Omnibus: Conservative Leadership Race

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Pierre is looking and sounding more like a Donald Trump. Say it as it is, and stop with the lies and bullshit, that arse holes like lefty liberal Charade enjoys pushing all the time. Just what Canada does not need anymore is another french socialist like Charade to lead and run the conservative party and Canada. Canada has had enough of these leftist liberal french socialists from Quebec. Canada needs a Trump like leader, and not a corrupt one like corrupt Charade. (n)

Go, Pierre,, go. (y)
 
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Not a good process at all. It was anything BUT a "debate". It was truly a horrible night for all the Candidates. I can only hope that the Toronto Debate goes much much better. While I'm not a Conservative supporter, I am interested in what the candidates have to say. One didn't get that in Edmonton. The CPC should be ashamed of themselves. It's no wonder they lost the last 3 elections if this is any indication.
 
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Not a good process at all. It was anything BUT a "debate". It was truly a horrible night for all the Candidates. I can only hope that the Toronto Debate goes much much better. While I'm not a Conservative supporter, I am interested in what the candidates have to say. One didn't get that in Edmonton. The CPC should be ashamed of themselves. It's no wonder they lost the last 3 elections if this is any indication.
they continue to listen to inexperienced political science majors who don’t know shit from shinola .
 

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Not a good process at all. It was anything BUT a "debate". It was truly a horrible night for all the Candidates. I can only hope that the Toronto Debate goes much much better. While I'm not a Conservative supporter, I am interested in what the candidates have to say. One didn't get that in Edmonton. The CPC should be ashamed of themselves. It's no wonder they lost the last 3 elections if this is any indication.

I still believe that Pierre is the man for the job of leading the conservative party. Pierre sounds more like a conservative then the rest do. :cool:
 
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Poilievre ran in favour of carbon taxes multiple times in his career
The record of all of the Conservative leadership candidates on carbon taxes is not as clear as they would have you believe.

Author of the article:Brian Lilley
Publishing date:May 16, 2022 • 16 hours ago • 3 minute read • 293 Comments

Pierre Poilievre attacks his Conservative leadership rivals Jean Charest and Patrick Brown for having supported carbon taxes when he’s campaigned for them in multiple elections. For those with short memories, the most recent example was just last September but it stretches all the way back to Poilievre’s first election in 2004.


Over the past 20 years, the Conservative position on dealing with carbon emissions has been all over the place. From supporting a direct-to-consumer carbon tax, as Erin O’Toole did in the last election, to regulating emissions for industries as the Harper government did, to promising a cap-and-trade system.

Poilievre attacks Charest and Brown as not being real Conservatives in part because of their support for these very same programs that he himself ran under. Charest implemented a cap-and-trade system for Quebec when he was premier, and Brown promised a consumer carbon tax when he was Ontario opposition leader.

In 2004, during his first attempt to become an MP, Poilievre ran for the Harper Conservatives under a platform calling for cap-and-trade as part of their Towards a Cleaner Canada pledge.


“Investigate a cap-and-trade system that will allow firms to generate credits by reducing smog-causing pollutants,” the platform stated on page 34.

In 2006, the Conservative platform was silent on cap-and-trade and carbon taxes but did promise a “made-in-Canada” plan to deal with carbon emissions. By 2008, though, the promise of a cap-and-trade system was back.


John Baird, who serves as Poilievre’s campaign co-chair, said in 2008 when he was Harper’s environment minister that putting a price on carbon was Conservative policy.

“Carbon trading and the establishment of a market price on carbon are key parts of our Turning the Corner plan,” Baird said in May 2008.

“We will work with the provinces and territories and our NAFTA trading partners in the United States and Mexico, at both the national and state levels, to develop and implement a North America-wide cap-and-trade system for greenhouse gases and air pollution, with implementation to occur between 2012 and 2015,” the platform said on page 32.


The same promise even made it into the Nov. 19, 2008 Speech from the Throne.

“We will work with the provincial governments and our partners to develop and implement a North America-wide cap-and-trade system for greenhouse gases and an effective international protocol for the post-2012 period,” the government promised.

These aren’t Liberal talking points, this is the Conservative record, direct from their platforms and statements.

In the early 2000s, the idea of cap and trade was seen as the Conservative, market-based approach to dealing with carbon emissions. It was promoted by conservative-leaning politicians across the country, including the Harper government that Poilievre was part of.

In 2011, 2015 and 2019, the Conservative Party ran on capping emissions for large polluters through regulation, a method of reducing emissions that puts a hidden cost on consumers by putting the cost on business. In 2021, though, it was a full-on consumer carbon tax with an Air Miles-type program that would let you buy products if you were a good consumer. It was a horrible policy, but Poilievre ran on it and had O’Toole won the election, it would have been implemented.

I’m all for debating the pros and cons of carbon taxes, cap-and-trade systems or using regulations to reduce emissions – heck, argue in favour of doing nothing at all if you want to. Candidates should use the campaign to explain why they would be the best candidate to beat Trudeau and the Liberals, not why the other candidates don’t qualify to be Conservative for holding the same policy the party once held.

That isn’t happening, though, and instead, we see personal attacks using revisionist history.

Voters in this election campaign deserve better.

blilley@postmedia.com
 

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Conservative party investigating complaint by Patrick Brown team about racist email
Author of the article:Canadian Press
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Publishing date:May 18, 2022 • 15 hours ago • 1 minute read • Join the conversation

OTTAWA — The Conservative Party of Canada is investigating a complaint lodged by Patrick Brown’s leadership campaign about a racist email it says it received from a member.


Calgary MP Michelle Rempel Garner, who is helping Brown in the race, shared a screenshot on Twitter of an email that she says the campaign received from an active member of the party.

The Canadian Press has not been provided with a copy of the email in question.

The text that Rempel Garner shared expresses support for Nazism and includes racist remarks directed at Black and Asian people.

The Conservative party confirmed on Twitter that it would investigate the complaint in accordance with rules that govern how and whether one’s membership can be revoked.

It says it condemns all forms of racism and takes such allegations seriously.

The text shared by Rempel Garner ends with the author saying they support Pierre Poilievre, an Ottawa-area Conservative MP who is also running in the leadership race.

“If you are a racist, I don’t want your vote,” Poilievre said in response to the email flagged by Brown’s campaign on Wednesday.

“Anyone promoting racism has no place in our party and should lose their membership,” he said in a written statement.

On Monday, Poilievre condemned what he called the “ugly racist hatred” behind the deadly attack at a supermarket in Buffalo, N.Y., where a white gunman killed 10 Black people.
 

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You also can’t continuously break Canadian laws in parliamentary ethics code and expect to be re-elected repeatedly but here we are?

Where are we on the Hauwei decision with respect the 5G now anyway, and why? Hmmm….What could influence stalling that decision (for Years!) that alienates our closest allies? What deal haven’t we heard of yet here? Where there’s political smoke in Canada, there’s usually a Liberal stench to accompany it, like burning diapers in the dumpster fire of Trudeau’s aura.

Where are we at with the Chinese Scientists out of the Winnipeg Bio-Lab & the parliamentary committee of inquiry on that situation, & why? What’s going on there that needs to be swept under the rug like SNC-Lavalamp or a WE Charity debacle? “Sorry Jody, but under the bus for you. Give my schoolmates a legal pass or suffer the consequences of not treating laws like a buffet table with a heaping helping of Laurentian elite corruption.”

Laws are not like a buffet table to be picked and chosen from. Of all the protests that have disrupted commerce and the flow of goods and peoples and the economy (cough…), how many had the nuclear option of the Emergencies Act thrown at them, & why?

Do you see the theme here? Which party, of the current choices we have, would be the best choice & voice of law & order if such a thing exists? The Liberals? The NDP that was so disgusted by the Liberals that they joined them? Lizzie May and her party of herself & probably someone else (?) who’s most memorable situation in parliament in recent memory is objecting to the use of the word “fart.” The Bloc ‘cuz Quebec is renown for its anti corruption stance (?) and its looking out for the interests of Canada as a whole?

Charest is a Quebec Liberal dragged out to use as a noisy puppet-like distraction and so far it’s reflected in the support he’s seeing in the party he’s trying to speak for. What seat in federal parliament does he represent again?
Chinese labs? Huawei?

Is this the stuff Conservatives need to lean on now?
Uhm….yeah….I was asking because of this:

Feb. 13, 2018: FBI Director Chris Wray warns against buying Huawei and ZTE phones.

Aug. 23, 2018: Australia says it won’t allow Huawei or ZTE to be part of the 5G rollout in that country.

Aug. 23, 2018: Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says Canada relies on its own security agencies for advice on the security of its telecommunications networks.

Oct. 2018: U.S. senators ask Canada to consider banning Huawei from its 5G rollout.

Jan. 18, 2019: China says a Canadian ban on Huawei’s 5G tech will trigger “repercussions.”

Feb. 21, 2019: Secretary of State Mike Pompeo says countries using Huawei tech pose a risk to the U.S.

May 15, 2019: U.S. President Donald Trump signs an executive order barring Huawei from doing business with any organization operating within the United States.

June 2019: Trump lifts some restrictions on Huawei as part of a bid to restart trade talks with China.

July 2019: Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale tells The Canadian Press Canada needs more information from the U.S. about the potential security threat from Huawei, and warns a decision is not likely before the federal election in the fall of 2019.

August 2019: U.S. bans government agencies and departments from doing business with Huawei, ZTE and three other Chinese firms.

March 28, 2019: British watchdog warns that Huawei products represent “significantly increased risk.”

July 2020: The United Kingdom bars Huawei from 5G networks with a phase-out date set for 2027. The date is moved up to 2021 the following fall.

(Remember when Canada was part of the five eyes security agreement….I’m sure Pepridge farms remembers)

November 2020: Canada’s Parliament passes a Conservative motion asking the government to ban Huawei within a month. The Liberals vote against the non-binding motion, but opposition parties vote in favour.

September 2021: Trudeau says a Huawei decision is coming “soon” following another federal election where he was returned as the leader of a second minority government.

May 18, 2022: China announces it is lifting a ban on Canadian canola imports that had been in place for three years.

May 19, 2022: Canada announces prohibition of Huawei and ZTE from Canada’s 5G networks.

The federal government has banned Huawei from working on Canada's fifth-generation networks over security concerns — a decision critics say was long overdue.

The move puts Canada in line with key intelligence allies like the United States which have expressed concerns about the national security implications of giving the Chinese tech giant access to key infrastructure.

The government is also banning ZTE, another Chinese state-backed telecommunications firm. A government policy statement posted online says companies will have until June 28, 2024 to remove or terminate 5G equipment from Huawei and ZTE.

They'll also have to remove or terminate any existing 4G equipment provided by the companies by December 31, 2027. The policy statement says the government expects companies to stop purchasing new 4G or 5G equipment from the companies by September of this year.

The government's decision has been a long time coming. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's government launched a review of the companies that would be permitted to service 5G networks during its first mandate.

Then-public safety minister Ralph Goodale promised to release a decision on Huawei before the 2019 federal election.

In a media statement, Conservative public safety critic Raquel Dancho and Gerard Deltell, the party's critic for innovation, science and industry, said the government should have banned Huawei YEARS sooner.

"Conservatives repeatedly called on the Trudeau government to do the right thing and listen to security experts and the calls from our allies — but they refused," they said in a statement.

They also raised concerns about the cost companies will have to bear to remove existing equipment.

"In the years of delay, Canadian telecommunications companies purchased hundreds of millions of dollars of Huawei equipment which will now need to be removed from their networks at enormous expense," they said, etc….
Until this week, Canada was the only member of the Five Eyes intelligence-sharing alliance – which also includes Australia, Britain, New Zealand and the United States – that had not yet banned or restricted the use of Huawei 5G mobile equipment.
he Liberals have promised for years an announcement on the issue was coming, citing the need to follow the proper processes, after launching a broader security review of 5G wireless technology in 2018.
"Either the Liberal government is going to be asked for compensation from these companies (Canada’s Telecom’s), or costs will be passed on to consumers. In either case, Justin Trudeau is forcing Canadians to bear the cost of his inaction and failure," said the party's public safety critic MP Raquel Dancho and industry critic MP Gerard Deltell in a statement, etc….
 
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Conservative party ends its investigation into complaint about racist email
Author of the article:Canadian Press
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Publishing date:May 23, 2022 • 16 hours ago • 1 minute read • 5 Comments

The Conservative Party of Canada has ended its investigation into a racist email sent to leadership contender Patrick Brown’s campaign team after the party member purportedly behind it resigned their membership.

Party spokesman Wayne Benson says the resignation terminates the investigation, adding information on the resigned member will be retained in case the person tries to rejoin the party at a later date.

The email came to light last week when Calgary MP Michelle Rempel Garner, who is helping Brown in the leadership race, shared a screenshot on Twitter of an email that she says the campaign received from an active party member.



The Canadian Press has not been provided with a copy of the email in question.

The text that Rempel Garner shared expresses support for Nazism and includes racist remarks directed at Black and Asian people. It ends with the author saying they support Pierre Poilievre, an Ottawa-area Conservative MP who is also running in the leadership race.

In response to the email flagged by Brown’s campaign last week, Poilievre said, “if you are a racist, I don’t want your vote.”

The party also appointed a new member to its shadow cabinet on Monday, tapping British Columbia MP Dan Albas as its new finance critic.

Interim Party Leader Candice Bergen announced the move days after long-time MP Ed Fast stepped down from the position.


Fast’s move came Wednesday shortly after he had criticized Poilievre for proposing to fire the Bank of Canada governor over the country’s high inflation rate.

Fast, who is helping chair Jean Charest’s bid for the party leadership, had told reporters he believed Poilievre’s pledge hurt the party’s credibility on economic issues and counted as interfering with the central bank’s independence.

Some within caucus felt Fast had crossed a line by invoking his finance critic title in his remarks. Fast said he was made to feel like he needed to stay silent on Poilievre’s attacks against the central bank and promotion of the cryptocurrency Bitcoin as a solution to inflation.
 

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OTTAWA—Pierre Poilievre’s campaign said Saturday it has sold upwards of 300,000 memberships in support of his bid for leadership of the federal Conservative party.

That number eclipses even the total number sold in the party’s last leadership race and appears to cement his status as the front-runner among the six people vying for the job.

Party officials had already been bracing for record-high membership sales, telling MPs in mid-May the numbers were already approaching the 400,000 mark.

& yet somehow…On Friday, another candidate in the contest, Jean Charest, claimed he had sold enough memberships to secure the majority of points he would need to win the contest. Was he using Carbon Tax math?
 
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