbolized the Shah's rule from 1963-79, a period of corruption in the royal family, one-party rule, the torture and execution of thousands of political prisoners, suppression of dissent, and alienation of the religious masses. The United States reinforced its position as the Shah's protector and supporter, sowing the seeds of the anti-Americanism that later manifested itself in the revolution against the monarchy.

SAVAK [Ministry of Security] Iran Intelligence Agencies

I'm not saying Iran is a pure democracy, or a fair and just society. Iran should have been left to the Iranians back in 1953. US and British meddling in Iranian affairs has a long history and its likely that events of today include at least some degree of outside interference.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

The Shaw was put in power by a covert US and British operation which overthrew the democratically elected Iranian government. Life under the Shah was hardly peaceful or democratic:



Iranian life under the Shah was brutal and oppressed, worse even than under Iran's current Theocratic rule.



I'm not saying Iran is a pure democracy, or a fair and just society. Iran should have been left to the Iranians back in 1953. US and British meddling in Iranian affairs has a long history and its likely that events of today include at least some degree of outside interference.

I'm saying there is a lot of evidence and history which supports Iran's leader's claims that there is far more to this story than what appears in our news.

Millions of Iranians taking to the streets in protest with blood spilled is internal, not external; although I agree the Briths as well, the Americans have past involvements that keep the hate level high with in the theocratic doorknobs.
Religion should not be involed with the politics of a country.

It makes me angry to see a hand full of losers who preach religion and to insure popularity and detainment of power they want to be everything and will kill to insure detainment of power. A corrupt bunch hiding behind theocracy. They are a pathetic example of modern thinking and they have to go.

 

[EagleSmack]

Religion had no part in Iraqi politics, yet I'll bet you were in favor of liberating the Iraqis too. Since the 2003 Operation Iraq Liberation (OIL), more than a million Iraqis died and about 5 million or 1/6 of their population were displaced.

One Million died...:lol:...make it a BILLION!

 

[darkbeaver]

One Million died...:lol:...make it a BILLION!

A billion it is then, remember you wanted it that way.

 

[petros]

One Million died...:lol:...make it a BILLION!

You volunteering to make the numbers?

 

[earth_as_one]

One Million died...:lol:...make it a BILLION!

Yes over a million violent deaths attributable to the US led invasion.

On Friday, 14 September 2007, ORB (Opinion Research Business), an independent polling agency located in London, published estimates of the total war casualties in Iraq since the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.[1] At over 1.2 million deaths (1,220,580), this estimate is the highest number published so far. From the poll margin of error of +/-2.5% ORB calculated a range of 733,158 to 1,446,063 deaths. The ORB estimate was performed by a random survey of 1,720 adults aged 18+, out of which 1,499 responded, in fifteen of the eighteen governorates within Iraq, between August 12 and August 19, 2007.[2][3] In comparison, the 2006 Lancet survey suggested almost half this number (654,965 deaths) through the end of June 2006. The Lancet authors calculated a range of 392,979 to 942,636 deaths.

On 28 January 2008, ORB published an update based on additional work carried out in rural areas of Iraq. Some 600 additional interviews were undertaken and as a result of this the death estimate was revised to 1,033,000 with a given range of 946,000 to 1,120,000.[4]

ORB survey of Iraq War casualties - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You'd think that number would be well known by every American. Yet you ask the average American how much blood they have on their hands in Iraq and just like you they can't name a number.

 

[darkbeaver]

Yes over a million violent deaths attributable to the US led invasion.



You'd think that number would be well known by every American. Yet you ask the average American how much blood they have on their hands in Iraq and just like you they can't name a number.

If you listen to Canadian media you'll always hear the low figure preferred by the machine. The west is doomed by thier own lies.

 

[darkbeaver]

No country is more heavily religified than Uncle Spam.

 

[petros]

If those 2003 to present were to include 1992 to present with all the D.U. deaths and the deaths of the American soldiers who fired the D.U. in Desert Storm what would be looking at for dead?

 

[darkbeaver]

The dead of the last twenty years of military and economic warfare must be thirty million, I would guess. And I read today that there are 1 billion hovering on the edge of starvation. The green revolution was slime the neo-liberal globalization crap was a murdering scheme from the beginning. DU will continue to kill and maim for centuries maybe.

 

[L Gilbert]

Gotta love authoritarian theocracies:

YouTube - Iran young women shot by paramilitary died in front camera

YouTube - Basij shots to death a young woman in Tehran's Saturday June 20th protests

Tiannenmen Square comes to mind.

 

[earth_as_one]

Neda's death is sad and tragic. Iranian security forces appear responsible. The government's reaction to her death (No investigation, no public mourning and a quick burial) implies guilt. No doubt anti-Iranian forces in the west will continue to exploit this woman's death to further their anti-Iran agendas.

Iran's demonstrations appear to be genuine and spontaneous. But western intelligence agencies appear to be playing a significant role in sustaining them, leading to more violence and death. Most twitter activity appears to be coming from the US, during times when Iranians are sleeping. The main objective of this US originating twitter activity appears to be inciting anti-Iran-government protests.

Iran isn't the most democratic country in the world. But it is far more democratic than Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan... to name a few middle east dictatorships receiving billions in US aid each year. Few people in the west criticize these autocratic governments. Iran's reaction to these protests is far more restrained than what could be expected if any of those regimes faced a threat to their authority. I doubt our news would cover anti-government protests in those countries with the same zeal.

So far the confirmed death toll in Iran related to protests is 19. About 500 people have been detained. Western media hype has created a much different perception.

Iran should allow free speech and peaceful protest. They should recount the vote or hold a run off election. The purpose wouldn't be to satisfy the west but satisfy Iranians, that they have a free and fair electoral system.

 

[Kreskin]

CNN must own Twitter. If not for CNN it wouldn't be on the radar screen. It's a pretty crappy lame site. Rick Sanchez started pushing it during the Presidential campaign. He read stuff live as if any of the comments meant anything. Now Don Lemon runs his entire news jockey edition from Twitter. It's a bloody joke.

 

[EagleSmack]

Yes over a million violent deaths attributable to the US led invasion.

It is a baseless number...the million death number is baloney.

You'd think that number would be well known by every American. Yet you ask the average American how much blood they have on their hands in Iraq and just like you they can't name a number.

It shouldn't be well known because it is a false and made up number.

The following link is from an independent group. In fact when you read the webpage they are anti-war. They count and have counted all the deaths in Iraq.

Iraq Body Count

You may not like what they have to say.

 

[EagleSmack]

Gotta love authoritarian theocracies:

They are just so wonderful over there.

Isn't it great how some folks in here still adore the Revolutionary Council and Ahmadinejad.

Tiannenmen Square comes to mind.

I agree.

 

[EagleSmack]

So far the confirmed death toll in Iran related to protests is 19. About 500 people have been detained. Western media hype has created a much different perception.

More like 10,000 dead!

 

[darkbeaver]

Why not make it a million ES?

 

[Kreskin]

Make it what ever you want it to be. Post a number on Twitter. Don Lemon will reference it 50 times a day.

 

[darkbeaver]

It is a baseless number...the million death number is baloney.





It shouldn't be well known because it is a false and made up number.

The following link is from an independent group. In fact when you read the webpage they are anti-war. They count and have counted all the deaths in Iraq.

Iraq Body Count

You may not like what they have to say.

Iraq Body Count finds a task worth their time

October 24th, 2006
Because they are based on media reports, it is clear that Iraq Body Count’s reports of numbers of Iraqi civilians dead from violence are clearly an undercount. IBC points this out in occaisional asides. Nonetheless, the media have routinely reported (until very recently) IBC’s numbers as if they were the actual number killed in Iraq, rather than the number reported in the Western press. IBC usually claims they have no idea what the real number is and says “we don’t do estimates,” despite sometimes estimating that they believe they capture around 50% of the deaths.
Further, IBC has repeatdly claimed to be too busy to make any effort to correct these media distortions of their numbers. Nor could they be bothered to protest when the British Government incorectly cites their figures as “the” number of civilian dead in Iraq. They stand mute when President Bush cited a figure apparently coming from their estimates.
But, when higher estimates [of 600,000 dead] are published by some of the top epidemiologists in the area of mortality estimation in conflict situations, IBC sees red. There appears to be no limit to the time they will spend casting aspersions on the epidemiologists and their