Should Trudeau Be More Aggressive with Albertchewan?

B00Mer

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Alberta separation won't happen..

Canadians love to talk, but they don't have the backbone to separate..

Beside Jason Kenney is a Federalist.. he won't push the separatists agenda.

Trudeau will have to build the pipeline, like it or not
 

spilledthebeer

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In truth I dont pay much attention to what Enbridge does....................................


nor do I know of any relatively recent changes to oil distribution habits..................................


that may have been mandated by closure of smaller refineries and consolidation of refinery production



in a few BIG refineries!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


From my reading I know that Pierre Trudope originally set up a price compensation system that would charge extra tax on gas sold in



the west and that tax would get used to subsidize oil bought for eastern Canada.............................


that came from Venezuela ...................................


the idea being to balance out how much we all pay for gas!!!!!!!


I have no doubt that much of the Pierre system has been dismantled for one reason or another so who knows....................


maybe Montreal DOES NOW get oil from out west and I have not noticed the change??????????????
 

Twin_Moose

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Trudeau taps prominent transition advisers in nod to Alberta, Quebec

McLellan served as the Liberal member of Parliament for Edmonton Northwest from 1993 to 2006 and held the posts of minister of natural resources and minister of justice during her time in office. She most recently made headlines when Trudeau brought her on to conduct a review of whether the roles of minister of justice and attorney general should be separated in the wake of findings of improper political interference by his office in the SNC-Lavalin scandal.

Isn't this the person that commented that Canada won't run out of money we'll just print more?
 

Tecumsehsbones

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What on Earth are you talking about?? What does a thread about Alberta have to do with Trump?
He's referring to the fact that both Trudeau and Trump won when they came second in the popular vote. Trumpites (and I) have been shrugging and saying "Meh, that's the way the system is and has always been. Quit whining." But now the Canadian Trumpites (many of them, anyhow) are pissing and moaning about the fact that your system allows the one who came second to be PM, and always has.
 

spilledthebeer

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Trudeau taps prominent transition advisers in nod to Alberta, Quebec



Isn't this the person that commented that Canada won't run out of money we'll just print more?






Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And she is of that generation of LIE-berals left over from the Jean Chretien era..........................


that GOT ELECTED on a promise to kill NAFTA................................


and then RENEGED on the promise in the usual LIE-beral style!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals even went so far as to tell Cdns not to worry about Mexican workers taking Cdn jobs.............................


because "Mexicans have such poor nutrition they are not able to work like Cdns"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


In related news......................................


JUST HOW WILLING are LIE-beral friendly news media types to FEED US LIES????????????????????


A while back we got a news report that the Ozone layer hole was Expanding again...........................


because many third world countries have resumed using banned chemicals such as Freon...............................


because they are CHEAPER than other less harmful chemicals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And YET - more recent articles - meaning newer by a few months..........................


now tell us that the Ozone layer is recovering NICELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So WHICH IS IT????????????????????


Further deterioration - OR NICE IMPROVEMENT????????????????????????????


And does this confusion have ANYTHING to do with the LIE-beral carbon tax SCAM...........................


and the LIE-beral carbon credit FANTASY???????????????????????????


Our idiot Boy has been shipping TWO BILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR to Viet Nam..........................


to purchase "carbon credits to compensate" for Cdn pollution!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But NO LIE-beral CAN EXPLAIN HOW giving gravy to third world pest holes..................................


SO THEY CAN EXPAND their carbon foot print at our expense can solve anything environment related???????????????????????


And now we have this contradiction about Ozone.............................


and have LIE-berals decided it is EXPEDIENT TO LIE to us.........................


in defense of their carbon CRAP SCAMS???????????????????????



Is this why news reports are trying to both suck and blow on Ozone issues?????????????????????????


Is it ALL a LIE-beral COVER UP???????????????????????????
 

Ron in Regina

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From: http://thestarphoenix.com/opinion/c...enation-and-its-independence-cousin-very-real

Accept for a moment the Toronto media narrative, spun through the Laurentian echo chamber in Ottawa, that “RedNexit” is the latest protest from the hicks living “out” West, unhappy with the outcome of the federal election.

Some of the impetus for Western political separatism comes from a legitimate sense of alienation, wrapped in a visceral dislike for a prime minister who cavalierly disregards the Prairie resource economy, agriculture and extractive industries.

At the same time, Justin Trudeau makes it clear that he has no respect for the people whose hard work and taxes fund an equalization formula in need of change and even the national government’s Canada Pension Plan (CPP), which Quebec opted out of 50 years ago, that disproportionately taxes more youthful Prairie employees and their employers.

Ditto for an inefficient and costly carbon tax that harms families and businesses in Saskatchewan and Alberta more profoundly than others. Compounding Prairie alienation are Bills C-69 and C-48, passed into law, which deliberately create high completion risk, uncertainty and delay, and a disincentive for anyone to invest in energy projects.

And there is the Trudeau government’s wilful strategy, illustrated by pipeline cancellations and delays, to sacrifice oil and energy development on the altar of climate politics and the “new green” economy.

To be sure, some of the separatists — but far from all — are the same cranks who jump on the first floats in a grievance parade, or spend their time shadow boxing the globalists of the New World Order or hooking up with Max Bernier’s People’s Party of Canada.

But it would be a fatal mistake for Canada to dismiss a real and profound sense of alienation which goes deeper into the ranks of thoughtful policy-makers, premiers past and present, and community leaders — not yet separatists — who are simply fed up with a Canada that no longer works for us.

An Ipsos poll this week can be read as alienation and separatism being rungs on the same ladder. The statement “Canada is more divided than ever” finds agreement among 79 per cent of Albertans and 77 per cent of Saskatchewanians. On the view that it is better for our provinces to politically split away from Canada, 27 per cent of Saskatchewan people agree, as do 33 per cent in Alberta.

While some promote separatism, others of us who prefer Canada see an opportunity for a strong, purposeful and resilient Prairie pushback against policies from Ottawa that must change.

Some Western organization — perhaps the Buffalo Project, Canada West Foundation or other — should be prepared to convene a conference in the next 100 days to openly examine issues and canvas options available to Saskatchewan and Alberta.

In no particular order, review the equalization formula and re-examine some of the 2001 Alberta Agenda, or so-called “firewall” options, including opting out of CPP and establishing provincial pension plans; taking control from the federal government of all tax collection and immigration; resuming full provincial responsibility for health care policy; cancelling RCMP contract policing and creating a provincial police force — all of which have been done for decades by Quebec.

Also, a conference could invite political and legal academics, constitutional scholars and experts in international law to canvas other issues, including but not limited to: Canada’s Clarity Act; the constitutional issues underlying a unique or distinct relationship with the Prairie West within the federation; the domestic and international legal requirements for limited or full political independence should the relationship with Canada deteriorate; the scope of important consultations required to address or renegotiate pre-existing treaties and inherent treaty rights with Indigenous people; and post-secession access to markets and trade.

In addressing Prairie alienation, Trudeau knows what he has to do — or, more properly, stop doing. If he does not meaningfully address Western concerns it shouldn’t be said that all those unhappy people “out” West are going to any longer sit idle or silent. We aren’t.

 

Twin_Moose

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Another slap in the face, as per getting out of coal for power memorandum Sask. is getting carbon tax penalized for putting up a less Carbon polluting NG power plant to supply Moose Jaw, Regina and Mosaic mines. The project will cost $800 Million will be Carbon taxes $350 Million per year, almost 1/2 the value of the plant every year, wow.

Moose Jaw gas plant will pay carbon tax on its emissions, minister confirms

The wheels are moving again on the plans for a 350-megawatt natural gas plant near Moose Jaw, Sask. The plant will be generating power for Belle Plaine, Moose Jaw and Regina as well as some surrounding communities.
According to the Minister Responsible for SaskPower Dustin Duncan, that corridor is in need of load capacity for power and it looks like it will stay that way in the future.
Talks for the plant began in 2017 but the project had to undergo a review before plans were finalized. Federal regulations changed after initial plans for the project were put forward.
Duncan said the carbon tax will be applied to every emission from the gas plant by 2030 because of the federal regulations.
"This is about a $350 million cost on the operations of that plant between 2024 and 2030 so it is a significant additional cost that we weren't expecting," he said.
The Chinook power plant in Swift Current is exempt from these federal regulations. Anything coming online after January 1, 2021 will be subject to the carbon tax.
"When this facility is complete in 2024 it will generate enough baseload power for a city the size of Saskatoon," said Mike Marsh, SaskPower president and chief executive officer in a news release.
"Construction and operation of the plant will also provide economic opportunity in the Moose Jaw area and we look forward to continued cooperation with the City of Moose Jaw in the coming years."
The plant is expected to cost around $800 million.

Remind me what is the advantage of moving away from Coal?
 

captain morgan

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Is it time to sue these provinces for their climate inaction?

They are disproportionately causing harm to the environment and the rest of the country is having to pay for it.

They should be paying the carbon tax at double the rate of other provinces.

I'm all for it flossy, but just in case you didn't get the memo, it's mostly when you burn the hydrocarbons (ie auto, heat, etc) when you emit the CO2.


Anywho, you get to work on the math and might as well get Taranna and Que to get their cheque books out... Hell, I'll do ya a favour and I'll get the AB and SK gvts to simply apply the carbon tax on the sale to you in advance and save you a bunch of postage on the cheque transmittal.



No need to thank me, as far as I'm concerned, it's all about saving Gaia
 

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Another slap in the face, as per getting out of coal for power memorandum Sask. is getting carbon tax penalized for putting up a less Carbon polluting NG power plant to supply Moose Jaw, Regina and Mosaic mines. The project will cost $800 Million will be Carbon taxes $350 Million per year, almost 1/2 the value of the plant every year, wow.

Moose Jaw gas plant will pay carbon tax on its emissions, minister confirms



Remind me what is the advantage of moving away from Coal?
the advantage is monetary

do you think coal companies are just going out of business because they believe in clean energy?