30,000 to be exact.
And they were fighting for our closest ally, not our enemies.
They were disproportionally Natives.
They may have been wrong. They were not treasonous. Nor were they murderers, rapists, and slavers.
"Reintergration" for Treasonous Murdering ISIS Fighters from Canada
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30,000 to be exact.
And they were fighting for our closest ally, not our enemies.
They were disproportionally Natives.
They may have been wrong. They were not treasonous. Nor were they murderers, rapists, and slavers.
What the OP and the posters are ignoring or forgetting is that ISIS is funded by the US Gov and that mean they are out partners in a war where we are against the elected government of Syria. The US has been doing shit like that since 6 months before the USSR came into Afghanistan to stop the insane rebels that were the proxy army of the USA.
The refugees started after Russian came to help Syria so the ones running away were fighters that were hired guns who were being paid by the USA through their old friend the KSA. To cover that exodus many from real refugee camps were turned loose. Without that arrangement there would have been a mass surrender and that would mean video interviews where they spill the beans on what they know and then their fate is in the hands of the courts. Escape into a 'friendly country'; solves all of that and the government picks up the tab. The ones that have many women wanting to be his wife and they take in 20 orphaned children are probably the real refugees, the ones who slip away are the soldiers from the proxy army that worked to further the interests of our best fried, the USA, in a war against another country that is based on a pack of lies.
Training somebody to kill women and kids without remorse is not the kind of person that should be thrown into a big city and told to 'Be good and come back next month for another cheque.' IMO there is a solution that gradually does that but the start is more remote so the chances of them ending up in jail are a lot less. The bad news is the locals would be pissed that they are being left out.
A cabin in the wilderness just outside the city limits with school being net based and that would include all the IQ tests that show a person what their natural talents are and what they suck at so that area would take a long time to master. In cases like that a cabin with broadband and a viewpoint and that is about it as it is a school and when you pass all the tests you move to where you would fit in. If the cabin lifestyle suits you then it is time to pick out a site for one.
My idea about a rehab for them being something that ends up producing law abiding citizens is quite workable and it is not a hardship on any community. When you cross the Cutbank River going north on Hwy40 yo take the first high-grade road to your left and that is the start of a ring road that is about 90 miles long and it comes our on the hwy again about 30km further north. Forests are logged so the cabins would not be the start of a farm. Trails for tourists would be the best commercial option as well as being locations for people who need some rehab that only comes with isolation from people but still having all the tools to be doing something constructive.
Because these people are students you would still need the same employees in the cities to help the clients get through their training at the rate that suites them. That would also mean the cabins in AB have teachers that live in ON and there is no time or expense needed once they both have a computer in front of them.
Even if we weren't part of making them soldiers on the run we should be able to retrain somebody that when they pass the courses they are able to fit into city life with the stress that comes with being a stranger in a strange land. Those aren't the only people that need rehab. Two weeks is all some people can handle of being alone where their life is in their hands alone even if the place is fully stocked.
Dropping them into the swamps from a plane would be a final solution but hurts the ability to hire foreign fighters in the long run. Training them in the skills that could qualify them as a business owner back in Syria (for example) would solve the countries lack of skilled people issue once the reconstruction has began. Again the cabin idea works as work skills in the trades is accelerated when you have to maintain certain things and an equipped shop is on hand or a short ride away. Office type skills would be online and accountants and such would be the ones they produce.
In the end the 'school' would should able to identify a persons issues and that might result in which cabin they are put in, one that gets the sun all day or one that is in deep shadow all day. (being comfortable in both places would probably be the goal)
Long cold winters would actually be a plus for swampy areas as that is the time to move thing around and with water being the road building material it is about as cheap as it gets. Every Province has swamps in the north and make it suitable of out of work hired guns or true refugees of a man and 10 wives and 50 children, they all are put through the same school that prepares them for city life in Canada or back home in a few years. Rather than an engineers shack they would qualify for a 60 person rig-camp set of trailers and home delivery only so put your order in early.
Not as dangerous as thinking they don't need any help integrating into Canadian culture (or insert the name of any country). Rather than dropping them in the ocean putting them in a remote spot is the next best option and it isn't like we have a shortage of remote areas. As it stands if you are guilty of war crimes that doesn't get you moved to the front of the bus. Admitting you are a soldier on the run would get you a spot in a cabin in a remote area that comes with a course that helps you change into a constructive member of society rather than a destructive member. Pass the course and you would be accepted in many countries rather than it having to be in Canada as it removes any war crimes charges such as treason and killing innocents. Germany's solution is to just lose track of 10,000 or so of the most violent ones. Several times in the last few years that has happened.
It is letting them in to take a program that probably runs 3-5 years and then we fit them into crowded places if that ends up being a goal. A ticket back home might be what most of the 'clients' opt for as that is where the job openings are. We end up with a never ending stream of clients that only reside in remote areas, currently classified as uninhabited so making them inhabitable for clients make for jobs in Canada.
Never know, maybe sex offenders can also be helped if war criminals can be 'fixed' so there is an endless supply of clients.
It is letting them in to take a program that probably runs 3-5 years and then we fit them into crowded places if that ends up being a goal. A ticket back home might be what most of the 'clients' opt for as that is where the job openings are. We end up with a never ending stream of clients that only reside in remote areas, currently classified as uninhabited so making them inhabitable for clients make for jobs in Canada.
Never know, maybe sex offenders can also be helped if war criminals can be 'fixed' so there is an endless supply of clients.
Get them to eat Bacon and pork roast for a month straight before they can come back into Canada, then tell them to fak off
These people did atrocious things in Iraq, i know I was there when they were raping and killing their way in the Sinjar region.
These people made a concious decision to do the things they did and need to be killed on sight.
This is so wrong...
I agree with this.
These people made a concious decision to do the things they did and need to be killed on sight.
This is so wrong...
I agree with this.
Well Dearie you have your version and I have mine. You have to believe the US can accidentally bomb a Syrian Army position for over an hours and killing 80+ soldiers was just that, an accident. Go have a nap till you]re all grown up. lol
Don't blame me for you and the loco collective being stupid or liars and probably a bit of both.
Western media lies about Syria exposed (Canadian journalist Eva Bartlett)
When US-backed Syrian fighters took full control of the city of Raqqa, it ended three years of rule there by so-called Islamic State. But now the BBC has uncovered details of a secret deal that let several hundred IS fighters escape. IS made Raqqa in northern Syria its headquarters in early 2014. Last month Raqqa fell, but this programme has learnt that in exchange for a deal to save lives and bring peace to the city, a convoy carrying several hundred IS fighters, their families and weapons and ammunition -- were able to leave the city freely. The question now is, where are they now? Our Middle East Correspondent, Quentin Sommerville, has this exclusive report.
These are what facts look like, you version requires the audience to be on the wrong side of the stupid line.
Don't blame me for you and the loco collective being stupid or liars and probably a bit of both.
These are what facts look like, you version requires the audience to be on the wrong side of the stupid line.
This is so ****ed up
Unacceptable
And yes i'm taking this personally!!!
These people should not be rewarded with re-integration, not after the lives they took and ruined.
I dont care what anyone here thinks of me.
These returnees should not be welcomed back and should stay in the desert running for their lives starving in a ****ing hole, worried about when the next bomb is going to fall on them.
Unacceptable
And yes i'm taking this personally!!!
These people should not be rewarded with re-integration, not after the lives they took and ruined.
I dont care what anyone here thinks of me.
These returnees should not be welcomed back and should stay in the desert running for their lives starving in a ****ing hole, worried about when the next bomb is going to fall on them.
Are you saying we are the terrorists? Nonsence we are for baseball and the flag we couldn;t possibly do that shjt. We,re too nice.
They should be reintegrated though, it enhances the soil.
You are seen as a terrorist by 3/4s of the world, you love terrorists, you give them money every year instead of stuffing it into your children.
What is unbelievable is the unwillingness of people in North America to own up to how we tend to act in foreign lands.
https://www.counterpunch.org/1998/01/15/how-jimmy-carter-and-i-started-the-mujahideen/
Q: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs [“From the Shadows”], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?
Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.
Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?
Brzezinski: It isn’t quite that. We didn’t push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.
Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn’t believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don’t regret anything today?
Brzezinski: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter: We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.
Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic [integrisme], having given arms and advice to future terrorists?
Brzezinski: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?
Q: Some stirred-up Moslems? But it has been said and repeated: Islamic fundamentalism represents a world menace today.
Brzezinski: Nonsense! It is said that the West had a global policy in regard to Islam. That is stupid. There isn’t a global Islam. Look at Islam in a rational manner and without demagoguery or emotion. It is the leading religion of the world with 1.5 billion followers. But what is there in common among Saudi Arabian fundamentalism, moderate Morocco, Pakistan militarism, Egyptian pro-Western or Central Asian secularism? Nothing more than what unites the Christian countries.
ISIS Caliphate al-Baghdadi Was Mossad/CIA Agent Simon Elliot
https://www.counterpunch.org/1998/01/15/how-jimmy-carter-and-i-started-the-mujahideen/
Q: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs [“From the Shadows”], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?
Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.
Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?
Brzezinski: It isn’t quite that. We didn’t push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.
Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn’t believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don’t regret anything today?
Brzezinski: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter: We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.
Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic [integrisme], having given arms and advice to future terrorists?
Brzezinski: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?
Q: Some stirred-up Moslems? But it has been said and repeated: Islamic fundamentalism represents a world menace today.
Brzezinski: Nonsense! It is said that the West had a global policy in regard to Islam. That is stupid. There isn’t a global Islam. Look at Islam in a rational manner and without demagoguery or emotion. It is the leading religion of the world with 1.5 billion followers. But what is there in common among Saudi Arabian fundamentalism, moderate Morocco, Pakistan militarism, Egyptian pro-Western or Central Asian secularism? Nothing more than what unites the Christian countries.
