Polar bears turn cannibalistic as climate change depletes arctic food supply

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The date of break up is occurring earlier, and freeze up is occurring later...the physics remains the same, I wonder what could be accounting for earlier break up and later freeze up? Does temperature have anything to do with the freezing point of water? Hmmm? 8O

Well if you ask the Innuit,by september 15 if the tundra is still red,you have at least 2 more weeks before getting out,maybe a month.
They dont have access to all the graphs and shi* so we rely on their experience and have kept camps open based on this information.
Their is no set date for breakup and it cant be measured in days or hours.
Anyone who thinks they can predict Arctic weather has never been there.
Heres global warming then?
 

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Well if you ask the Innuit,by september 15 if the tundra is still red,you have at least 2 more weeks before getting out,maybe a month.
They dont have access to all the graphs and shi* so we rely on their experience and have kept camps open based on this information.
I posted some comments from residents.
Their is no set date for breakup and it cant be measured in days or hours.
Anyone who thinks they can predict Arctic weather has never been there.
Heres global warming then?
Ah, but we aren't speaking in terms of weather strictly; we're speaking in terms of CLIMATE. Jeeeeezez
It might help if you'd learn the difference.
 

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Anyone who thinks they can predict Arctic weather has never been there.

Who said anything about predicting? The weather is variable, but that doesn't mean that the tendency isn't towards earlier break up.

Are you going to attempt to explain why we shouldn't expect this or not?
 

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Jheeesh,so Gilbert your saying that the weather has nothing to do with climate change?
Wow! Not once have I ever said the climate isnt changing,another ice age is coming and maybe folks should try being proactive and do something to adjust instead of just whining and crying about something they cant do anything about.
Like the polar bears do,they move along,like the grizzly did when man pushed them off their home territory which was the praries.They moved on to greener pastures.
 

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Jheeesh,so Gilbert your saying that the weather has nothing to do with climate change?
lmao No. Comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it.
Wow! Not once have I ever said the climate isnt changing,another ice age is coming
Perhaps, but not before the globe finishes warming. And it hasn't done that yet.
and maybe folks should try being proactive and do something to adjust instead of just whining and crying about something they cant do anything about.
Already planned for a variety of things here. Not whining about conditions either. Just whining about your ignorance and preference to stay ignorant.
Like the polar bears do,they move along,like the grizzly did when man pushed them off their home territory which was the praries.They moved on to greener pastures.
uhuh And the polars, among other species might as well get used to a LOT more greenery.

Care to comment on what the natives and other residents said in the links I provided?

To bring up an old adage about not seeing the forest for the trees; I don't think Kak could see the forest because his goofy beak is buried in the crack in the bark of one tree.
 

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lmao No. Comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it.
Perhaps, but not before the globe finishes warming. And it hasn't done that yet. Already planned for a variety of things here. Not whining about conditions either. Just whining about your ignorance and preference to stay ignorant.
uhuh And the polars, among other species might as well get used to a LOT more greenery.

You never heard about the Beverly or Dorothy Caribou herds?
Trust me when I say that no bear wandering the tundra is going to starve. These are my pics.
Oh....it's a yearly migration cycle.




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You never heard about the Beverly or Dorothy Caribou herds?
Who said I haven't?
Trust me when I say that no bear wandering the tundra is going to starve.
not even 1?
These are my pics.
Oh....it's a yearly migration cycle.


Uhuh. Pretty. Do you have photos from the same place at the same times every year for say the past decade in the various months of each year?
 

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Who said I haven't?
not even 1? Uhuh. Pretty. Do you have photos from the same place at the same times every year for say the past decade in the various months of each year?
No but our assistant manager from Baker lake was one of the guys that headed up the project to build the snowfence along the Thelon river to divert the big herds to portage in a safer place as thats when they were drowning in the same crossing they used for years.
Yes he's Innuit and once again I never said the climate wasent changing,not once in any post I have ever made on this forum.
In case you are ignorant on the Tuk Tuk migration they allways cross the river just west of Baker lake on their annual migration east.
No shortage of food on the tundra dude.
 

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No but our assistant manager from Baker lake was one of the guys that headed up the project to build the snowfence along the Thelon river to divert the big herds to portage in a safer place as thats when they were drowning in the same crossing they used for years.
Ah, so the Thelon not icing up for the caribou that have previously used the ice to cross only seems to be a local occurrence to you? I have news for you, there are dozens of that kind of occurrence all over the Arctic. Less snow, less ice. And that contrdicts what you've been saying and inferring since I found this thread.
You're shooting your own foot here by producing evidence against yourself.
Yes he's Innuit and once again I never said the climate wasent changing,not once in any post I have ever made on this forum.
Oh, yeah but the ice isn't melting any different than in the past, according to a few posts of yours. If you want I can go back a few posts and bring up a few things you've said.
In case you are ignorant on the Tuk Tuk migration they allways cross the river just west of Baker lake on their annual migration east.
Caribou move around. I knew that long before I found CC a few years back, yes.
No shortage of food on the tundra dude.
On the ice it's different. But I'd prepare for a lot more greenery and a lot less ice if I lived up there. Probably buy a couple freezers, a smoker/dehydrator, more canning equipment, and digging a bigger garden.

Maybe it's the talking down attitude.
After dozens of posts, your patience would get worn down, too.

Do you mean that the proponents of man made climate change don't talk down to those who won't subscribe to the Gore/Suzuki mantra?????:roll:
It's got nothing to do with being man-made or not. This has to do with dozens of posts of Kak saying the ice is fine and more dozens by Ton and I providing fact after fact proving him wrong.
 

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It's got nothing to do with being man-made or not. This has to do with dozens of posts of Kak saying the ice is fine and more dozens by Ton and I providing fact after fact proving him wrong.

I don't what Kakato is trying to say and the argument has been taking a strange direction, but what a lot of people think is that the habit of animals eating their young has always been there and the climate has always fluctuated and animals adapt and we better do too. the animals have adapted to humans encroaching upon their territory by moving and they also will do it to follow the food...
Right now, I'm more worried by what pollution is doing to the air we breathe than what it's doing to the climate....
I could use a few degrees warmer just about now;-)
 

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I don't what Kakato is trying to say and the argument has been taking a strange direction, but what a lot of people think is that the habit of animals eating their young has always been there and the climate has always fluctuated and animals adapt and we better do too. the animals have adapted to humans encroaching upon their territory by moving and they also will do it to follow the food...
Right now, I'm more worried by what pollution is doing to the air we breathe than what it's doing to the climate....
I could use a few degrees warmer just about now;-)
Pollution may affect quite a few people but climate affects EVERYONE.
 

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Sorry to be flippant but if it get's too hot take off your coat..

Humans will adapt as well as animals do...
Actually, humans will adapt better than most other species. If there's no ice left in the Arctic, polars cannot catch seal. They HAVE to rely on other sources. That affects their metabolisms, their physiology, etc. I doubt most will adapt fast enough. Especially if the males eat more cubs, more cubs drown, etc.
 

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You know people might take you GW enthusiasts a little more serious if you toned down the defensive posture you seem to take when somebody asks a legitimate question. Instead I see people scrambling for charts and graphs and acting like they're onstage at a Jonestown Guyana Tent Revival.
 

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What was the legitimate question? The thread started with an article about polar bears and INCREASING CANNIBALISM that was linked to climate change, and was quickly met by denial. What followed was questions about how someone can know that particular claim is a 'load of bull' as you put it.

But sure, lets make it about defensive GW enthusiasts instead.

Weak sauce.
 

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What was the legitimate question? The thread started with an article about polar bears and INCREASING CANNIBALISM that was linked to climate change, and was quickly met by denial. What followed was questions about how someone can know that particular claim is a 'load of bull' as you put it.

But sure, lets make it about defensive GW enthusiasts instead.

Weak sauce.


How much do you wanna bet that RCS didn't read the entire thread?
 

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Sure they do. Everyone is God don'cha know. I figure man may have enhanced a natural cycle - but he sure in Hell can't stop it

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The greenhouse forcing, graph c, is clearly the positive forcing pulling up the temperature (the black line in all 4 graphs). Natural forcings and aerosols are pulling the total forcing down, while the greenhouse forcing is pushing it up, and with much greater magnitude than the negative forcings.

Asking questions is a good thing, but ignoring answers is not.

I'd like to note, that for those bitching about the tone of this and other threads with science and policy intersections, that in other thread topics, say Muslims, or Israeli/Palestine, that when someone posts an inane piece of crap comment that is out of touch with reality, they are shouted down and ridiculed. The posts are public record for all to see.

Maybe I should start trying to nanny up those threads?

Bizarro...