Nationalization; Take a load off Fanny

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America's Mortgage Crisis: Bailout or "Nationalization" of the Mortgage Giants?

By Ellen Brown

Global Research, September 5, 2008
www.webofdebt.com
“Take a load off Fanny, take a load for free;
“Take a load off Fanny, and (and) (and)
“You put the load right on me.”

– The Band, “The Weight,” 1968





There are other aspects of Paulson’s bailout plan that could be giving policymakers Maalox moments. As noted in a July 17 Economist article:
“[N]ationalisation . . . would bring the whole of Fannie’s and Freddie’s debt onto the federal government’s balance sheet. In terms of book-keeping this would almost double the public debt, but that is rather misleading. It would hardly be like issuing $5.2 trillion of new Treasury bonds, because Fannie’s and Freddie’s debt is backed by real assets. Nevertheless, the fear [is] that the taxpayer may have to absorb the GSEs’ debt . . . . That suggests yet another irony; the debt of the GSEs has been trading as if it were guaranteed by the American government, but the debt of the government was not trading as if Uncle Sam had guaranteed that of the GSEs.”2
The U.S. federal debt is already up to nearly $10 trillion, putting its own triple-A credit rating in jeopardy. If the U.S. assumes the GSEs’ weighty liability as well, the country could lose its own triple-A rating, causing foreign lenders to withdraw their massive infusion of funds.3 But if the U.S. does not back the GSEs’ debt, the result could be the same. China’s $376 billion of long-term U.S. agency debt is mostly in Fannie and Freddie assets. Yu Yonding, a former adviser to China’s central bank, warned on August 21:
The Endgame Nears
It sounds pretty grim, but let’s think about that. Would the end of the current financial system really be so bad? The international financial system is now controlled by a network of private central banks that print national currencies and trade them with sovereign governments for government bonds (or debt). The bonds then become the basis for creating many times their value in loans by commercial banks. At a 10% reserve requirement, banks are allowed to fan $1 worth of reserves into $10 in loans, effectively delivering the power to create money into private hands. The price exacted by this private money-creating machine is compound interest perpetually drawn off the top, in a Ponzi scheme that has now reached its mathematical limits. The chief role of Fannie and Freddie has been to keep the Ponzi scheme alive by adding “liquidity” to markets, something they do by buying mortgages and bundling them together as securities that are then sold to investors. Old loans are moved off the banks’ books, making room for new loans, further expanding the money supply and driving up home prices. As economist Michael Hudson noted in Counterpunch in July:
“Altruistic political talk aside, the reason why the finance, insurance and real estate (FIRE) sectors have lobbied so hard for Fannie and Freddie is that their financial function has been to make housing increasingly unaffordable. They have inflated asset prices with credit that has indebted homeowners to a degree unprecedented in history. This is why the real estate bubble has burst, after all. Yet Congress now acts as if the only way to resolve the debt problem is to create yet more debt, to inflate real estate prices all the more by arranging yet more credit to bid up the prices that homebuyers must pay.
“. . . The economy has reached its debt limit and is entering its insolvency phase. We are not in a cycle but the end of an era. The old world of debt pyramiding to a fraudulent degree cannot be restored . . . . The class war is back in business, with a vengeance. Instead of it being the familiar old class war between industrial employers and their work force, this one reverts to the old pre-industrial class war of creditors versus debtors. Its guiding principle is ‘Big Fish Eat Little Fish,’ mainly by the debt dynamic that crowds out the promised economy of free choice.

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darkbeaver

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I find it totally bizarre the Americans are putting up with this.

Bizarre certainly but what's even more apparent is thier total lack of avenue, there is no recourse for them but the revolution they are being herded toward. That is the fact. The revolution will be orchestrated by the bankers, as usual. The outcome of course will be a continental programme of camping and community work projects while they bring stability to the situation with a good weeding out of the malcontents whov'e no doubt caused this economic disaster with thier nonconformist buying habits.
They'll be asleep when the cattle trucks come with no greater worries than christmas shopping for jesus boy.
 

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Bizarre certainly but what's even more apparent is thier total lack of avenue, there is no recourse for them but the revolution they are being herded toward. That is the fact. The revolution will be orchestrated by the bankers, as usual. The outcome of course will be a continental programme of camping and community work projects while they bring stability to the situation with a good weeding out of the malcontents whov'e no doubt caused this economic disaster with thier nonconformist buying habits.
They'll be asleep when the cattle trucks come with no greater worries than christmas shopping for jesus boy.

I have my doubts about that. Generally when membership to a republic/empire/whatever is no longer beneficial states start falling away and becoming independent. We have a recent example with the fall and break up of the USSR. I expect that will be the path the USA will follow. It might take longer simply because the US has a wider foundation, i.e. tributary states (like Canada). Texas, Hawaii and Alaska will probably be the first to go IMO since they have the strongest identities outside of the republic.
 

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I have my doubts about that. Generally when membership to a republic/empire/whatever is no longer beneficial states start falling away and becoming independent. We have a recent example with the fall and break up of the USSR. I expect that will be the path the USA will follow. It might take longer simply because the US has a wider foundation, i.e. tributary states (like Canada). Texas, Hawaii and Alaska will probably be the first to go IMO since they have the strongest identities outside of the republic.

Certainly what you say is correct and that has been anticipated by the SPP and NAU legislation and the contingencys and legislation have been ennacted and put in place over the last decade even at the community level, special imergency powers have been given to corporate heads all accross N America. The best revolutions are those set up and executed by a well oiled machine, and that machine has carried out revolution after revolution sucessfully
, communications, finance, marketing, legislative and military. Money is a revolutionary tool.
The USSR disolved itself very intelligently I don't think the infrastructure for success of that nature is possible in the USA. Those private militias and the private mercenary industry coupled with the wide spread gun ownership and the overall level of ignorance and poverty arethe frightening ingreadients of slaughter. So I'm pretty sure the orchestration is very advanced and of a very high technicle level cuz this vehicle has no reverse same as the the war of terror it must proceed along a very narrow path and there certainly hasn't been any room to turn arround post 9/11, the bandmasters know the outcome should they halt the advance to FSD. They have committed thier skins literally, they either succeed or thier hides will be peeled from thier bones and they know that as well.
So the private sector has just hiested the lives and freedom of American youth for the next hundred years, they just got thier shiney new chains, many will die dragging them back and forth in service of the American dream, it's a pity, but they won't shut the ****ing TVs off so what's a body to do?
 

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I think your certainly right. The USA has technically gone through a few revolutions in it's history, that is, periods where the destiny of the country has been hijacked without the publics consent (or with manufactured consent).
 

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The USA was the largest socialist country in the world even before this bailout. They have more public money invested in infrastructure and going to corporate welfare than any other nation on earth. I marvel at how the political elite have managed to keep universal health care off the table for so many years despite 80%+ of the population wanting it. It is a real demonstration that a republic isn't the same thing as a democracy.
 

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Okay, (please don't crap all over me) can you guys help me understand this? I know that it's serious. But I just can't totally wrap my head around it. The article above is really good at explaining it but it's only the tip of the iceberg. Who's involved? What can we as Canadians expect from this?

Nationalization = the North American Union, right? So, this is something they say they are going to force on us? Now I understand why Harper has called an election.

I don't understand how the economy is related to the military or vice versa - except that war is expensive but how does that translate into people loosing their homes? How do the banks co-relate to the military or war?
 

darkbeaver

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Okay, (please don't crap all over me) can you guys help me understand this? I know that it's serious. But I just can't totally wrap my head around it. The article above is really good at explaining it but it's only the tip of the iceberg. Who's involved? What can we as Canadians expect from this?

Nationalization = the North American Union, right? So, this is something they say they are going to force on us? Now I understand why Harper has called an election.

I don't understand how the economy is related to the military or vice versa - except that war is expensive but how does that translate into people loosing their homes? How do the banks co-relate to the military or war?

I was reading an article earlier this evening which explained the military connection. I'll remember to post a link here when I remember where it is. Basically a very important part of the American success story is conected diirectly to it's military and the developement of new markets.
 

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Michael Hudson in July:
“Altruistic political talk aside, the reason why the finance, insurance and real estate (FIRE) sectors have lobbied so hard for Fannie and Freddie is that their financial function has been to make housing increasingly unaffordable. They have inflated asset prices with credit that has indebted homeowners to a degree unprecedented in history."

'They have inflated asset prices with credit ...' how do they do that? How do you inflate asset prices with credit?
 

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Michael Hudson in July:
“Altruistic political talk aside, the reason why the finance, insurance and real estate (FIRE) sectors have lobbied so hard for Fannie and Freddie is that their financial function has been to make housing increasingly unaffordable. They have inflated asset prices with credit that has indebted homeowners to a degree unprecedented in history."

'They have inflated asset prices with credit ...' how do they do that? How do you inflate asset prices with credit?

You appraise the hundred thousand dollar house at a hundred and fifty thousand so you qualify for the hundred and twenty-five thousand dollar mortgage you need to buy. Thus, when it all falls down and goes boom, you can't refinance because you don't have the assets to cover it.

In Canada, it's called Mortgage fraud and crooked lawyers who do it get disbarred, Right Mr Handlemann?
 

darkbeaver

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Michael Hudson in July:
“Altruistic political talk aside, the reason why the finance, insurance and real estate (FIRE) sectors have lobbied so hard for Fannie and Freddie is that their financial function has been to make housing increasingly unaffordable. They have inflated asset prices with credit that has indebted homeowners to a degree unprecedented in history."

'They have inflated asset prices with credit ...' how do they do that? How do you inflate asset prices with credit?
You bundle and sell the debt I think and then issue more credit on top of that also in the form of debt. The credit has begun to dry up quickly, this is tied to investor confidence which is plummeting.
 

darkbeaver

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“Modern Debt Peonage”?
Economic Democracy Is Turning Into a Financial Oligarchy
An interview with Michael Hudson, former Wall Street economist specializing in the balance of payments and real estate at the Chase Manhattan Bank (now JP Morgan Chase & Co.), Arthur Anderson, and later at the Hudson Institute (no relation).
By Mike Whitney
0/09 "ICH" -- -" -- - On Friday afternoon the government announced plans to place the two mortgage giants, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, under “conservatorship.” Shareholders will be virtually wiped out (their stock already had plunged by over 90 per cent) but the US Treasury will step in to protect the companies’ debt. To some extent it also will protect their preferred shares, which Morgan-Chase have marked down only by half.
This seems to be the most sweeping government intervention into the financial markets in American history. If these two companies are nationalized, it will add $5.3 trillion dollars to the nation's balance sheet. So my first question is, why is the Treasury bailing out bondholders and other investors in their mortgage IOUs? What is the public interest in all this?
Hudson: The Treasury emphasized that it was under a Sunday afternoon deadline to finalize the takeover details before the Asian markets opened for trading. This concern reflects the balance-of-payments and hence military dimension to the bailout. The central banks of China, Japan and Korea are major holders of these securities, precisely because of the large size of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac – their $5.3 trillion in mortgage-backed debt that you mention, and the $11 trillion overall U.S. mortgage market.
When you look at the balance sheet of U.S. assets available for foreign central banks to buy with the $2.5 to $3.5 trillion of surplus dollars they hold, real estate is the only asset category large enough to absorb the balance-of-payments outflows that U.S. military spending, foreign trade and investment-capital flight are throwing off. When the U.S. military spends money abroad to fight the New Cold War, these dollars are recycled increasingly into U.S. mortgage-backed securities, because there is no other market large enough to absorb the sums involved. Remember, we do not permit foreigners – especially Asians – to buy high-tech, “national security” or key infrastructure. The government would prefer to see them buy harmless real estate trophies such as Rockefeller Center, or minority shares in banks with negative equity such as Citibank shares sold to the Saudis and Bahrainis.
But there is a limit on how nakedly the U.S. Government can exploit foreign central banks. It does need to keep dollar recycling going, in order to prevent a sharp dollar depreciation. The Treasury therefore has given informal assurances to foreign governments that they will guarantee at least the dollar value of the money their central banks are recycling. (These governments still will lose as the dollar plunges against hard currencies – just about every currency except the dollar these days.) A failure to provide investment guarantees to foreigners would thwart the continuation of U.S. overseas military spending! And once foreigners are bailed out, the Treasury has to bail out domestic American investors as well, simply for political reasons.
//http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20709.htm
 

givpeaceachance

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This is so complicated!

But that Modern Debt Peonage article does help a bit.

Why don't they just end the stupid wars?
 

givpeaceachance

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Lone Wolf - You appraise the hundred thousand dollar house at a hundred and fifty thousand so you qualify for the hundred and twenty-five thousand dollar mortgage you need to buy. Thus, when it all falls down and goes boom, you can't refinance because you don't have the assets to cover it.

So is that what's happening to the people in he U.S right now?
 

givpeaceachance

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But seriously. Why don't they stop? Isn't this war what is putting them in debt? Who's making money?
 

darkbeaver

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But seriously. Why don't they stop? Isn't this war what is putting them in debt? Who's making money?

All the people who invest in weapons manufacture. The war by itself is not the main problem it's the concentration of wealth in the upper five percent or so. Industry has been shipped to the orient, low paying jobs cannot sustain the american consumer and the blood sucking bankers at the same time, the capitalists have **** in thier own nest, like the filthy bloodsucking imbeciles they are. About 8% of Americans own 85% of America. Somewhere arround there the figures vary but they're always indicating opulence unheard of on this planet till now.