Mosque near Ground Zero

Ulgundo

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He's saying they are not a monolithic organization. For crying out loud, it's not hard to see that is what he's saying.

Just the same, not all Christians are KKK members, but some are.

You're using a wide brush, and you're painting way outside the lines.
i agree
 

Machjo

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Yes they can. The Taliban is muslim. The taliban is organized, the taliban is the enemy.

That's obvious. But it would be wise here to explain why. The Taliban is an organization with an authoritative administrative social structure, and regaining control of Afghanistan is an official administrative policy of the organization. Think corporation. They're a corporation, an organized body with a central administration and command structure.

Anyway I don't see how you can claim that the muslim community does not an possess an organized structure.

The Muslim community does not possess a common corporate structure. Look at the Christian Faith. You have the Roman Catholic community with the Pope at its head. It's not just a loose-nit community but an incorporated organizational body with a to-to-bottom organizational structure. The Anglican Church likewise, with the Queen of Canada at its head. I'm not as familiar with the organizational structure of the Baptists, though I believe they have a few separate administrative bodies. If I'm not mistaken, the Southern Baptists have their own independent structure from others. I know the mormans have a common organizational structure with a common administrative body, as do the Jehovah's Witnesses. Certainly any official policy adopted by such an organization is assumed to be accepted by the official membership of that organization.

Muslims, like Christians, are split among various groups, each with their own independent corporate structure.

How much more clearly than I explain it? As such, official policies adopted by any particular Muslim organization apply only to their own membership, which does not represent all Muslims. But there is no one single administrative body in the world that is accepted by all Muslims.
Thus while Al-Qaeda can make policy decisions for its membership, it has no power over non-members, any more than the Pope has control over non-Roman Catholics.
 

Machjo

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He's saying they are not a monolithic organization. For crying out loud, it's not hard to see that is what he's saying.

Just the same, not all Christians are KKK members, but some are.

You're using a wide brush, and you're painting way outside the lines.

Good example, And again, the KKK is a unit, a body, a corporation, an organized social group with a clearly defined administrative command structure ad hierarchy.

Christians do not have such a common command structure. The single largest group would be roman Catholic, but they still have no control over no-RC.

I don't know how I can make that distinction any clearer to him.
 

ironsides

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Community, province, towns support Taliban, therefore all are guilty, religion does not really matter.. In the case of the mosque, every religion needs a gathering place. New Yorkers do not, and will not support terrorists in any matter shape or form.
 

Liberalman

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Should they be allowed to build this mosque? If yes, WHY and if not WHY NOT?

They should build the mosque because Muslims died in the World Trade Center buildings.

And I mean the office workers and professionals that used the WTC as a success symbol of their wealth.
 

gerryh

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Re: Controversy Over Ground Zero Mosque

old news, already a thread about this, and the mosque is not being proposed to be built AT or ON ground zero.
 

Just the Facts

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Re: Controversy Over Ground Zero Mosque

It's close enough to have been hit by a piece of the hologram jet, that makes it close enough to be called ground zero in my book.
 

Machjo

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They should build the mosque because Muslims died in the World Trade Center buildings.

And I mean the office workers and professionals that used the WTC as a success symbol of their wealth.

Bingo. The building of that mosque is a fitting tribute to those Muslims and others who died there, and part of the funding for that mosque likely even comes from the family of the victims of 9/11.

Yet YJ seems to be offended by such an act of remembrance on the part of those Muslims for their lost friends and family members.

Truly despicable.
 

Just the Facts

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Bingo. The building of that mosque is a fitting tribute to those Muslims and others who died there, and part of the funding for that mosque likely even comes from the family of the victims of 9/11.

Yet YJ seems to be offended by such an act of remembrance on the part of those Muslims for their lost friends and family members.

Truly despicable.

A memorial plaque or statue wouldn't raise an eyebrow. A 15 story mosque on the other hand...
 

Just the Facts

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He's saying they are not a monolithic organization. For crying out loud, it's not hard to see that is what he's saying.

Just the same, not all Christians are KKK members, but some are.

You're using a wide brush, and you're painting way outside the lines.

That's true, but I just learned today...guess what they all have in common? Yup, Jihad. The militaristic expansionist kind, not the inner spiritual struggle kind.

There may be others, but the only exception I'm aware of are the Ahmadi's, who still teach expansionist Jihad but not through violence.