Saskatchewan RCMP say 10 dead, 15 hospitalized after stabbings, suspects still at large

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Saskatchewan mass killing suspect committed similar attack in 2015, court file shows​


The suspect in a mass killing in Saskatchewan on the weekend committed a similar stabbing attack seven years ago, according to court documents obtained by Global News.

You have to wonder how many more like this there are out there. It should have been obvious to anyone that this guy was a ticking time bomb.
 
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Ron in Regina

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Only problem is, it's going to make it harder to find out why he did it.
We can make some assumptions from the peanut gallery. They have no weight, but they can’t be disproved either.

Dude was complete fucking psycho nightmare nutbar. In the pattern of the information not given to the public want to make some assumptions also.

The names of the 18 people injured but not murdered are not being released, and I’m assuming a bigger pattern would be exposed with that information. The names of the 10 or 11 people that he did murder have been exposed now:

I’m guessing this animal didn’t like to be told “No” and the mother of his five children that he wasn’t suppose to be in contact with…Who is not identified…I’m guessing her surname is maybe “Burns”?

The one person in Weldon, up early, soft target, with a more reliable vehicle that this Freakshow was driving when he got to Weldon? Perhaps a black Nissan Rouge?
  • Thomas Burns, 23, of James Smith Cree Nation.
  • Carol Burns, 46, of James Smith Cree Nation.
  • Gregory Burns, 28, of James Smith Cree Nation.
  • Lydia Gloria Burns, 61, of James Smith Cree Nation.
  • Bonnie Burns, 48, of James Smith Cree Nation.
  • Earl Burns, 66, of James Smith Cree Nation.
  • Lana Head, 49, of James Smith Cree Nation.
  • Christian Head, 54, of James Smith Cree Nation.
  • Robert Sanderson, 49, of James Smith Cree Nation.
  • Wesley Petterson, 78, of Weldon SK
 

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If “root causes” were to blame for the massacre in Saskatchewan authored by Myles Sanderson, our streets would be awash in blood.

That’s a fact.

Every tiny corner of this country would be a terrifying killing zone.

But the homicidal Sanderson is a rarity.

Pulling out that old Annex trope does a grave disservice to the millions who have overcome trauma in war zones, lousy childhoods, physical and sexual abuse and all other manners of horror.

The planet is crawling with deeply damaged people but it is a pittance who pick up a gun, a knife, a 2×4 or use their bare fists to lash out at a cruel, unjust world.

Instead, 99% manage life through their pain and try to be better than their abusers. Without excuses.

And still, social media is alight with allegations of colonialism, racism and the whole kitchen sink of woke cliches. This is what is REALLY behind this tragedy that saw 10 people butchered by a maniac, they tell us.

I am brushing none of the harrowing issues that Sanderson and his brother Damien dealt with in their short lives. Abuse and incarceration are often an endless cycle demanding a breaking point.

Sanderson, 30, a grey, throbbing muscle of rage and resentment began the alleged killing early Sunday morning in the tiny north-central Saskatchewan reserve of James Smith Cree Nation. The place he had called home.

By sunset, 10 people had been stabbed to death by the brothers Sanderson. The next day, Damien Sanderson was found dead.

As the Prairie province quaked in terror, a massive manhunt was underway for Myles Sanderson. Along the way, reports leaked out about his 59 convictions. About someone thinking he might fit nicely back into the community he no doubt terrorized.


But by Wednesday afternoon, he had been run to ground, yet not before inflicting injuries upon himself that would be fatal.
Only problem is, it's going to make it harder to find out why he did it.
He knew some of the victims, cops tell us, others were complete strangers.

In fact, records reveal that he tried to kill one of the dead in January 2015.
We can make some assumptions from the peanut gallery. They have no weight, but they can’t be disproved either.

Dude was complete fucking psycho nightmare nutbar. In the pattern of the information not given to the public want to make some assumptions also.

The names of the 18 people injured but not murdered are not being released, and I’m assuming a bigger pattern would be exposed with that information. The names of the 10 or 11 people that he did murder have been exposed now:

I’m guessing this animal didn’t like to be told “No” and the mother of his five children that he wasn’t suppose to be in contact with…Who is not identified…I’m guessing her surname is maybe “Burns”?

The one person in Weldon, up early, soft target, with a more reliable vehicle that this Freakshow was driving when he got to Weldon? Perhaps a black Nissan Rouge?…
That man was 66-year-old Princess Patricia’s Canadian Light Infantry veteran Earl Burns. He was Sanderson’s father-in-law and in the previous incident he had been stabbed multiple times by the alleged mass killer.

Sanderson got sentenced to two years less a day for that bloody escapade. On Sunday, Burns became one of the 10 dead who, according to Veterans Voices of Canada “gave his life to save his wife and grandchildren.”

There was another double stabbing in 2018 against two other residents of the reserve.

Then there was Sanderson’s long history of domestic violence. Mixed in was a smattering of conditions and probation. Orders were drawn for counselling for anger management, domestic violence and addictions.
And at least we won't have to worry about a parole board letting him back out in a few years to do it again.
More conditions. More probation. More counselling. More charges. Rinse. Repeat.

Even though Sanderson lied about living with his former wife and was sent back to the slammer last November, he was sprung again in February.

He was not considered “an undue risk to society.”

An often-used Portuguese proverb is that “The road to hell is paved with good intentions.” It fits in neatly with the tragic events in Saskatchewan during the awful September of 2022.

It’s an idea that works much better at explaining the evil actions of the Myles Sandersons of the world than snatching the “root causes” chalice.

Just ask the people of James Smith Cree First Nation.
 
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Well, this is gonna come up eventually so I might as well get this started in the thread connected to it most recently.

Rural Response Times from Police (the RCMP in this case).


As Chief Wally Burns, of the James Smith Cree Nation in Saskatchewan, spoke to a news conference earlier this week about the mass stabbings that had devastated his community, he made a plea to policy-makers in Ottawa and Regina.

“We ask that we have our own tribal policing,” he said.

Currently, the RCMP are the default police force on many reserves, including the James Smith Cree Nation, where nine victims were killed and nearly 20 others injured in Sunday’s stabbing attack. A tenth victim was a resident of the nearby village of Weldon.

The RCMP provides professional and dedicated service to First Nations and Inuit communities under the terms of the First Nations Policing Program. Established in 1991, the program, administered by Public Safety Canada, is cost-shared between the federal and provincial/territorial governments.

Indigenous leaders in Saskatchewan say they have spent years preparing to speak with the federal and provincial governments – which typically split the costs of RCMP officers posted to First Nations – about a roadmap to creating an autonomous First Nations-led police force spanning several reserves.

The force has said it immediately deployed two officers from Melfort to the reserve after receiving an emergency call about the attack. The pair took about 40 minutes to arrive at James Smith. They found a dozen crime scenes once they got there, and the two suspects, brothers Myles and Damien Sanderson, were nowhere in sight. Damien was later found dead on the reserve, and Myles died after being arrested on Wednesday, under circumstances police have described only as “medical distress.”

Anyway, rural response times have been an issue for a long long time. Don’t know what the answer is but anybody wanna Wade in?
 

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I don't think it's necessarily a bad idea but how would it have helped here?
 

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The issue is going to be response times.

In this case the force (RCMP here) has said it immediately deployed two officers from Melfort (elsewhere I’ve read 3 minutes, for a call that came in at something like 5:47am on a Sunday morning) to the reserve after receiving an emergency call about the attack. The pair took about 40 minutes to arrive at James Smith.
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But once they arrived there was two officers, at least two fugitives, and about a dozen crime scenes….& these guys where in Weldon killing somebody else….

….So an answer might be Tribal Policing, “– which typically split the costs of RCMP officers posted to First Nations – about a roadmap to creating an autonomous First Nations-led police force spanning several reserves” like the File Hills group has done.

The File Hills Tribal Council launched the Indigenous police force in 2002 to serve five First Nations northeast of Regina: Okanese, Peepeekisis, Carry the Kettle, Star Blanket and Little Black Bear First Nations.

Four of the five Reservations above are sort of NW of Balcarres, & the other one is south of Sintaluta SK.
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….& yes Balcarres has its own RCMP Detachment in the middle….
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Ron in Regina

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I don't think it's necessarily a bad idea but how would it have helped here?
I don’t think it would have helped here, unless the shared tribal police (shared cost so shared police) just happened to be on that particular Reserve at 5:45am on a Sunday morning in the middle of the Labour Day Weekend.

It sort’a works for the File Hills group that has four Reservations (NW of Balcarres) who’s borders connect to each other, but then “Carry The Kettle” is south of Sintaluta an hour away (so…an hour response time…).

James Smith Cree Nation isn’t packed in very close to other Reservations geographically so sharing Policing costs would either be burdensome, or response times would be worse than what they already have with RCMP out of Melfort, or they’re going to have to have their own police force & solely shoulder the cost of it with less than 2000 residents assuming they’re paying for it themselves and have to concern themselves about the cost.
But. . . but. . . the Mounties are professional!

And dedicated!
Tribal Police can receive training also. The national training academy for the RCMP just happens to be in Regina so that’s not a big stretch.

I think one of the bigger challenges would be keeping real or perceived bias of family and political ties from enforcement or perceived enforcement equally.
Well they did actually catch the guy and pretty fast too.
Yeah. In this case, this Myles Sanderson was a nasty freak bad news Federal Time probation skipping nightmare, who was out on statutory release with conditions to not go near his Ex-Common-Law Spouse, (and in a small community everyone knows everyone else’s business,) who he was living with…& all these dead “Burns” folks where her family….& everyone and their dogs would’a know this was going down since Myles was wanted back in May 2022 but months went by before the murder spree.

Maybe Tribal Police would have also been aware of this, and maybe they would’a done something about this months ago, & maybe not.
 

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Maybe Tribal Police would have also been aware of this, and maybe they would’a done something about this months ago, & maybe not.
I think the problem there would have been more with the courts and parole boards to be honest. I mean if that's what they want then let them give it a try but i suspect it would have made little difference.
 

Ron in Regina

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I think the problem is going to go back to funding, & policing isn’t cheap, and right now policing on Reserves is funded in combination between Provincial & Federal Governments….& rural response times generally suck regardless if it’s on a reservation or a small town (without its own RCMP detachment) or on a farm, etc…

The only answer that will satisfy those involved is to have Justin print more money or promising to plant Tribal Police forces everywhere (like Oprah with the “and you get a car and you get a car and you get a car!!!”) starting AFTER 2025…so it’ll never have to happen…and Canada spirals further down the debt-hole.

For James Smith Cree Nation, with a population less than 2000, if every man, woman, and child threw 10 bucks into the jar every month, month after month, forever (appropriately adjusted for inflation going forward forever) they’d have their own small police force of 2-3 officers & a vehicle or two and a back room at the band office, hopefully near a door. I don’t think this’ll ever happen though.

The James Smith Cree Nation is located 58 kilometers east of Prince Albert, Saskatchewan, and is 15,099 hectares in size. This first nation has a present population of 3,412, with the on-reserve population estimated to be at 1,892 members….or…James Smith has a current population of 2,412, with the on-reserve population estimated to be at 1,592 members….or…etc…