Public - Private struggle [on "The Simpsons" last

Karlin

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The Free World's greatest example of Free Speach, a television show called "The Simpsons", had a theme in last night's episode about the vending machines in schools. Bart got addicted badly to the industrial waste in the snacks, had a heart attack, and continued eating it until an intervention by the whole community was made for him.

It is really about the movement to privatise schools, and all that goes with them including the food students eat while there.
"No matter the nutrition, corporate school food HAS to be about profits" - thats the legally mandated requirement of corporations. If you have seen the food kids eat at schools you will know why some communities have fought so hard to get the junk food out and healthy options in schools [very few have succeeded so far].

The "public realm" is that class of "Essential Public Interests, and social domains believed to be too precious, vulnerable, or morally sacred to subject to corporate exploitation".
Institutions like education, health, water utilities, welfare, police and law, firefighters, parks and nature reserves were deliberately placed beyond the corporation's exploitative grasp.

Now that is under attack, and seriously losing the battle to privatisation.

We have to decide how far along this path we want to go:
1]Govt provides services and Regulates industry[as it was];
2]Govt provides services, and Industry Regulates itself[as it is now?]
3]Industry regulates itself and oversees govt programs
4] Industry provides public service programs for a fee, and regulates itself.

Joel Bakan's "the Corporation" was used for referance in this post.
In the book, he outlines the path to corporate control over every aspect of life on earth.
We are not so very far from where every square inch of land is real estate and we are all 'clients' of some corporate entity.
This is not necessarily going to be 'benevolent' like we assume government-run programs to be, the corporate way is to make a profit "whatever it takes", and that includes breaking the law when it is less costly than to do things legally.

The "industrial waste in school snacks" quip in the Simpson's show last night is an example of "whatever it takes" profiteering. It may be illegal, but the fines, if any, are less than the cost of disposing of the waste properly, plus paying for expensive 'healthy' ingredients to put in the snacks.
{thats a joke, right Karlin? its just animation, its not real, right?]

Do we get to decide what remains in the Public Realm ?
- Only if we show we have an opinion about it, so the debate better get ramped up or we will miss the chance to save some of it from private inrterests.
Karlin

ps- sorry about the length, not all issues are simple as two lines.
 

Aitrus

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RE: Public - Private struggle [on "The Simpsons" l

There was some interesting stuff on this topic in Supersize Me as well. How scientific it was is debatable, but the filmmaker had made a case that schools could provide healthy organic sugarless food to kids for almost the same cost as junk food, and that in schools that had brought in the healthier foods discipline problems had significantly been reduced.

I'd like to see a more comprehensive study on that, and see some figures that show there are actually companies that provide healthy food at a comparable price to junk alternatives... but it was certainly interesting to hear.
 

manda

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A lot of the schools in my area have taken junk food out of the cafeteria, or at least reduced the amount available to students....but unfortunately, we are a minority

Where could you go to suggest such a study
 

Karlin

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Re: better food better grades and discipline

I Googled it, and there are studies and reports from schools that switched to good foods.

I believe it fully. Junk foods TAKE energy, not give it.

Wisconsin School Project -
http://www.rawfoodinfo.com/articles/art_upgradeschoollunch.html

here is a report fromABC news:
[/url]http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/AmericanFamily/story?id=125404&page=1 Corporations have only one goa...ol+food+junk+better+grades+discipline&spell=1
 

Diamond Sun

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Re: RE: Public - Private struggle [on "The Simpsons&quo

Aitrus said:
There was some interesting stuff on this topic in Supersize Me as well. How scientific it was is debatable, but the filmmaker had made a case that schools could provide healthy organic sugarless food to kids for almost the same cost as junk food, and that in schools that had brought in the healthier foods discipline problems had significantly been reduced.

I'd like to see a more comprehensive study on that, and see some figures that show there are actually companies that provide healthy food at a comparable price to junk alternatives... but it was certainly interesting to hear.

There was a series on the Food Network called "Jamie Oliver's School Dinners" where he basically went to the elementary schools in his burrough and convinced them to ditch the fries, pizza and chicken fingers for real food. The kids, of course, resisted at first, but after a couple of months they were chowing down like it was McDonalds.

The price was the same as the chicken nugget dinners, and the kids were more well behaved, were getting better marks, and were less distracted.

It does work.
 

Jo Canadian

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Twila

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RE: Public - Private stru

What happened to telling our kids "no"? What happened to homemade lunches?
 

Karlin

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Twila said:
What happened to telling our kids "no"? What happened to homemade lunches?

Great Jumpin' Jimminy Batman!

What a good idea Twyla... That is surely the answer. I wonder why the school cafeteria took over that former parental duty?
Now that you mention it, we used to pack our kids lunches for school, and it WAS healthy stuff.

Thanks for that. Parents have to be responsible, and that goes all the way to the cafeteria. Still, the school boards should be doing what parents want too though., and that means no sugary snacks in schools.
 

annabattler

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Most schools in the province do not have cafeterias(the public elementary schools,anyway)...nor,as an aside,do they have swimming pools, to take the swimming lessons so recently touted "as a good idea".
Our local elementary school children eat their lunches in their classrooms. Some of the schools have 'drink" machines only...most do not.
An occasional bake sale might be held,as a fund raiser, or a hot dog sale.
The parents are responsible for lunch time foods.