Schools around world shifting to Chinese...

Machjo

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Good thing or bad?

As for negative impacts, should fewer Philipinos, Panamanians, and others over time learn English, clearly it will put more pressure on Canadians to learn English to maintain their international markets. If we consider that most of the world's major corporations have their headquarters in English-speaking countries, it's reasonable to assume that there is at least some correlation with language and economic power. This would also put increased pressure on taxpayers and the education system to train new teachers, and teach new students across the board. This would also mean that with more media shifting to Chinese as a second-language, that we would increasingly have more limited access to foreign media. Just to take an example, imagine that in 50 years from now Al-Jazera English were replaced by Al-Jazera Chinese, or that other TV, radio, and other journaistic, scientific, and other media replaced English with Chinese as their second language. Undoubtedly this would gradually and slowly erode our access to information form abroad over time. Also, with more people learning Chinese, they'd become increasingly influenced by Chinese tourism, Chinese textbooks, Chinese TV, radio, singers, authors, music, pop stars, fashion, politics, etc.

As for benefits of this, just as today many immigrants gravitate to English-speaking countries, so then more people would be turning their eyes towards China for opportunities, thus alleviating at least some of Canada's immigration pressures.

Any other thoughts on the possible slow and gradual future impact of such a shift on Canada's relations, political, cultural, economic, or otherwise with the rest of the world?

Actually another valid question would be how to respnd to this geopolitically, seeing that naturally as schools shift to Chinese the world will natrually become more Sino-centric just as now it is more Anglo-centric?
 

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Chinese is only coming around because a lot of people speak it and since China is having an economic boom, those people are now potential customers. That's my theory anyway.
 

Machjo

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Chinese is only coming around because a lot of people speak it and since China is having an economic boom, those people are now potential customers. That's my theory anyway.

Well, it's not a theory, it's a fact. You learn the language of your market. Most countries are bankrupt while the Chinese economy continues to rise with well over a billion people.

This is not to say that language-planning could not counter this, but left to the market, there's no turning the tide until the Chinese economy succombs too.
 

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The Chinese economy is an interesting beats on it's own. It's a mix of Market/Command and it has very low scurrility compared to North America. As an example, we don't allow baby food to contain large amounts of plastic.
 

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The Chinese economy is an interesting beats on it's own. It's a mix of Market/Command and it has very low scurrility compared to North America. As an example, we don't allow baby food to contain large amounts of plastic.

True enough. However, it's a quickly developing economy and it won't take long for them to better enforce their standards. Growing pains. However they do have many mineral and gas deposits just waiting to be exploited, not to mention 1/4 of the world's population.
 

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True enough. However, it's a quickly developing economy and it won't take long for them to better enforce their standards. Growing pains. However they do have many mineral and gas deposits just waiting to be exploited, not to mention 1/4 of the world's population.
China enforce standards? I'm sorry, not likely to happen in the near future. Why would they want to change something that has been making them billions of dollars? Greed is the driving factor.

1/4 of the world's population they do have. However, how many of them live above the poverty line (I don't actually know)? We have to remember China is communist and, for the most part, the government controls all the money. This has been chaning recently, but I am just saying don't forget what it is based on.
 

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China enforce standards? I'm sorry, not likely to happen in the near future. Why would they want to change something that has been making them billions of dollars? Greed is the driving factor.

And low quality hurts the reputation of Chinese goods. Cheap goods are fine in the initial stages of economic development, but that alone will take China only so far and the Chinese aren't stupid.

1/4 of the world's population they do have. However, how many of them live above the poverty line (I don't actually know)? We have to remember China is communist and, for the most part, the government controls all the money. This has been chaning recently, but I am just saying don't forget what it is based on.

Communist? In name they are 'socialist', the party running the country is 'communist', and it does have protectionist measures in place (such as restrictions on Chinese buying foreign currency in China or taking their money out of the country), thus making it nationalist. However, whereas china is socialist and communist in name, it's nationalist in reality. Within its borders though, it's so ccapitalist it makes the USA look socialist! Parents even have to pay for their children's primary education there!

A one-party state with restrictions on freedom of religion and other freedoms, without a doubt, but a communist country it is not except in name. Officials still use the term 'comrade' sometimes, but in the streets it's become a euphemism for a homosexual.

So no, China is far from being a communist country. Much government regulation though, so perhaps we could call it a national corporatist country.
 

Machjo

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Is this even true?

I'd lived in China years ago, and I can tell you that it is. Now of course in some wealthier cities sometimes the local government will pay on behalf of parents to can't, and in poorer towns someties the provincial or central government will intervene. but generally past age fifteen, they're on their own unless thy've performed extremely well in school.
 

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I'd lived in China years ago, and I can tell you that it is. Now of course in some wealthier cities sometimes the local government will pay on behalf of parents to can't, and in poorer towns someties the provincial or central government will intervene. but generally past age fifteen, they're on their own unless thy've performed extremely well in school.

But it's also mandatory, what happens if you can't afford it?
 

Machjo

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But it's also mandatory, what happens if you can't afford it?

Sorry, my bad., the government covers it up to age 16 if you can't afford it. After age 16 though, it's not mandatory and if you can't affor it, tough.

As China becomes wealthier though, I'm sure pressure will mount to ensure quality education for all. but for now, it's still elitist to a degree. my Chinese is not good, but I've met Chinese who spoke poorer Chinese than I did owing to their living in more isolated areas where the predominant language was Mongolian or Uyghur for example.

I think what we can really learn from the Chinese is that if you want to succeed in the world, you need to be able to communicate with it too. The Chinese take great pains to learn English mostly or other languages sometimes. Sure few truly succeed, but unlike here, they put a tremendous effort into it. As a result, more Chinese can do business internationally than Canadians in relative terms.

I guess this is another reason I support free trade: it forces Canadian parents to wake up to the fact that they need to work harder to help their children succeed. It also might put more pressure on government to invest more in education, to improve the quality of education, etc. Under protectionism, we'd simply satisfy ourselves with our resource-exploitation industry rather than developing our knowledge-based industries.