One solution would be a Brexit vote take 2
There's already been a referendum - and we voted to leave. End of.
And another referendum would only result in the British people voting to leave again and by an even wider margin. And then what would the Remoaners do? Call for a third one?
Remain zealots forget that democracy in Britain is all about meaningful votes
Charles Moore
15 June 2018
The Telegraph
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MPs cheer as the government is defeated over demands for a 'meaningful' vote on Brexit Deal
Number 32 Smith Square, Westminster, is a famous address. It used to be the Conservative Party headquarters. From its windows in 1979, in 1983 and in 1987, Margaret Thatcher waved to the crowds celebrating her successive general election victories. Early this century, in an act of real-estate revenge, it became the London office of the European Commission.
It was there, on Wednesday, that a secret meeting took place of the Provisional wing of the Remainer movement – fanatical cells like Open Britain,
George Soros’s comically named group Best for Britain, various peers who wish to curtail the power of the elected House of Commons and Tony Blair’s former simple sword of truth, Alastair Campbell – gathered to discuss tactics. (Question to Michel Barnier and EU Commissioners: is it normal for you to lend your premises to people who are trying to undermine the position of the Government with which you are negotiating?)
Who should be spotted
joining these desperadoes, but top ultra-Remainer Dominic Grieve, Queen’s Counsel, Conservative Member of Parliament, former Attorney-General and current deputy church warden? Mr Grieve is one of those learned lawyers who use phrases like “jointly and severally” and “inter alios” in real, live conversation, and thus convince the rest of us of their brilliance. He is also a man of conspicuous propriety, like the Pharisee in the Gospel who stands apart and prays: “God, I thank thee that I am not as other men are”.
The virtuous Mr Grieve swears that he is not trying to stop Brexit. He specifically told Parliament last year, “No one in this House… wishes to fetter the Government’s hands in negotiations, or indeed the Government’s right to walk away from the negotiations.” In which case, why did he attend the meeting of people who try to do little else? Perhaps he was attempting to dissuade them, or had popped in by mistake, thinking it was still dear old Tory Central Office.
Anyway, the Blessed Dominic and his small new religious order, the Grievous Dominicans, are now very annoyed with the Government. Just when they began boasting on Tuesday that Mrs May had promised them an amendment which would indeed have fettered the Government’s hands in EU negotiations and tied down its feet if it tried to walk away from them,
it turned out that she hadn’t.
The Government’s amendment twice uses the phrase “in neutral terms”, words which, under Standing Orders, make the matter voted on unamendable. This angered the Right Super-Honourable and Learned Member for Beaconsfield because it stops the “meaningful” Commons vote on any Brexit deal which he and his allies
seek being altered at the last moment to meaningfully mean something else. The House will be able to vote to accept or reject the Brexit deal, but not to set a date for a deal or to take charge of the negotiations or to prevent a “no deal” option being available.
The Grievous Dominicans are also angry because such a parliamentary vote would not enable those trying to stop Brexit – a category which does not, I repeat on St Dominic’s behalf, include the great man himself – to start that Gina Miller business all over again. They cannot take the British Government to court, thus passing the future of our country into the hands of the pro-Remain Lady Hale of Richmond, President of the Supreme Court, and her fellow judges. Only just in time, Mrs May has prevented a gigantic, lawyer-led filibuster from taking over the process.
"I think of of all the referendums in other European countries – Denmark, Ireland, the Netherlands – in which the voters have thrown out Brussels acts or proposals only to be forced to vote again to give the “right” result."
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insistence by hardline Remainers on what is called a “meaningful vote” makes me laugh – though perhaps I should cry. Just as the phrase “affordable housing” is a constant reminder that most housing is unaffordable, so “meaningful vote” calls to mind the fact that so many votes are meaningless.
I think, for example, of countless votes in Parliament over the years, when MPs protested vainly against measures from Brussels which, under the European treaties, they had no power to refuse or even amend. I think, too, of all the referendums in other European countries – Denmark, Ireland, the Netherlands – in which the voters have thrown out Brussels acts or proposals only to be forced to vote again to give the “right” result.
When we had our own referendum two years ago next week, the idea, clearly stated by those who framed the legislation, was that this would be the meaningful vote. If we voted Leave, we would Leave. We did vote Leave – the biggest vote for one thing in our history – yet some of those who voted Remain are still trying to drain our vote of meaning.
Obviously the referendum result was upsetting for Remainers. Some protested, understandably, that their feelings should not be forgotten in the ensuing process. But that, too, was dealt with in a meaningful vote: in 2017, we had a general election. Unreconciled Remainers had the chance to vote Liberal Democrat, but only just over two million did so. Nearly 24 million people voted either Conservative or Labour. Both parties were committed to implementing Brexit. Thus the election re-authorised Brexit, adding many Remain votes to existing Leave ones.
Parliament voted too. It voted to trigger Article 50 (494 votes in favour). It voted by 322 to 101 to reject an amendment keeping us in the single market and the Customs Union. It voted for the Second Reading of the Withdrawal Bill and, last week, to stop a series of amendments designed to wreck that Bill. That’s quite a lot of meaningful votes already. Why these extra, special, flagellatory ones with Grievous Dominican knobs on.
These unyielding Remainers now assert that all they care about is parliamentary sovereignty. It is a concept with which, over the years of Brussels rule, they have grown rusty. They seem to think it means that MPs should be the Government, and therefore conduct the negotiations. It doesn’t, and it never has. Any government emerges from Parliament and cannot survive a day without its confidence, but Parliament should not – cannot – run the country.
If Parliament could tell the Government exactly what to negotiate, it might pass “meaningful” votes to its heart’s content, but Britain’s power to negotiate would collapse. The Commons might as well email its decisions direct to M Barnier, who would then ignore them. Parliament already has negotiators on its behalf: they are called “The Government”.
It is impossible for the Government to implement a Brexit deal without Parliament. If Parliament does not want it, it will vote it down, causing the Government to fall. No parliamentary vote can get more meaningful than that. Everything else is just a spanner in the works. More and more non-sectarian Remainers, I notice, can see this, and are getting fed up with the fanaticism of the Grievous Dominicans.
I am not sorry, though, that the phrase “meaningful vote” now bulks so large. It is at the heart of the whole, long argument about our membership of the EU. Over centuries, Britain achieved a parliamentary system based on the idea that people’s votes, and the votes of the people they voted for, were meaningful. Then it gave half of this away to Europe. By voting Leave, we insisted that our votes must recover their meaning. If that vote is now rendered meaningless, we shall lose faith in voting itself. Then there will be Hell to pay.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...ts-forget-democracy-britain-meaningful-votes/
ROD LIDDLE The Labour Party’s shameless ‘Wrexit’ monkeys care nothing for the voters they represent
Corbyn's selfish remainers are determined to stop us leaving the EU at all costs - even though 70 per cent of Labour-held constituencies voted for Brexit
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By Rod Liddle
13th June 2018
YOU’VE got to hand it to the Wrexit monkeys in the Labour Party. The MPs determined to stop us leaving the EU at all costs.
They are nothing if not shameless. Oh and selfish. And puffed up with self-importance. And they care not one jot about the voters. THEIR voters.
At the last General Election, Jeremy Corbyn vowed the Labour Party would respect the Brexit decision
Back in 2016 the country voted by a healthy margin — more than one million votes — for Brexit.
The Establishment didn’t like it, of course. But it was a fair vote with a clear result.
Sure, they’ve done everything they can since then to stop it happening, with fatuous court cases and the like. The Establishment has tried every trick in the book to derail proceedings.
But that’s what the Establishment is like. It cannot abide the views of ordinary people. And it could not believe it when we voted to Leave.
Politicians on both sides of the House must now support the wishes of the people
I thought the Labour Party MPs might be a little bit different, seeing as they are supposed to represent the working class. Oops, big mistake.
At least, back in 2016, the Labour Party under Jeremy Corbyn said it would respect the wishes of the people.
And the wish of the people, clearly enough, was to leave the European Union.
Not leave a bit of the European Union. Not stay in the European Union in all but name. Not to leave the EU but still be subjected to its stifling bureaucracy and absurd strictures. They voted to LEAVE — end of.
Although 66 per cent of her Redcar constituents voted for Brexit, Anna Turley will vote for anything that will bring it down
The Labour Party campaigned at the last General Election vowing to respect that decision. Now, that showed at least a little bit of principle.
But then there was also self-interest at work. Because — and here’s the point — 70 per cent of constituencies held by Labour MPs voted for Brexit. An overwhelming majority.
The Labour Party was set up to campaign for and represent the working class.
The working class voted by a huge margin to leave the EU. Labour voters wanted to leave, by a large margin.
The Conservative Government was unable to subsidise the ailing Corus plant in Redcar because of EU rules
But what the voters think cuts no ice with the Labour weasels who are determined to scupper Brexit. The Wrexiteers.
Take the case of Anna Turley, the gobby MP who represents Redcar. I live five miles down the road from Redcar, in the adjoining constituency of Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland.
The people of Redcar voted to leave the EU by the massive majority of 66 per cent to 34 per cent. Turley couldn’t care less.
She is committed to voting for anything that will bring down Brexit, against the wishes of her constituents.
Ed Miliband hates Brexit, even though more than 70 per cent of his Doncaster North constituents voted for it
She says she will vote in the best interests of her constituents. What she means is that she knows best and her constituents are pig-ignorant. Redcar voters have good reason to mistrust Labour.
It was under a Labour government that the local steelworks first closed down. Labour did nothing whatsoever to help.
When the Corus steelworks closed for good it was because the now Conservative Government was unable to subsidise the plant because of European Union rules.
So people in Redcar had more than the usual reasons for voting heavily to leave the EU. But Turley doesn’t care.
In the West Bromwich East constituency of Labour's deputy leader Tom Watson, people voted emphatically to leave the EU
If the local party had a decent pair of balls it would deselect the woman. But don’t hold your breath.
And there are more who defied their constituents.
Former Labour leader Ed Miliband hates Brexit, despite his Doncaster North constituency voting to leave at 71.7 per cent.
Arch-Europhile Pat McFadden represents one of the most pro-Brexit constituencies in the country — Wolverhampton South East — where 68 per cent voted to leave.
MP Mary Creagh is an ardent Remainer but 62 per cent of her Wakefield constituents backed Leave.
She said she could no more vote against EU membership than she could vote against her “own DNA”.
More than half of residents in Madeleine Moon’s constituency of Bridgend voted to leave the EU — but she still voted against triggering Article 50, with some voters saying she had “betrayed” them.
And Chris Bryant voted against his own constituency of Rhondda, a former coal mining valley, when he went against the Brexit bill.
Other senior Labour figures who have tried to frustrate Brexit despite constituents voting to leave include Dagenham MP Jon Cruddas and even the party’s deputy leader Tom Watson.
He is MP for West Bromwich East, in the West Midlands, which voted emphatically for Brexit.
It’s one of the most Eurosceptic places in the country and there were cheers of joy in 2016 when the returning officer announced 67 per cent of voters had chosen to leave.
The turnout was such that two thirds of people in Sandwell demanded their say.
Yet arrogant Watson is content to ignore their fervour from on high.
Labour is moving further and further away from the people it was set up to represent. The latest opinion polls showed the Conservative Party has more working-class supporters than Labour — an astonishing statistic.
Labour has become the party of affluent, middle-class liberal Londoners who adore the EU and think immigration is bloody marvellous.
On both of these key issues they are massively out of step with their voter base.
But the Labour Wrexiteers couldn’t care less. Treacherous to the end.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/opini...s-care-nothing-for-the-voters-they-represent/
