Palestinian hero kidnapped israeli soldier

[Mogz]

Blackleaf,

I've always taken you with a grain of salt. You post an endless stream of british-based news reports on a Canadian Forum, as if you think we have some great interest in what happens in Britain. That said, i'm going to rip you apart on your latest posts here. Nothing personal:

Oooh. Those scary Israelis. The British would pummell them into the ground and then have tea at 5pm. Israel is only the size of Wales.

First off, i'm not sure if you're even aware blackleaf, but the IDF has over 600,000 men in it, with another 150,000 on instant callup. The entire Royal Military (including the TA) has just under 350,000. The British Challenger II Main Battle Tank is not suited for engaging the Merkava IV Main Battle Tank. The Israeli Air Force flies better aircraft; F-16's and F-15's versus the Royal Air Forces Tornado's and Jaguars. In fact the main fighter aircraft of the British military whilst deployed is the Harrier, a sub-sonic aircraft which is not even in the same class as the F-16 or F-15. Furthermore the Royal Military lacks the ability to deploy emasse, something that was painfully obvious during the Falklands war. Being the stalwart Brit you are, i'm assure you're aware of the trouble the Royal Army and/or Royal Marines had getting down there? Something to the effect of comandeering civilian cargo ships? Ring a bell? The bottom line blackleaf, is that Israel many be "only the size of Wales", but in reality their military is quite robust and well trained. To top it all off, 10% of their military is armed, and on duty at any hour of any day, ready to fight. No other Nation on Earth can make that claim. A straight out slugging match between Britain and Israel would lead to the utter defeat of the British by a battle hardened Army adept at FIBUA.

Thanks to all those American Apache helicopters and tanks that the Israelis have.

What attack helicopter does Britain fly blackleaf? The American-designed Apache Longbow. As for tanks, no, the Israeli's design and build their own. The Merkava series. One of the best MBTs on the planet. You know nothing about the IDF.

How is that their fault? Palestine is a poor country, but that in NO WAY makes the Palestinians stupid and not very bright.

I never equated the wealth of a nation to their intelligence. Palestine is full of morons who prop up an organization that calls for the destruction of their tougher and better equiped neighbour. That's fucking moronic man.

But when they have no military to speak of, and they are coming up against a nation who is armed with the latest hi-tech American weapons, how are they supposed to defend themselves without using suicide bombers? Use water pistols and water bombs?

First off, Israel builds and/or designs much of it's own equipment. That said, you call detonating suicide vests on a bus full of children defending themselves? Come on blackleaf, I would concede it was defensive measures if the militants attacked IDF soldiers and IDF soldiers only. But they don't, they target civilians.

Because Jews run the United States. The US would not be able to function without its Jews.

That sounds were much akin to the rantings of Adolph Hitler in 1933 before his prison term. That isn't me calling you a NAZI, that's me pointing out that Hitler said the same thing, except replace the Untied States with Europe. Interesting.

 

[aeon]

Re: RE: Palestinian hero kidnapped israeli soldier

That's your retort? In other words you cannot refute that power is not essential to human survival.


I have never disputed that water and/or water related items should not be attack ON PURPOSE. If a bridge is blown and it hits a main, that's part of warfare. As for electrical stations affecting pumping, that isn't the sole method for getting water out to the people. That all said and done however, your stance was that hitting power plants and/or roads/bridges is a war crime. I proved to you unequivocally that it most certainly isn't. Your retort?

My retort is yes, israel by doing everything i mention, is a war crime, amnesty international is their job to do watch dog, claimed also israel did war crimes by doing this, so you can twist it like the way you want, ISRAEL DID A WAR CRIME.

Anyone can throw out dates. Hey aeon, I was on the Assault Pioneer Course serial 0401 from x date to x date. Your views and or understanding of military concepts do not belie you ever wore a uniform. You have no concept of FIBUA, the Geneva Convention, or the Rules of Armed Conflict. If you WERE a soldier, did you simply fail to pay attention at all? Anyone in uniform (that has been trained fully) knows that knocking out a power station is NOT a war crime, hence why our Nation has knocked out power stations in numerous missions to further our offensive operations. As for Gagetown, if you WERE actually there, i'm happy you had power. I didn't during my exercise. I lived in a foxhole for 3 weeks in the middle of February, living off of hard rations. My point? I didn't need power to survive. Power is not essential to human existence, ergo disrupting power is not a war crime under Article 54 of the 3rd Geneva Convention.

1.Ok, who cares

2. Yes israel did a war crime, whatever you try to twist it.

This coming from the guy that claims to be on a personal knowledge level of everyone in the Province of Quebec. Sure buds.

Listen up chicken bastard, keep your hatred towards us for you.

Exactly what i've been saying all along. Cause and effect. Palestine stops acting like morons, the IDF stops attacking them. Problem solved.

What do you think about this ? If jews had stop acting like morons, there wouldnt have been 6 millions of jews killed during the holocost.

same stupidity, differents a.s.s ho.les.

I personally never destroyed civilian property in Afghanistan. In fact we had very few cases of destroyed property. Yeah a few cars got hit in traffic accidents, and we kicked in a few doors (of weapons smugglers), but nothing major. Ok I lied, I did trample some flowers in a Kabul neighbourhood during the first month of my tour. In my defence it was night time and I had more important things to worry about i.e. being shot. So there, ok, i'm a big bad oppressor. I ruined some Afghans flowerbed during a night operation. I'm a dick.

absotly a dick.

Now you are truely splitting hairs aeon. First off, that police station, was funded and built by us. Re-read the caption. It was brand new. You know what, i'll just bring the caption to you:

They are inspecting the construction site of Sub Station 9 which is a Canadian funded project to assist the police in Kandahar City.

Again nothing in there support the claim that you/canadian forces built police station, inspecting construction site, isnt building something

That is the real mission of canadians

The mission of ISAF is to maintain security in Kabul and its surrounding areas so the Afghan Transitional Authority and UN agencies can begin rebuilding the country. At this time, ISAF comprises approximately 5,500 troops from 31 nations.

nice try.

Tenet would have had to provide concrete sources to Congress before the mobilization of the U.S. military. Retort?

There was no proof, some UN inspectors like scott ritter, even said publicly there was no proof, except fabrication from the bush administration and george tenet, period, here is the proof

http://www.thehoya.com/news/030204/news5.cfm

“This war [with Iraq] was cooked up in Texas,” Ritter said in opening his speech, where he highlighted several ways in which he believed the CIA and the president concealed evidence from the public regarding the facts.

Actually they claim to represent Iraq and Afghanistan. Might want to tune in to reality more often.

Claiming to represent exactly what in iraq? governement or small rebels groups? exactly, big differences.

 

[Freethinker]

RE: A unique opportunity

When I see things on the news like: having our own home grown terrorist wanting to blow up targets in Canada, I have such a hard time comprehending the bad memes that cause this. But drop into this forum for the first time in months and I am given a unique opportunity to watch unabashed supporters in action.

People who think terrorists are heros and want to stand up and cheer about it publicly. I wonder if Aeon does a little dance whenever someone blows up a communter train. But of course the Brits/Spanish/Indians/insert victim of the week deserved it. I mean somehow, some way they must have wronged those poor innocent guys with backpacks full of nailbombs.

Then again I guess we can feel safe in the knowledge that everything this guy does is probably recorded by CSIS, so that if he ever decided to become a "hero" some day, there would be a swift takedown.

How many of these are we growing that we don't know about? I am really starting to think that CSIS does need more power.

 

[Mogz]

RE: Palestinian hero kidn

My retort is yes, israel by doing everything i mention, is a war crime, amnesty international is their job to do watch dog, claimed also israel did war crimes by doing this, so you can twist it like the way you want, ISRAEL DID A WAR CRIME.

Amnesty International is not sanctioned by anyone to be a "global watchdog". Are they sanctioned by The International Criminal Court in The Hague? No, they're not. They're a lobbyist group aeon, nothing more, nothing less.

1.Ok, who cares

2. Yes israel did a war crime, whatever you try to twist it.

Way to stand up for yourself aeon, you're a liar. That said, no Israel did not commit a war crime by knocking out a power station. I'll put it to you again aeon. Prove to me a war crime was committed under the rules of the 3rd Geneva Convetion when Israel knocked out a power station. Prove it to me. You're the one that puts this massive faith in someone having to utterly prove every tidbit of everything they say, so put up the proof aeon. Show me where in the Geneva Convention it claims that destroying a power facility is a war crime. I'm calling you on this aeon, prove it. You just sitting there and saying "whatever you try to twist it" doesn't work. I'm not twisting anything, i'm simply telling you in all reality, power stations are NOT protected by the Geneva Convetion, and therefore not a war crime in their destruction. Prove it otherwise.

Listen up chicken bastard, keep your hatred towards us for you.

I don't hate Quebec or anyone from it. As i've said before my mother is French-Canadian. That said, nothing I posted had anything to do with hate. I pointed out that in another thread, or was it this one? Regardless, in another POST you claimed to be able to vouch for every single inhabitant of Quebec on an issue. I was merely pointing out you're out to lunch. Take that as "hate" if you will. It's not. It's me pointing out that you're a pathological liar.

What do you think about this ? If jews had stop acting like morons, there wouldnt have been 6 millions of jews killed during the holocost.

First off it's holocaust aeon. That said, you're a blatant anti-semite aeon. I pity you.

absotly a dick.

If that's the worst thing I did in Afghanistan, then I guess my mission of bring peace to the region was accomplished with minimal casualties hey?

Again nothing in there support the claim that you/canadian forces built police station, inspecting construction site, isnt building something

Ok, seriously:

Canadian funded project

Not that hard, it's right in the caption. We put the capital up to build the damned station.

That is the real mission of canadians

Is that a fact? Might want to double check aeon. Canada, aside from a handful of soldiers, isn't a part of ISAF anymore, considering ISAF Operates in Kabul and we're deployed in Kandahar. But i'm sure you knew that. Right? In case you didn't:

With the exception of approximately 85 CF personnel serving with various military and civilian organizations in Kabul and Bagram, all CF assets were consolidated with the closure of Camp Julien (previously the Canadian base of operations in Kabul) and relocated to Kandahar, in the southern region of Afghanistan.

Link

That said, aeon, have you ever heard of the War in the Balkans? When we deployed under Operation Palladium our mandate was:

Canada is a significant contributor to the NATO mission in Bosnia-Herzegovina known as the Stabilization Force, or SFOR. Canadian troops first came to the Balkans in February 1992 as part of the United Nations Protection Force (UNPROFOR), which was formed to protect non-combatants during the wars that tore apart the former Republic of Yugoslavia. With the signing on December 14, 1995, of the General Framework Agreement for Peace at Paris, after negotiations conducted at Dayton, Ohio, NATO entered Bosnia-Herzegovina with the 60,000-strong Implementation Force (IFOR) to ensure that the belligerent parties complied with its terms.

That was our mandate, to keep the sides from killing eachother. That said, if that was our mandate, explain this:

Link

A Pallet Loading System (PLS) vehicle from 1 Combat Engineer Regiment (1CER), loads pallets outside of a school that 1CER rebuilt near Velika Kladusa, Bosnia-Herzegovina. The PLS is one of ten variants of the Heavy Logistic Wheeled Vehicle (HLVW) and provides support to land forces involved in operations, domestic emergencies, as well as peacekeeping missions.
There are currently 1,450 Canadians enforcing the peace in Bosnia-Herzegovina as part Operation Palladium, Canada's contribution to NATO's Stabilization Force (SFOR).

Our mandate for Bosnia said nothing about helping to rebuild schools, yet we did it. My point? Of course our fucking mandate in Afghanistan isn't to build schools and dig wells you fool. We're at War. BUt the thing that seperates Canada from other Nations, is that even when we're at War, we're civil about it. Need more convincing, i've got loads of time, especially when i'm at work.

There was no proof, some UN inspectors like scott ritter, even said publicly there was no proof, except fabrication from the bush administration and george tenet, period, here is the proof

Then how did they get the go ahead to mobilize for War with no proof?

Claiming to represent exactly what in iraq? governement or small rebels groups? exactly, big differences.

Actually they claim to represent the "prophet" but that's beside the point aeon....

 

[aeon]

Re: RE: Palestinian hero kidn

Amnesty International is not sanctioned by anyone to be a "global watchdog". Are they sanctioned by The International Criminal Court in The Hague? No, they're not. They're a lobbyist group aeon, nothing more, nothing less.

Again israel did a war crime, you can twist it the way you want, it means nothhing, cause israel did a war crime period.

Way to stand up for yourself aeon, you're a liar. That said, no Israel did not commit a war crime by knocking out a power station. I'll put it to you again aeon. Prove to me a war crime was committed under the rules of the 3rd Geneva Convetion when Israel knocked out a power station. Prove it to me. You're the one that puts this massive faith in someone having to utterly prove every tidbit of everything they say, so put up the proof aeon. Show me where in the Geneva Convention it claims that destroying a power facility is a war crime. I'm calling you on this aeon, prove it. You just sitting there and saying "whatever you try to twist it" doesn't work. I'm not twisting anything, i'm simply telling you in all reality, power stations are NOT protected by the Geneva Convetion, and therefore not a war crime in their destruction. Prove it otherwise.

They did , amnesty international it is their job, therefore, israel did a war crime.

I don't hate Quebec or anyone from it. As i've said before my mother is French-Canadian. That said, nothing I posted had anything to do with hate. I pointed out that in another thread, or was it this one? Regardless, in another POST you claimed to be able to vouch for every single inhabitant of Quebec on an issue. I was merely pointing out you're out to lunch. Take that as "hate" if you will. It's not. It's me pointing out that you're a pathological liar.

You hate us, you already said, we are most backward people in canada, when in fact it is totally the opposite, nice try.

First off it's holocaust aeon. That said, you're a blatant anti-semite aeon. I pity you.

Well first of all my girlfriend is a jew, second of all, if i am antisemite, then all those jews are anti-semite

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.org/

And more importantly that you are an anti-palestinians,anti-arabs at best, by your posts,very easy to admit.

I've never said, jews were moron, i've never said jews were people from the dark age, i've never said jews were sub-human, just like you did with the palestinians.

Ok, seriously:

Canadian funded project

Not that hard, it's right in the caption. We put the capital up to build the damned station.

Canadian funded project, isnt about rebuilding anything, and also, it is not canadian forces funded project, more of a private canadian project, quite different.

Then how did they get the go ahead to mobilize for War with no proof?

Well then show me those proof they use for the war, i've been looking for them, for 3 years now, and still havent found them, find them to me.

Actually they claim to represent the "prophet" but that's beside the point aeon....

It is not beside anything, they claim to represent a rebels groups, when general boykin represent the bush administration, that is quite the same stupidity, but one is in very powerful position.

 

[thomaska]

Best quote of the day so far...

Defense Minister Amir Peretz said Thursday night that, “We expected Hizbullah to break the rules, and now we intend to break them.

“We do not mean for this event to end when the situation returns to how things were a few days ago,” he said.

 

[Mogz]

Again israel did a war crime, you can twist it the way you want, it means nothhing, cause israel did a war crime period.

This ties in to the next quote so i'll merge the two:

They did , amnesty international it is their job, therefore, israel did a war crime.

I asked you to prove it aeon. As I said above, Amnesty International is a lobbyist group, they are not, I say again, NOT santionced by the International Criminal Court in The Hauge (the group that defines and prosecutes war criminals). Therefore they have no official ability, other than their own self-indulgence, to define on an official scale what is and isn't a war crime. So i'll say again aeon, prove to me with the Geneva Convention that knocking out power is a war crime. Either admit you cannot or prove it. Stop beating around the bush.

You hate us, you already said, we are most backward people in canada, when in fact it is totally the opposite, nice try.

Oh I do think Quebecers are the most socially ignorant and backwards people in Canada. They have no desire to fit in to Canadian society (i'm generalizing, there are some that don't act like tools). Did I ever once say I hated Quebec or it's inhabitants? No, I did not.

Well first of all my girlfriend is a jew, second of all, if i am antisemite, then all those jews are anti-semite

Your girlfriend is not a Jew aeon. If she was, you'd never speak like you do about Israel and Judaism.

And more importantly that you are an anti-palestinians,anti-arabs at best, by your posts,very easy to admit.

I've never said, jews were moron, i've never said jews were people from the dark age, i've never said jews were sub-human, just like you did with the palestinians.

I'm not anti-palestine, i'm pro-Israel. There is a difference. I don't wish harm on Palestinians or their Nation, but I won't condem Israel attacks that are in self-defence. The Palestinian people ARE morons aeon, they lack direction and lack the ability to fit in to the 21st Century World. That said, I never said they were sub-human, that is your own addition to what i've been saying. I would like you to show me where, in this thread, in fact on this forum, where I have ever said I thought Palestinians were "sub-human". Prove it.

Canadian funded project, isnt about rebuilding anything, and also, it is not canadian forces funded project, more of a private canadian project, quite different.

If we're funding it, we're helping to build it. Also, in that caption it doesn't say where the money came from. So how do you know it wasn't the Canadian Army? You don't.

Well then show me those proof they use for the war, i've been looking for them, for 3 years now, and still havent found them, find them to me.

Nice deflection aeon. The proof you seek won't be available to google aeon. I'm not sure if you're aware, but the Government tends to keep their information classified. The only people with a real "need to know" where those invovled in the decision to go to War (The Presidency, Congress, and the Senate). If you could just google up any bit of National U.S. Intel, that'd be a big problem aeon. So your search will never be completed as the information you seek is not avaiable to the public. That said, answer my question. How did Bush get Congress and the Senate to approve mobilization for two (2) Wars without any proof aeon?

It is not beside anything, they claim to represent a rebels groups, when general boykin represent the bush administration, that is quite the same stupidity, but one is in very powerful position.

If I get a sign that reads "Death to Frenchmen", and parade in front of Walmart in my Army Uniform, do I speak for myself and my views or the Canadian Army as a whole aeon?

 

[aeon]

Re: RE: Palestinian hero kidnapped israeli soldier

I asked you to prove it aeon. As I said above, Amnesty International is a lobbyist group, they are not, I say again, NOT santionced by the International Criminal Court in The Hauge (the group that defines and prosecutes war criminals). Therefore they have no official ability, other than their own self-indulgence, to define on an official scale what is and isn't a war crime. So i'll say again aeon, prove me with the Geneva Convention that knocking out power is a war crime. Either admit you cannot or prove it. Stop beating around the bush.

I did, and here it is again, and by the way, it is not the hauge, but hague

http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/document.do?id=ENGMDE150612006

Deliberate attacks by Israeli forces against civilian property and infrastructure in the Gaza Strip violate international humanitarian law and constitute war crimes, Amnesty International said today.

The deliberate destruction of the Gaza Strip’s only electricity power station, water networks, bridges, roads and other infrastructure is a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention and has major and long-term humanitarian consequences for the 1.5 million inhabitants of the Gaza Strip.

And here is the palestinians governement who is filling a law suit for war crimes in the Hague.

The Hamas-led Palestinian government is filing a war crimes lawsuit against Israel at the International Criminal Court at The Hague.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/?feed=TopNews&article=UPI-1-20060704-07131500-bc-mideast-hamas.xml

Oh I do think Quebecers are the most socially ignorant and backwards people in Canada. They have no desire to fit in to Canadian society (i'm generalizing, there are some that don't act like tools). Did I ever once say I hated Quebec or it's inhabitants? No, I did not.

We are backward and socially ignorant?? strangely, we were the mainly the only one against the war in iraq from canadians, look who was right?

For backward peoples,it is quite surprising that some peoples from quebec invented soft image, you know the one who made the software for jurassic park 1, same for many things in NASA, surprising isnt??

Your girlfriend is not a Jew aeon. If she was, you'd never speak like you do about Israel and Judaism.

what you mean, is if she was a zionist, i wouldnt speak like this, i admit, but she is not, according to her, and many jews around the world, zionist are the reason why there is so much anti-semitism around the world.

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

I'm not anti-palestine, i'm pro-Israel. There is a difference. I don't wish harm on Palestinians or their Nation, but I won't condem Israel attacks that are in self-defence. The Palestinian people ARE morons aeon, they lack direction and lack the ability to fit in to the 21st Century World. That said, I never said they were sub-human, that is your own addition to what i've been saying. I would like you to show me where, in this thread, in fact on this forum, where I have ever said I thought Palestinians were "sub-human". Prove it.

You said, they were morons, you said, they still live in the dark age, so yes , you are anti-palestinians, i 've never stated stupidity like this towards anyone, except of course, the retarded moron , who are the zionist, the rretarded moron who are the fundamentalist christian, like harper, bush.

If we're funding it, we're helping to build it. Also, in that caption it doesn't say where the money came from. So how do you know it wasn't the Canadian Army? You don't.

Funding from who? that is the question, also, nothing in what you showed me, was to support your claim, therefore you are a liar at best.

Nice delection aeon. The proof you seek won't be available to google aeon. I'm not sure if you're aware, but the Government tends to keep their information classified. The only people with a read "need to know" where those invovled in the decision to go to War (The Presidency, Congress, and the Senate). If you could just google up any bit of National U.S. Intel, that'd be a big problem aeon. So your search will never be completed as the information you seek is not avaiable to the public. That said, answer my question. How did Bush get Congress and the Senate to approve mobilization for two (2) Wars without any proof aeon?

Show me those proof they had, they had absotly none at all, and claiming, that this information isnt available to the public is retarded at best, The white house memo, the clarke testimony, the case with wilson and cheeney, the george tenet slam dunk , all prove there was no evidence whatsover.

remember powell at the UN in february 2003?? with his fabricated evidence

http://middleeastreference.org.uk/un030214.html

1. GENERAL

CLAIM

Powell: "The gravity of this moment is matched by the gravity of the threat that Iraq's weapons of mass destruction pose to the world."

EVIDENCE

Blix: "So far, UNMOVIC has not found any such weapons, only a small number of empty chemical munitions, which should have been declared and destroyed."

2. COMPLIANCE with INSPECTIONS

a) CLAIM

Blair dossier, p.3: "Journeys are monitored by security officers stationed on the route if they have prior intelligence. Any changes of destination are notified ahead by telephone or radio so that arrival is anticipated. The welcoming party is a give away."

Powell: "This sequence of events raises the worrisome suspicion that Iraq had been tipped off to the forthcoming inspections at Taji"

EVIDENCE

Blix: "Since we arrived in Iraq, we have conducted more than 400 inspections covering more than 300 sites. All inspections were performed without notice, and access was almost always provided promptly. In no case have we seen convincing evidence that the Iraqi side knew in advance that the inspectors were coming."

b) CLAIM

Blair dossier, p.3: "Escorts are trained, for example, to start long arguments with other Iraqi officials ‘on behalf of UNMOVIC’ while any incriminating evidence is hastily being hidden behind the scenes."

EVIDENCE

Blix: "we note that access to sites has so far been without problems, including those that had never been declared or inspected, as well as to Presidential sites and private residences."

3. 'COMPLIANCE on SUBSTANCE'

a) CLAIM

Powell: "We believe Saddam Hussein knows what he did with [chemical weapons] and he has not come clean with the international community. We have evidence these weapons existed. What we don't have is evidence from Iraq that they have been destroyed or where they are."

EVIDENCE

Blix: "a letter of 12 February from Iraq’s National Monitoring Directorate may be of relevance. It presents a list of 83 names of participants 'in the unilateral destruction in the chemical field, which took place in the summer of 1991'. As the absence of adequate evidence of that destruction has been and remains an important reason why quantities of chemicals have been deemed 'unaccounted for', the presentation of a list of persons who can be interviewed about the actions appears useful and pertains to cooperation on substance."

b) CLAIM

Blair dossier, p.2: "The Regime has intensified efforts to hide documents in places where they are unlikely to be found, such as private homes of low-level officials and universities."

Powell: "Thanks to intelligence they were provided, the inspectors recently found dramatic confirmation of these reports. When they searched the homes of an Iraqi nuclear scientist, they uncovered roughly 2,000 pages of documents. You see them here being brought out of the home and placed in UN hands. Some of the material is classified and related to Iraq's nuclear program."

EVIDENCE

ElBaradei: "The IAEA has completed a more detailed review of the 2000 pages of documents found on 16 January at the private residence of an Iraqi scientist. The documents relate predominantly to lasers, including the use of laser technology to enrich uranium. [...] While the documents have provided some additional details about Iraq's laser enrichment development efforts, they refer to activities or sites already known to the IAEA and appear to be the personal files of the scientist in whose home they were found. Nothing contained in the documents alters the conclusions previously drawn by the IAEA concerning the extent of Iraq's laser enrichment programme."

c) CLAIM

Powell: "Iraq has a high-level committee to monitor the inspectors who were sent in to monitor Iraq's disarmament -- not to cooperate with them, not to assist them, but to spy on them and keep them from doing their jobs."

EVIDENCE

Blix: "The Iraqi side also informed us that the commission, which had been appointed in the wake of our finding 12 empty chemical weapons warheads, had had its mandate expanded to look for any still existing proscribed items. This was welcomed. A second commission, we learnt, has now been appointed with the task of searching all over Iraq for more documents relevant to the elimination of proscribed items and programmes. It is headed by the former Minister of Oil, General Amer Rashid, and is to have very extensive powers of search in industry, administration and even private houses."

4. CONCEALMENT?

a) CLAIM

Powell: "you will see the type of concealment activity Iraq has undertaken in response to the resumption of inspections. [...] We must ask ourselves: Why would Iraq suddenly move equipment of this nature before inspections if they were anxious to demonstrate what they had or did not have?"

EVIDENCE

Blix: "intelligence has led to sites where no proscribed items were found. Even in such cases, however, inspection of these sites were useful in proving the absence of such items and in some cases the presence of other items – conventional munitions. It showed that conventional arms are being moved around the country and that movements are not necessarily related to weapons of mass destruction."

b) CLAIM

Powell: "This one is about a weapons munition facility, a facility that holds ammunition at a place called Taji. This is one of about 65 such facilities in Iraq. We know that this one has housed chemical munitions. [...] Here you see 15 munitions bunkers in yellow and red outlines. The four that are in red squares represent active chemical munitions bunkers. [...] Now look at the picture on the right. You are now looking at two of those sanitized bunkers. The signature vehicles are gone, the tents are gone. It's been cleaned up. And it was done on the 22nd of December as the UN inspection team is arriving, and you can see the inspection vehicles arriving in the lower portion of the picture on the right. The bunkers are clean when the inspectors get there. They found nothing."

EVIDENCE

Blix: "The presentation of intelligence information by the US Secretary of State suggested that Iraq had prepared for inspections by cleaning up sites and removing evidence of proscribed weapons programmes. I would like to comment only on one case, which we are familiar with, namely, the trucks identified by analysts as being for chemical decontamination at a munitions depot. This was a declared site, and it was certainly one of the sites Iraq would have expected us to inspect. We have noted that the two satellite images of the site were taken several weeks apart. The reported movement of munitions at the site could just as easily have been a routine activity as a movement of proscribed munitions in anticipation of imminent inspection."

5. The EFFECTIVENESS of INSPECTIONS

a) CLAIM

Powell: "The pattern is not just one of reluctant cooperation, nor is it merely a lack of cooperation. What we see is a deliberate campaign to prevent any meaningful inspection work."

EVIDENCE

ElBaradei: "The Government of Iraq reiterated last week its commitment to comply with its Security Council obligations and to provide full and active co-operation with the inspecting organizations. Subject to Iraq making good on this commitment, the above measures will contribute to the effectiveness of the inspection process."

b) CLAIM

Powell: "Just imagine trying to find 18 trucks among the thousands and thousands of trucks that travel the roads of Iraq every single day. It took the inspectors four years to find out that Iraq was making biological agents. How long do you think it will take the inspectors to find even one of these 18 trucks without Iraq coming forward as they are supposed to with the information about these kinds of capabilities."

EVIDENCE

Blix: "It is our intention to examine the possibilities for surveying ground movements, notably by trucks. In the face of persistent intelligence reports for instance about mobile biological weapons production units, such measures could well increase the effectiveness of inspections."

6. INTERVIEWS

a) CLAIM

Powell: "The regime only allows interviews with inspectors in the presence of an Iraqi official, a minder."

EVIDENCE

ElBaradei: "The IAEA has continued to interview key Iraqi personnel. We have recently been able to conduct four interviews in private - that is, without the presence of an Iraqi observer."

b) CLAIM

Powell: "Iraq did not meet its obligations under 1441 to provide a comprehensive list of scientists associated with its weapons of mass destruction programs."

EVIDENCE

ElBaradei: "In response to a request by the IAEA, Iraq has expanded the list of relevant Iraqi personnel to over 300, along with their current work locations. The list includes the higher-level key scientists known to the IAEA in the nuclear and nuclear related areas."

7. WEAPONS and FACILITIES

a) CLAIM

Powell: "These quantities of chemical weapons are now unaccounted for. [...] Saddam Hussein has chemical weapons."

EVIDENCE

Blix: "To take an example, a document, which Iraq provided, suggested to us that some 1,000 tonnes of chemical agent were "unaccounted for". One must not jump to the conclusion that they exist."

b) CLAIM

Powell: "As part of this effort, another little piece of evidence, Iraq has built an engine test stand that is larger than anything it has ever had. Notice the dramatic difference in size between the test stand on the left, the old one, and the new one on the right. Note the large exhaust vent. This is where the flame from the engine comes out. The exhaust vent on the right test stand is five times longer than the one on the left. The one of the left is used for short-range missiles. The one on the right is clearly intended for long-range missiles that can fly 1,200 kilometers. This photograph was taken in April of 2002. Since then, the test stand has been finished and a roof has been put over it so it will be harder for satellites to see what's going on underneath the test stand."

EVIDENCE

Blix: "The experts also studied the data on the missile engine test stand that is nearing completion [...]. So far, the test stand has not been associated with a proscribed activity."

c) CLAIM

Powell: "it strikes me as quite odd that these [aluminium] tubes are manufactured to a tolerance that far exceeds U.S. requirements for comparable rockets. Maybe Iraqis just manufacture their conventional weapons to a higher standard than we do, but I don't think so.

EVIDENCE

ElBaradei: "Iraq has been asked to explain the reasons for the tight tolerance specifications that it had requested from various suppliers. Iraq has provided documentation related to the project for reverse engineering and has committed itself to providing samples of tubes received from prospective suppliers."

d) CLAIM

Powell: "Intercepted communications from mid-2000 through last summer showed that Iraq front companies sought to buy machines that can be used to balance gas centrifuge rotors. [...] there is no doubt in my mind. These illicit procurement efforts show that Saddam Hussein is very much focused on putting in place the key missing piece from his nuclear weapons program".

EVIDENCE

ElBaradei: "IAEA inspectors found a number of documents relevant to transactions aimed at the procurement of carbon fibre, a dual-use material used by Iraq in its past clandestine uranium enrichment programme for the manufacture of gas centrifuge rotors. Our review of these documents suggests that the carbon fibre sought by Iraq was not intended for enrichment purposes, as the specifications of the material appear not to be consistent with those needed for manufacturing rotor tubes. In addition, we have carried out follow-up inspections, during which we have been able to observe the use of such carbon fibre in non-nuclear-related applications and to take samples."

NO EVIDENCE WHATSOVER.

If I get a sign that reads "Death to Frenchmen", and parade in front of Walmart in my Army Uniform, do I speak for myself and my views or the Canadian Army as a whole aeon?

If you hold no position in the governement, it means absotly nothing, nobody has voted for you, you don't represent nothing at all, nice try.

 

[Mogz]

I did, and here it is again, and by the way, it is not the hauge, but hague

1. That's Amnesty International, a lobbyist group. I said show me where in the Geneva Convetion it says that knocking out a power station is a war crime aeon. That Geneva Convetion is the basis for determining if something is or isn't a war crime. So bust out the Geneva Convetion and show me where in there is says that destroying a station and/or bridges constitutes war crimes.

2. It's THE Hague aeon. As in The Hague in the Netherlands, not the Hague region of France. But i'm sure you knew that. Proof (as I know you're driven by it):

Link

P.S. If you were trying to correct my spelling, i'm entitled to a spelling mistake aeon. I don't think i'll take gramatical lectures from you after you butcher the English language like you do.

And here is the palestinians governement who is filling a law suit for war crimes in the Hague.

So what? They can file for it all they want. Doesn't mean war crimes took place.

We are backward and socially ignorant?? strangely, we were the mainly the only one against the war in iraq from canadians, look who was right?

For backward peoples,it is quite surprising that some peoples from quebec invented soft image, you know the one who made the software for jurassic park 1, same for many things in NASA, surprising isnt??

You were also the "people" who opposed going to War against Germany in 1939. Imagine if we'd stayed out of that conflict aeon. The French (by and large, i'm not labeling every French man and woman here) are cowards. You've a long history both in France and Canada of trying to avoid War, even when it's justified.

Aeon, shut up. What has inventing some software have to do with a Provinces stance on society in Canada? Nothing.

what you mean, is if she was a zionist, i wouldnt speak like this, i admit, but she is not, according to her, and many jews around the world, zionist are the reason why there is so much anti-semitism around the world.

There is nothing wrong with zionism aeon. It's people looking for a place to live, and live free, something I support. You do realize there is a difference between a Jewish-Canadian and an Israeli-Jew right? The ones living in Canada aren't forced to battle social ignorants for a place to live safe. The Israeli's are. You want to blame zionism on anti-semitism, I blame social ignorance on anti-semitism, something you show in utterly every post you make. You've made it a habit to utterly cut down Israel and Jews at every turn on these forums. As I said, you may have a girlfriend, but I highly doubt she's Jewish aeon. Maybe of Jewish decent, but not a practicing one, as I don't think, judging by your posts, that you'd tolerate that. I'm not the only one to call you on it here, many have, you put out the vibe of an anti-semite aeon. Come to terms with that, or change your atittude.

You said, they were morons, you said, they still live in the dark age, so yes , you are anti-palestinians, i 've never stated stupidity like this towards anyone, except of course, the retarded moron , who are the zionist, the rretarded moron who are the fundamentalist christian, like harper, bush.

You sure like to generalize don't you aeon. Yup I think Palestinians are morons and they've resolved themselves to living a darkage existence, but no where have I said i'm anti-Palestinian aeon? That said, you haven't proven to me where I said Palestinians were sub-human. Still waiting on you to prove it aeon, because I know I never said that.

Funding from who? that is the question, also, nothing in what you showed me, was to support your claim, therefore you are a liar at best.

Haha i'm a liar? I posted dozens of links showing the humanitarian side of what we're doing in Afghanistan. I didn't post one that spells out in GREAT DETAIL exactly who is building it, and who EXACTLY is funding it and now i'm the liar? You know aeon, objective thinkers can come to the conclusion on their own. Please aeon, if you're going to sling mud, do so with some just cause. Everything I showed you supported my claim aeon, you just don't want to see it, because of your warped spin on society. Call me a liar all you want, i've been called much worse by better people. I did provide you utter and unequivocal proof. What you decide to do with it is your business. I will not be held responsible for your inability to face reality.

Show me those proof they had, they had absotly none at all, and claiming, that this information isnt available to the public is retarded at best, The white house memo, the clarke testimony, the case with wilson and cheeney, the george tenet slam dunk , all prove there was no evidence whatsover.

remember powell at the UN in february 2003?? with his fabricated evidence

How can I show you classified U.S. Government intel aeon? Seriously, are you that out of touch with reality? I'm not sure if you ARE aware but Governments DO keep secrets. Do you honestly expect to be able to find anything you want on the internet aeon? You have got to be the biggest social reject I have ever encountered. Where I work we keep classified documents under lock and key. They aren't available on the internet under a google search aeon. What makes you think that U.S. intel would be?

If you hold no position in the governement, it means absotly nothing, nobody has voted for you, you don't represent nothing at all, nice try.

No body voted for a U.S. Soldier either aeon....soldiers volunteer and are appointed posts. The public doesn't choose them.

That said I just realized you utterly avoided an issue from a few post back. One where I proved you utterly wrong as per usual:

That is the real mission of canadians:

"The mission of ISAF is to maintain security in Kabul and its surrounding areas so the Afghan Transitional Authority and UN agencies can begin rebuilding the country. At this time, ISAF comprises approximately 5,500 troops from 31 nations."

Is that a fact? Might want to double check aeon. Canada, aside from a handful of soldiers, isn't a part of ISAF anymore, considering ISAF Operates in Kabul and we're deployed in Kandahar. But i'm sure you knew that. Right? In case you didn't:

With the exception of approximately 85 CF personnel serving with various military and civilian organizations in Kabul and Bagram, all CF assets were consolidated with the closure of Camp Julien (previously the Canadian base of operations in Kabul) and relocated to Kandahar, in the southern region of Afghanistan.

Link

That said, aeon, have you ever heard of the War in the Balkans? When we deployed under Operation Palladium our mandate was:

Canada is a significant contributor to the NATO mission in Bosnia-Herzegovina known as the Stabilization Force, or SFOR. Canadian troops first came to the Balkans in February 1992 as part of the United Nations Protection Force (UNPROFOR), which was formed to protect non-combatants during the wars that tore apart the former Republic of Yugoslavia. With the signing on December 14, 1995, of the General Framework Agreement for Peace at Paris, after negotiations conducted at Dayton, Ohio, NATO entered Bosnia-Herzegovina with the 60,000-strong Implementation Force (IFOR) to ensure that the belligerent parties complied with its terms.

That was our mandate, to keep the sides from killing eachother. That said, if that was our mandate, explain this:

Link

A Pallet Loading System (PLS) vehicle from 1 Combat Engineer Regiment (1CER), loads pallets outside of a school that 1CER rebuilt near Velika Kladusa, Bosnia-Herzegovina. The PLS is one of ten variants of the Heavy Logistic Wheeled Vehicle (HLVW) and provides support to land forces involved in operations, domestic emergencies, as well as peacekeeping missions.
There are currently 1,450 Canadians enforcing the peace in Bosnia-Herzegovina as part Operation Palladium, Canada's contribution to NATO's Stabilization Force (SFOR).

Our mandate for Bosnia said nothing about helping to rebuild schools, yet we did it. My point? Of course our *censored* mandate in Afghanistan isn't to build schools and dig wells you fool. We're at War. BUt the thing that seperates Canada from other Nations, is that even when we're at War, we're civil about it. Need more convincing, i've got loads of time, especially when i'm at work.


Care to defend yourself or just roll over as per usual when you've got nothing to bring to the conversation?

 

[aeon]

Re: RE: Palestinian hero kidnapped israeli soldier

1. That's Amnesty International, a lobbyist group. I said show me where in the Geneva Convetion it says that knocking out a power station is a war crime aeon. That Geneva Convetion is the basis for determining if something is or isn't a war crime. So bust out the Geneva Convetion and show me where in there is says that destroying a station and/or bridges constitutes war crimes.

2. It's THE Hague aeon. As in The Hague in the Netherlands, not the Hague region of France. But i'm sure you knew that. Proof (as I know you're driven by it):

Link

P.S. If you were trying to correct my spelling, i'm entitled to a spelling mistake aeon. I don't think i'll take gramatical lectures from you after you butcher the English language like you do.

1. a lobyist group??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amnesty_International

Amnesty International (commonly known as Amnesty or AI) is an international non-governmental organization with the stated purpose of promoting all the human rights enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and other international standards. In particular, Amnesty International campaigns to free all prisoners of conscience; to ensure fair and prompt trials for political prisoners; to abolish the death penalty, torture, and other treatment of prisoners held by international law to be cruel or inhumane; to end political killings and forced disappearances; and to oppose all human rights abuses, whether committed by governments or by other groups. In addition, it has recently expanded its campaigns to include "economic, social and cultural rights". [1]
Amnesty International has a long history of pursuing neutrality within the context of its campaigning for the protection of human rights. The organization officially describes itself as "independent of any government, political ideology, economic interest or religion. It does not support or oppose any government or political system, nor does it support or oppose the views of the victims whose rights it seeks to protect. It is concerned solely with the impartial protection of human rights."[2]
Amnesty International is among the most widely respected human rights organizations in the world. It was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1977.

WAR CRIME

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_criminals

In the context of war, a war crime is a punishable offense under International Law, for violations of the laws of war by any person or persons, military or civilian. Every violation of the law of war in an inter-state conflict is a war crime,

Since israel has violated the geneva convention, and that same geneva convention represent internation law of warfare, then it is a war crime.

However since israel, usa and china didnt sign, the international court of the Hague, then it means absotly nothing.

You were also the "people" who opposed going to War against Germany in 1939. Imagine if we'd stayed out of that conflict aeon. The French (by and large, i'm not labeling every French man and woman here) are cowards. You've a long history both in France and Canada of trying to avoid War, even when it's justified.

Aeon, shut up. What has inventing some software have to do with a Provinces stance on society in Canada? Nothing.

Avoiding war, is a sign of humanist, and means we are evolve, thank you.

There is nothing wrong with zionism aeon. It's people looking for a place to live, and live free, something I support. You do realize there is a difference between a Jewish-Canadian and an Israeli-Jew right? The ones living in Canada aren't forced to battle social ignorants for a place to live safe. The Israeli's are. You want to blame zionism on anti-semitism, I blame social ignorance on anti-semitism, something you show in utterly every post you make. You've made it a habit to utterly cut down Israel and Jews at every turn on these forums. As I said, you may have a girlfriend, but I highly doubt she's Jewish aeon. Maybe of Jewish decent, but not a practicing one, as I don't think, judging by your posts, that you'd tolerate that. I'm not the only one to call you on it here, many have, you put out the vibe of an anti-semite aeon. Come to terms with that, or change your atittude.

She is totally, and she is the one who thought me everything i mainly know about palestine.

You sure like to generalize don't you aeon. Yup I think Palestinians are morons and they've resolved themselves to living a darkage existence, but no where have I said i'm anti-Palestinian aeon? That said, you haven't proven to me where I said Palestinians were sub-human. Still waiting on you to prove it aeon, because I know I never said that.

Exactly what i mean, you are anti-palestinians at this best, so shut up.

Haha i'm a liar? I posted dozens of links showing the humanitarian side of what we're doing in Afghanistan. I didn't post one that spells out in GREAT DETAIL exactly who is building it, and who EXACTLY is funding it and now i'm the liar? You know aeon, objective thinkers can come to the conclusion on their own. Please aeon, if you're going to sling mud, do so with some just cause. Everything I showed you supported my claim aeon, you just don't want to see it, because of your warped spin on society. Call me a liar all you want, i've been called much worse by better people. I did provide you utter and unequivocal proof. What you decide to do with it is your business. I will not be held responsible for your inability to face reality.

Yes you are a liar, everything you claimed, was a lie.

How can I show you classified U.S. Government intel aeon? Seriously, are you that out of touch with reality? I'm not sure if you ARE aware but Governments DO keep secrets. Do you honestly expect to be able to find anything you want on the internet aeon? You have got to be the biggest social reject I have ever encountered. Where I work we keep classified documents under lock and key. They aren't available on the internet under a google search aeon. What makes you think that U.S. intel would be?

Doenst matter, On what did the congress approved the war?? on what the whole administration did during 6 month of lies , scaring the shit out of the americans, and congress, even by having tenet, saying the wmd in iraq was a slam dunk, but in reality , it was a big lie, and i proved it to you.

No body voted for a U.S. Soldier either aeon....soldiers volunteer and are appointed posts. The public doesn't choose them.

Doesnt matter, this guy was put there, by the bush administration, therfore, it means , they are at the same level as those terrorist they fight, and those who held no position whatsover, means absotly nothing, except they are small rebel groups.

That said I just realized you utterly avoided an issue from a few post back. One where I proved you utterly wrong as per usual:

You proved absotly nothing at all, nothing in there support this claim

we've built water purification plants, pumping stations, power stations, post offices, schools, houses, and police stations.

 

[fuflans]

I just thought that I should try to get a word in before Mogz's regularly scheduled (pointless) retort.

 

[Jo Canadian]

 

[aeon]

So true.

 

[Mogz]

Re: RE: Palestinian hero kidnapped israeli soldier

I just thought that I should try to get a word in before Mogz's regularly scheduled (pointless) retort.

A suggestion. The next time you have the oportunity to "get a word in", at least use the time to say something intelligent, as opposed to posting something of no substance at all. For the record though, I don't really care what you think

That being said and done, my "pointles retort" wil follow when I have more time.

 

[Mogz]

So true.

Very true. They brought upon themselves the wrath of Israel. I feel no sympathy. I say keep looking Israel, and if by doing so you need to fire off a few 120mm rounds, by all means do so. They need to learn somehow.

 

[fuflans]

Re: RE: Palestinian hero kidnapped israeli soldier

I just thought that I should try to get a word in before Mogz's regularly scheduled (pointless) retort.

A suggestion. The next time you have the oportunity to "get a word in", at least use the time to say something intelligent, as opposed to posting something of no substance at all. For the record though, I don't really care what you think

That being said and done, my "pointles retort" wil follow when I have more time.

Hey, I'm on your side here. I find your posts very informative and convincing. The problem is that it's like you're talking to a brick wall. You could write an extremely eloquent and fact filled post (which they often are) and Aeon'll just write that you are some kind of American chicken terrorist dog or something and repeat the same crap over and over again. That's all I meant by 'pointless.' Look forward to your next post, though.

 

[Wangolde]

maybe... nice try spammer

 

[iARTthere4iam]

Don't worry i don't think that peace is likely to break out, so there is no need to modify your insane hatred for jews. Israel is gonna bitch-slap the gazan's and hizbollah for a while 'til they realize who their dealing with. Then you can see just how restrained the IDF has been.
How can you say the Jews don't want peace, they signed deals with Egypt and Jordan and have not had problems since.
Why would Israel leave any lands in the west bank after what happened since the withdrawl from Gaza. To create another platform from which to lauch rockets and raids?

 

[Logic 7]

Don't worry i don't think that peace is likely to break out, so there is no need to modify your insane hatred for jews. Israel is gonna bitch-slap the gazan's and hizbollah for a while 'til they realize who their dealing with. Then you can see just how restrained the IDF has been.
How can you say the Jews don't want peace, they signed deals with Egypt and Jordan and have not had problems since.
Why would Israel leave any lands in the west bank after what happened since the withdrawl from Gaza. To create another platform from which to lauch rockets and raids?

I have a hard time to imagine, that IDF could do worst than they already did, the next step is total destructions.