The NDP across Canada, if it wants to get a boost should promote making dental care part of medical insurance. Why dental care, which is vital to a person's good health, is not part of medical care is beyond me. I don't mean cosmetic work like whitening, but fillings and false teeth.
Put dental care on the medial plan
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I would rather someone returned EI benefits to the way they were or lowered the monthly payments. EI is absolute theft with it's huge surpluses!!
Under an agreement signed by the Liberals three weeks before the last election Canada has to dismantle it's health care system because the Americans think it's an unfair labour advantage. No point in adding dental to a system that is being deliberately run into the ground. Notice how non of the other political parties even mentioned this agreement? During an election no less!! Corporate fascism is alive and well in Canada!
Under an agreement signed by the Liberals three weeks before the last election Canada has to dismantle it's health care system because the Americans think it's an unfair labour advantage. No point in adding dental to a system that is being deliberately run into the ground. Notice how non of the other political parties even mentioned this agreement? During an election no less!! Corporate fascism is alive and well in Canada!
Simply adding another service to the already overburdened health care system in Canada is not going to win the NDP any votes from me. I would be alot more willing to consider such an addition if some type of co-pay were introduced across the board. Doctor visits, teeth cleaning, eye examinations, medication and surgery all cost a great deal of money. When people recieve something for nothing they rarely appreciate what they are getting, however If a small manageable co-pay were required people would seriously consider if they should visit an emergency for every ache, pain and cough. When a patient receives treatment paid for by the government they should get a bill showing the full cost of treatment (paid for by government funding) and the small co-pay that they have made.
The system isn't overburdened it's underfunded. There is a big difference. If we were a democracy the government would have to use it's surpluses to fund the health care system since most Canadians want it. Instead we're a WTO ie American, subaltern.
I wish we could shake off this fascism before it destroys us completely.
right on - dental care for all humans!!
Thanks for that idea, it is absolutely correct - include dental care in "medicare".
It seems to me that it is as much a "human right" to not have a tooth problem as a medical problem.
Dental care is as urgent a need as health care is to most people, and besides, dental health affects our entire body. Chronic illnesses like FIBROMYALGIA, heart disease, even diabetis and hepatitis are made worse with these dental infections.
Once, when I had a dental infection that was causing me trigeminal neuralgia, the doctor said "thats dental, go ask your dentist", and the dentist said "thats medical, go talk to your doctor". They both prescribed some Neurontin [for off label uses not allowed!] and let me suffer for 8 months unttil I got the damned teeth pulled and the trrigeminal neuralgia ended.
It was the strongest pain I ever knew. The dentist said it would not help to pull those teeth, but it did. The point is that it made me sick, I could not go to work, but because it was from the teeth, I was not given any medical care, which backs up your point to include dental care in with "medicare".
Thanks for that idea, it is absolutely correct - include dental care in "medicare".
It seems to me that it is as much a "human right" to not have a tooth problem as a medical problem.
Dental care is as urgent a need as health care is to most people, and besides, dental health affects our entire body. Chronic illnesses like FIBROMYALGIA, heart disease, even diabetis and hepatitis are made worse with these dental infections.
Once, when I had a dental infection that was causing me trigeminal neuralgia, the doctor said "thats dental, go ask your dentist", and the dentist said "thats medical, go talk to your doctor". They both prescribed some Neurontin [for off label uses not allowed!] and let me suffer for 8 months unttil I got the damned teeth pulled and the trrigeminal neuralgia ended.
It was the strongest pain I ever knew. The dentist said it would not help to pull those teeth, but it did. The point is that it made me sick, I could not go to work, but because it was from the teeth, I was not given any medical care, which backs up your point to include dental care in with "medicare".
What bugs me is the arbitrary distinction.
If you have an impacted molar that is leaving you bed ridden and will eventually kill you from infection, its not "health insurance"
If you have a busted knuckle with the same symptoms and net result, now it is their job to fix you?
How about health insurance covers anything a doctor says you NEED (ie, not tooth whitening, not anti-acne medication and not liposuction), be it prescription , dental, surgery, phsyio-therapy or whatever.
If you have an impacted molar that is leaving you bed ridden and will eventually kill you from infection, its not "health insurance"
If you have a busted knuckle with the same symptoms and net result, now it is their job to fix you?
How about health insurance covers anything a doctor says you NEED (ie, not tooth whitening, not anti-acne medication and not liposuction), be it prescription , dental, surgery, phsyio-therapy or whatever.
I'm not entirely opposed to the idea as people who aren't in pain from aching teeth will be better workers. The question is how much is it going to cost in terms of taxes? Is it affordable? Also, I think before we add another service to the social system we should discuss how two tear health care works. I think that people who elect to use private services should get some of their tax dollars back.
No more than teeth are.
People can always get dentures, so I don't know why dental care is necessary.
Underfunded?! Are you serious? Before we add to government funded medicare would it not be prudent to fix the very real problems that the current system is facing. People are not getting timely access to health care, do not have doctors and are suffering due to all kinds of shortages in equipment and personell. Adding to this troubled system without dealing with it's current shortages is short sighted. If medicare can't deal with it's current issues why would it be better off with added burden? How much should we expect to pay for all Canadian health care? What is a rational percentage of our budget?
Caanda has just too many fascist/whiners saying our medical system sucks. I've used the medical system several times, and while not perfect, it was great. I was healed very satisfactorily at a low low cost. There were plenty of doctors around too, shortage? Big yuks.
Due to excessive US influence in Canada lately, in the old days people used to say "Go back to Russia" when a seemingly scary socialist idea appeared on our shores like Medicare. Now due to rampant American corporate fascism we should say, "Go back to the USA you scaredy cats!!!"
Due to excessive US influence in Canada lately, in the old days people used to say "Go back to Russia" when a seemingly scary socialist idea appeared on our shores like Medicare. Now due to rampant American corporate fascism we should say, "Go back to the USA you scaredy cats!!!"
We do not have to decide between our system and the US system. There are other systems like those in Europe that are socialist but have different and better outcomes than our own system is providing. Are we so scared that we will become the US that we will not even look at the benefits that Public-Private partnerships could provide?
No teeth means you can't speak. Dentures are also still Dental treatment. And you can still die from Dental infections, not to mention most of them cause heart damage (meaning you pay $40,000 to fix someones heart rather than $150 to fix someones gums)
In our workforce, teeth are more important than feet for many people. And you don't need feet. if someone breaks a foot, offer to amputate it otherwise tell em to deal and let it heal on their own.
But fix their teeth.
So seriously, what makes teeth and gums a unique part of their body that it is no longer medical to fix them, but it is medical to fix everthing from bones, to blood, to brains to sexual organs.
(tell me why ED treatments are covered by teeth aren't again?)
Two reasons:
- one, our British heritage, where bad teeth were expected
- two, the ability of dentists to keep dental care out of the medicare system.
Why is the inside of my mouth not completely covered by the medical plan? When I cut my tongue I can go to a doctor and he will fix it. Yet if my teeth were damaged by the same object that cut my tongue I would have to spend my own money out of pocket for "dental" care which is not medical care. Que pasa?
they say dentists are better businessmen and golfers than doctors, and more cruel I would like to add too.
they say dentists are better businessmen and golfers than doctors, and more cruel I would like to add too.