Mountie resigns from Trudeau......speaks out.
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It is a big spectrum , pretty much all working people with the possible exception of menial underpaid labor , on the economic scale .
Again on the social scale you have right left and center . I would think most Canadians do not financially support any particular party other then through union dues and proffesional organizations etc. but might be a lifelong voter for one party . That voter is right or left depending on the party . Most Canadians pay little attention to politics voting for whoever captures their fancy during the final stretches of an election campaign . They can vote any way or not vote at all . I consider them the middle , and they are the largest number of eligible voters .
OK, so the short version is:
-Anyone but the abject poor, that work
-Who does not donate to a political party
-Who’s vote can potentially swing depending on what bait is placed out at any given election
That is a big spectrum! Kudos for trying to define the middle because I have no idea where I would even start. I assumed it would be a range of income between A & B, but then that would obligate the government to doing something about the people that didn’t fit between A & B.
There is somewhat close , but there are volumes that have been written and I have studied none of them . I am sure what I posted can be elaborated much can be added and probably contradicted . I left out the rich because they are in a league of their own . And the abject poor is a fluid concept . One minimum wage worker lives with her doctor husband but wants to get out of the house , another with no or minimal English skills trying to feed a family of 5 .
And further what I have seen on videos from various protests and in person out here , the participants seem to be the middle . I have seen no political parties signs and other than Fuck Trudeau flags most are carrying signs to end the mandates and the Canadian flag . To label what is going on at the Pacific border as far right or left is false .
The motion passed with support from the Liberal and NDP while Conservatives and Bloc Quebecois MPs voted against it.
House of Commons votes to approve use of Emergencies Act — CityNews Toronto
The House of Commons has voted to approve the use of the Emergencies Act against the Ottawa convoy protests with a vote of 185-151. It will now move up to the Senate.
“Now is the time to work together,” Trudeau said. “It’s also the time to reflect on the kind of future we want for our country.”
What? Now is the time (?) & not 3-4 weeks ago? That’s pretty….twisted.
Trudeau also encouraged Canadians to engage in more civil discourse during his remarks on Monday. over political disagreements during his Monday remarks. He says it is time to start mending the rifts across the country after a month of protests.
Singh said early Monday the act was needed because all three levels of government had failed to take the threat posed by the convoy seriously until it was too late.
“Our support from the beginning has always been reluctant,” he said. “We were reluctant because it should have never got to this point.”
Bloc Québécois Leader Yves-François Blanchet says his part will vote against the Emergencies Act, which he described as a “terrible law.”
He told reporters law enforcement already had all the powers they needed and Trudeau let the situation get out of hand by not acting earlier.
Many Conservative MPs had argued the federal government have overstepped their bounds by invoking the temporary measures. In the last two house sittings, interim Conservative leader Candice Bergen has vocally express her disdain for the measures.
“We didn’t want use the Emergencies Act,” said Trudeau. “It is never something to turn to without serious consideration.”
The Canadian Civil Liberties Association agreed the government had not met the threshold to invoke the act and is seeking judicial review.
The emergency measures, which Prime Minister Justin Trudeau gave law enforcement the tools they needed to successfully clear the demonstrations that have occupied the nation’s capital and international border crossings across the country, will now stay in effect for 30 days.
The Emergencies Act became law in 1988, replacing the War Measures Act used by the other Trudeau during the October crisis.
And now his decision to not only invoke the Emergencies Act (which most minds — those not cowardly beholden to Trudeau — agree was not necessary to get the job done in Ottawa), but to keep it in force for an undetermined period (to “hunt down” some Canadians to charge them with mischief?), has shown precisely how inappropriate Trudeau really is for this high office.
LEDREW: Trudeau has brought Canadians to the tipping point — Toronto Sun
The Canada that Canadians now view every day is not the sensible, reasonable, and generous society that Canadians of all stripes have built up over many generations. It has become polarized, nasty and barely recognizable. Just listen to people talking in stores, on the street, and in meeting...
Invoking the Emergencies Act to deal with the so-called “Freedom Convoy” is a bridge too far, or at least a bridge too late. The only element of the protest that may have been a national emergency was the blockade in Windsor, Ont., of the Ambassador Bridge, our largest border crossing and economic link to the United States.
But police reopened that bridge without the federal Emergencies Act on Sunday night. Invoking the Act on Monday created the appearance of decisive action from the Prime Minister without addressing any remaining emergency.
WEIR: Here's why the Emergencies Act shouldn't have been brought in — Toronto Sun
Invoking the Emergencies Act to deal with the so-called “Freedom Convoy” is a bridge too far, or at least a bridge too late. The only element of the protest that may have been a national emergency was the blockade in Windsor, Ont., of the Ambassador Bridge, our largest border crossing and...
Canada’s progressive parties just granted the federal government unprecedented powers to target bank accounts and limit Charter rights. They have set the precedent of invoking such powers for political reasons and now they can’t complain if a future government does the same.
LILLEY: Trudeau plays politics on vote for Emergencies Act — Toronto Sun
The result wasn’t really in doubt: 185 MPs voted in favour of extending the powers the government granted themselves a week ago with the Emergencies Act, 151 voted against. In essence, this was the Liberals, NDP and Greens on one side with the Conservatives and Bloc Quebecois on the other...
The result wasn’t really in doubt: 185 MPs voted in favour of extending the powers the government granted themselves a week ago with the Emergencies Act, 151 voted against. In essence, this was the Liberals, NDP and Greens on one side with the Conservatives and Bloc Quebecois on the other.
Trudeau struggled on Monday to defend his use of the Emergencies Act when asked to do so by the media and by Conservative Leader Candice Bergen.
The government's use of the Emergencies Act received an uneasy response from premiers throughout, with some like Ontario Premier Doug Ford speaking out in support, while others were opposed.
In a separate interview airing Sunday, B.C. Premier John Horgan said while many premiers agreed the situation was serious, they were concerned with federal overreach.
Premier Jason Kenney in neighbouring Alberta took a much harder line, saying on Saturday his government would challenge the use of the act and potentially join as an intervener in a separate case being launched by the Canadian Civil Liberties Association.
Scott Moe is right in line with Kenney & Horgan. At least Trudeau has managed to unite the three most Western provinces.
Party lines drawn ahead of key Emergencies Act vote on Monday — CBC News
MPs continued to debate the government's decision to invoke the Emergencies Act, ahead of a vote on whether to ratify the action scheduled for Monday night.
Just as Ottawa police, dressed in riot gear, began clearing Freedom Convoy protestors from three temporary locations in the capital on Friday, news emerged from a pipeline construction site in the B.C. interior of an attack by anti-pipeline protestors on Thursday.
A group of around 20 masked protestors, armed with axes, committed millions of dollars in damage to construction equipment, as well as threatened security guards in the middle of the night.
GUNTER: The Liberals' biased, subjective, politicized response to two different protests — Toronto Sun
Just as Ottawa police, dressed in riot gear, began clearing Freedom Convoy protestors from three temporary locations in the capital on Friday, news emerged from a pipeline construction site in the B.C. interior of an attack by anti-pipeline protestors on Thursday. A group of around 20 masked...
Yet our prime minister labels the protest in Ottawa the violent one, the one that must be quelled by invoking the Emergencies Act for the first time since it was passed in 1988??
The Freedom Convoy, which featured bouncy castles, barbecues and free Indian food for Sikh drivers, is the one the Liberal government claims is a threat to peace, order, good government and national security.
Justice Minister David Lametti has hinted on CTV that the feds are considering using names, provided by a hacker, of donors to the convoy to have financial institutions freeze their accounts, too.
Isn’t the hacking of personal info a Cybercrime? Does this pass the smell-test? Just wait until Bill C-11 is passed into law with the support of the NDP & Green Parties.
Ottawa, apparently, even investigated the possibility of having the Ontario government’s Children’s Aid Society seize the children of convoy participants.
British Columbia’s Public Safety Minister, Mike Farnworth, issued a statement condemning the “egregious criminal activity” at the B.C. pipeline camp this week. And federal Natural Resources Minister Jonathan Wilkinson and Public Safety Minister Marco Mendicino offered similar (yet milder) rebukes.
But there was nothing from the Liberals like the smear tactics (and police tactics) unleashed against the convoy truckers, who had at times been unruly, but not violent.
When a government uses a nuclear bomb to dislodge a largely peaceful (although annoying and obstructive) protest, while seemingly ignoring or even sloughing off a truly violent one by radicals it largely agrees with, then ordinary citizens begin to believe there are two sets of laws – one for friends of the government and a harsher set every everyone else.
Don’t expect any justice from the NDP, though. Party leader Jagmeet Singh has said his party will support the Liberals’ use of the Emergencies Act, but only if “Indigenous land defenders, climate change activists, workers fighting for fairness, and any Canadian using their voice to peacefully demand justice” are exempted from its provisions.
There’s the bias that undermines the law and institutions. The extraordinary powers the act gives the government since Prime Minister Justin Trudeau invoked it last Monday, will now be in effect for up to 30 days until mid-March, when it will expire, unless Parliament further extends it.
GOLDSTEIN: Trudeau doubles down on taking away our rights — Toronto Sun
Where is the imminent, national security threat to Canada that merits the continued application of the Emergencies Act, approved Monday night by the Trudeau government with the “reluctant” support of NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh, while the Conservatives and Bloc Quebecois were opposed? The...
Contrary to claims by the Trudeau government, the CCLA said, “the emergency orders that are currently in effect are not targeted. They are not limited to specific protests, or specific geographic locations. They are expansive emergency orders that … apply across the entire country. The orders are also broad in scope. They place unprecedented limits on peaceful assembly.
“They require financial institutions to turn over personal financial information to CSIS and the RCMP, and to freeze the bank accounts and cut off financial services provided to anyone who has attended, or who has provided assistance to those participating in a prohibited assembly –- all without judicial oversight.
“The federal government does not control how and when these laws are used.
“These legal powers have been placed in the hands of police officers across the country.
“As with all broad grants of power, the risk of abuse is significant … its use at this point in time clearly cannot be justified.
Trudeau: Canada blockades lifted, but 'emergency is not over' — AFP News
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on Monday defended his use of emergency powers to end weeks-long trucker-led protests and argued that lingering threats require the measures to remain in force for now.
The New Democrats sided with the Liberals in passing the motion, while the Conservatives and the Bloc Quebecois opposed it. The Greens are a Party that technically exist. The Senate must also vote on the government’s request.
Well, sounds like True Dope and Streetmeat are admitting they screwed the pooch.
I'm not sure "We're total fuckups, so we deserve more power" is a proposition I could get behind, but I say again, I got no say in how Canadians run their country.
I'm not sure "We're total fuckups, so we deserve more power" is a proposition I could get behind, but I say again, I got no say in how Canadians run their country.
Outside of a few select area codes, much of Canada has no say in how Canadians run their country, & yes Ottawa and Toronto and Montreal democratically vote their one vote/person.
Troops were suggested, intelligence indicated foreign funding, weapons and ammunition were seized, if you knew what we knew — wink, wink, nudge, nudge — that’s why Prime Minister Justin Trudeau invoked the Emergencies Act, a legislative club.
Ian Mulgrew: Trudeau fails to explain why Emergencies Act was needed. It wasn't — Vancouver Sun
Opinion: Liberals use of legislative club approved as NDP helps pass motion required to confirm triggering of emergency legislation
The debate, required under the act to confirm its use, began Thursday and wrapped up late Monday with heartfelt pleas to trust the government.
Well, I see four options for Real Canadians. . .
1. Persuade some of the Ontaribec people that your way is better.
2. Establish a one person/more than one vote (depending on how you vote) "democracy" somehow.
3. Declare the secession of Westernesse and see if y'all can get the Confederacy to join in.
4. Fuck a lot and increase your numbers.
1. Persuade some of the Ontaribec people that your way is better.
2. Establish a one person/more than one vote (depending on how you vote) "democracy" somehow.
3. Declare the secession of Westernesse and see if y'all can get the Confederacy to join in.
4. Fuck a lot and increase your numbers.
The motion passed with support from the Liberal and NDP while Conservatives and Bloc Quebecois MPs voted against it.
House of Commons votes to approve use of Emergencies Act — CityNews Toronto
The House of Commons has voted to approve the use of the Emergencies Act against the Ottawa convoy protests with a vote of 185-151. It will now move up to the Senate.apple.news
“Now is the time to work together,” Trudeau said. “It’s also the time to reflect on the kind of future we want for our country.”
What? Now is the time (?) & not 3-4 weeks ago? That’s pretty….twisted.
Trudeau also encouraged Canadians to engage in more civil discourse during his remarks on Monday. over political disagreements during his Monday remarks. He says it is time to start mending the rifts across the country after a month of protests.
Singh said early Monday the act was needed because all three levels of government had failed to take the threat posed by the convoy seriously until it was too late.
“Our support from the beginning has always been reluctant,” he said. “We were reluctant because it should have never got to this point.”
Bloc Québécois Leader Yves-François Blanchet says his part will vote against the Emergencies Act, which he described as a “terrible law.”
He told reporters law enforcement already had all the powers they needed and Trudeau let the situation get out of hand by not acting earlier.
Many Conservative MPs had argued the federal government have overstepped their bounds by invoking the temporary measures. In the last two house sittings, interim Conservative leader Candice Bergen has vocally express her disdain for the measures.
“We didn’t want use the Emergencies Act,” said Trudeau. “It is never something to turn to without serious consideration.”
The Canadian Civil Liberties Association agreed the government had not met the threshold to invoke the act and is seeking judicial review.
The emergency measures, which Prime Minister Justin Trudeau gave law enforcement the tools they needed to successfully clear the demonstrations that have occupied the nation’s capital and international border crossings across the country, will now stay in effect for 30 days.
The Emergencies Act became law in 1988, replacing the War Measures Act used by the other Trudeau during the October crisis.
And now his decision to not only invoke the Emergencies Act (which most minds — those not cowardly beholden to Trudeau — agree was not necessary to get the job done in Ottawa), but to keep it in force for an undetermined period (to “hunt down” some Canadians to charge them with mischief?), has shown precisely how inappropriate Trudeau really is for this high office.
LEDREW: Trudeau has brought Canadians to the tipping point — Toronto Sun
The Canada that Canadians now view every day is not the sensible, reasonable, and generous society that Canadians of all stripes have built up over many generations. It has become polarized, nasty and barely recognizable. Just listen to people talking in stores, on the street, and in meeting...
Invoking the Emergencies Act to deal with the so-called “Freedom Convoy” is a bridge too far, or at least a bridge too late. The only element of the protest that may have been a national emergency was the blockade in Windsor, Ont., of the Ambassador Bridge, our largest border crossing and economic link to the United States.
But police reopened that bridge without the federal Emergencies Act on Sunday night. Invoking the Act on Monday created the appearance of decisive action from the Prime Minister without addressing any remaining emergency.
WEIR: Here's why the Emergencies Act shouldn't have been brought in — Toronto Sun
Invoking the Emergencies Act to deal with the so-called “Freedom Convoy” is a bridge too far, or at least a bridge too late. The only element of the protest that may have been a national emergency was the blockade in Windsor, Ont., of the Ambassador Bridge, our largest border crossing and...
Canada’s progressive parties just granted the federal government unprecedented powers to target bank accounts and limit Charter rights. They have set the precedent of invoking such powers for political reasons and now they can’t complain if a future government does the same.
LILLEY: Trudeau plays politics on vote for Emergencies Act — Toronto Sun
The result wasn’t really in doubt: 185 MPs voted in favour of extending the powers the government granted themselves a week ago with the Emergencies Act, 151 voted against. In essence, this was the Liberals, NDP and Greens on one side with the Conservatives and Bloc Quebecois on the other...
The result wasn’t really in doubt: 185 MPs voted in favour of extending the powers the government granted themselves a week ago with the Emergencies Act, 151 voted against. In essence, this was the Liberals, NDP and Greens on one side with the Conservatives and Bloc Quebecois on the other.
Trudeau struggled on Monday to defend his use of the Emergencies Act when asked to do so by the media and by Conservative Leader Candice Bergen.
The government's use of the Emergencies Act received an uneasy response from premiers throughout, with some like Ontario Premier Doug Ford speaking out in support, while others were opposed.
In a separate interview airing Sunday, B.C. Premier John Horgan said while many premiers agreed the situation was serious, they were concerned with federal overreach.
Premier Jason Kenney in neighbouring Alberta took a much harder line, saying on Saturday his government would challenge the use of the act and potentially join as an intervener in a separate case being launched by the Canadian Civil Liberties Association.
Scott Moe is right in line with Kenney & Horgan. At least Trudeau has managed to unite the three most Western provinces.
Party lines drawn ahead of key Emergencies Act vote on Monday — CBC News
MPs continued to debate the government's decision to invoke the Emergencies Act, ahead of a vote on whether to ratify the action scheduled for Monday night.
Just as Ottawa police, dressed in riot gear, began clearing Freedom Convoy protestors from three temporary locations in the capital on Friday, news emerged from a pipeline construction site in the B.C. interior of an attack by anti-pipeline protestors on Thursday.
A group of around 20 masked protestors, armed with axes, committed millions of dollars in damage to construction equipment, as well as threatened security guards in the middle of the night.
GUNTER: The Liberals' biased, subjective, politicized response to two different protests — Toronto Sun
Just as Ottawa police, dressed in riot gear, began clearing Freedom Convoy protestors from three temporary locations in the capital on Friday, news emerged from a pipeline construction site in the B.C. interior of an attack by anti-pipeline protestors on Thursday. A group of around 20 masked...
Yet our prime minister labels the protest in Ottawa the violent one, the one that must be quelled by invoking the Emergencies Act for the first time since it was passed in 1988??
The Freedom Convoy, which featured bouncy castles, barbecues and free Indian food for Sikh drivers, is the one the Liberal government claims is a threat to peace, order, good government and national security.
Justice Minister David Lametti has hinted on CTV that the feds are considering using names, provided by a hacker, of donors to the convoy to have financial institutions freeze their accounts, too.
Isn’t the hacking of personal info a Cybercrime? Does this pass the smell-test? Just wait until Bill C-11 is passed into law with the support of the NDP & Green Parties.
Ottawa, apparently, even investigated the possibility of having the Ontario government’s Children’s Aid Society seize the children of convoy participants.
British Columbia’s Public Safety Minister, Mike Farnworth, issued a statement condemning the “egregious criminal activity” at the B.C. pipeline camp this week. And federal Natural Resources Minister Jonathan Wilkinson and Public Safety Minister Marco Mendicino offered similar (yet milder) rebukes.
But there was nothing from the Liberals like the smear tactics (and police tactics) unleashed against the convoy truckers, who had at times been unruly, but not violent.
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When a government uses a nuclear bomb to dislodge a largely peaceful (although annoying and obstructive) protest, while seemingly ignoring or even sloughing off a truly violent one by radicals it largely agrees with, then ordinary citizens begin to believe there are two sets of laws – one for friends of the government and a harsher set every everyone else.
Don’t expect any justice from the NDP, though. Party leader Jagmeet Singh has said his party will support the Liberals’ use of the Emergencies Act, but only if “Indigenous land defenders, climate change activists, workers fighting for fairness, and any Canadian using their voice to peacefully demand justice” are exempted from its provisions.
There’s the bias that undermines the law and institutions. The extraordinary powers the act gives the government since Prime Minister Justin Trudeau invoked it last Monday, will now be in effect for up to 30 days until mid-March, when it will expire, unless Parliament further extends it.
GOLDSTEIN: Trudeau doubles down on taking away our rights — Toronto Sun
Where is the imminent, national security threat to Canada that merits the continued application of the Emergencies Act, approved Monday night by the Trudeau government with the “reluctant” support of NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh, while the Conservatives and Bloc Quebecois were opposed? The...
Contrary to claims by the Trudeau government, the CCLA said, “the emergency orders that are currently in effect are not targeted. They are not limited to specific protests, or specific geographic locations. They are expansive emergency orders that … apply across the entire country. The orders are also broad in scope. They place unprecedented limits on peaceful assembly.
“They require financial institutions to turn over personal financial information to CSIS and the RCMP, and to freeze the bank accounts and cut off financial services provided to anyone who has attended, or who has provided assistance to those participating in a prohibited assembly –- all without judicial oversight.
“The federal government does not control how and when these laws are used.
“These legal powers have been placed in the hands of police officers across the country.
“As with all broad grants of power, the risk of abuse is significant … its use at this point in time clearly cannot be justified.
Trudeau: Canada blockades lifted, but 'emergency is not over' — AFP News
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on Monday defended his use of emergency powers to end weeks-long trucker-led protests and argued that lingering threats require the measures to remain in force for now.
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The New Democrats sided with the Liberals in passing the motion, while the Conservatives and the Bloc Quebecois opposed it. The Greens are a Party that technically exist. The Senate must also vote on the government’s request.
Something to add to your wonderful collection of articles on the Emergencies Act. Listen to the audio link provided. Wow. Just wow.
The Emergencies Act is far more dangerous than you think: Full Comment with Anthony Furey
The Emergencies Act invoked by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has never been used before — and for good reason. The law that replaced the War Measures Act is so powe…
Words of wisdom.......lol
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
@AOC
The whole point of protesting is to make ppl uncomfortable. Activists take that discomfort w/ the status quo & advocate for concrete policy changes. Popular support often starts small & grows. To folks who complain protest demands make others uncomfortable... that’s the point.
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
@AOC
The whole point of protesting is to make ppl uncomfortable. Activists take that discomfort w/ the status quo & advocate for concrete policy changes. Popular support often starts small & grows. To folks who complain protest demands make others uncomfortable... that’s the point.
There is a single mom in Chilliwack had her bank account frozen because she donated $50 to the convoy before the crackdown.Lorrie Goldstein says it perfectly: “So people in Canada are losing their jobs because they donated to a political cause retroactivity declared illegal by the federal government, on the basis of being publicly identified by the media, using stolen data from a fundraising website.” Welcome to Venezuela without the obliging climate.
Judgment first. Then let’s have the trial. Oh sunny days.
Jonathan Turley, a renowned American law professor, puts the point clearly. “The House of Commons just postponed debating Trudeau’s emergency powers because he is using his emergency powers near the Parliament to clear protesters. It is like postponing a war powers vote because there is a war going on.”
The imposition of the Emergencies Act has been challenged by the Canadian Civil Liberties Association. It has had no review by our courts. It all rests on pure assertion by the prime minister, his compliant ministers, and of course his (effective) aide-de-camp, enabler and prime supporter, NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh.
Rex Murphy: Trudeau's wild misuse of state authority — National Post
Are there no hero MPs willing to denounce this gross usurpation of citizens' rights?
Today (Saturday 02/19/22) Parliament is meeting to debate this Emergency Measures Act declaration on Valentines Day, but it’s pretty much publicity announced in advance what the outcome of it will be. The Bloc & Conservatives will be against Federal overreach, and the NDP will spot the Liberals a minimum of 15 MP’s votes in exchange for….I don’t know yet, & I hope I’m wrong, but I don’t think so.
This whole “deputizing of the banks & other financial institutions” just has a really bad feel to it, and it feels like one of those things that’s going to come back to haunt us all. I’m hoping that’s the concession of dropping this retroactive financial weapon is what Jagmeet Singh demands for his minimum 15 MP votes to rubber stamp the Liberal Parties rebranded war measures act.
{In the 150 years of Canada being Canada, we’ve only faced the war measures act (now revamped as the emergency measures act) four times. Trudeau’s 1 & 2, and World Wars 1 & 2.}
If this isn’t squashed, it’s use is going to become common place.
If it saves just ONE LOAD of rubber dog poop for the dollar store, it's worth it!
Funny how that always works . Accuse your enemies of doing what you do .