Mosque near Ground Zero

barney

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Here's a good article on the background. The wife of the Imam who leads this project is a member of the advisory committee for the National September 11 Memorial and Museum.

These are Muslims building bridges. I imagine some of the same people against this project are the same people who ask where are the moderate Muslims speaking out against violence. Well, they're right in the thick of things.

Thank YOU. It only took 75 posts for someone to say it.
 

Machjo

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I'll help the Islamophobes here to purify our language by scrapping the Arabic and Persian loanwords and replacing them with some real Germanic words:

admiral: sea chief

adobe: sun-dried clay brick. Hmmm... a little long. How about baked brick or the acronym SDCB? You decide.

albacore: thunnus alalunga (I hope you Islamophobes aren't anti-Latin too). If you have an issue with Latin, then maybe Arab long-finned tuna. Or just Arab tuna.

albatross:big web-footed sea bird, or BWFSB for short.

alchemy: medieval chemistry

alcohol: fire water

And the list goes on, so you'll ave to do the rest of the work yourselves:

List of Arabic loanwords in English - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Category:persian loanwords - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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As I mentioned before, Freedom of Religion means just that, no religion can be banned. We do not have a law that offers freedom from religion, though some interpret it as so.
 

barney

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As I mentioned before, Freedom of Religion means just that, no religion can be banned. We do not have a law that offers freedom from religion, though some interpret it as so.

I'd swear there were other freedoms in your beloved Constitution that covered that. ;)
 

petros

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As I mentioned before, Freedom of Religion means just that, no religion can be banned. We do not have a law that offers freedom from religion, though some interpret it as so.

Section One of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms is the section of the Charter that confirms that the rights listed in that document are guaranteed. The section is also known as the reasonable limits clause or limitations clause, as it allows the government to legally limit an individual's Charter rights. This limitation on rights has been used in the last twenty years to prevent a variety of objectionable conduct such as hate speech (e.g. in R. v. Keegstra) and obscenity (e.g. in R. v. Butler). It has also been used to protect from the unreasonable interference of government in the lives of people in a free and democratic society by defining these limits.
When the government has limited an individual's right, there is an onus upon the crown to show, on the balance of probabilities, firstly, that the limitation was prescribed by law namely, that the law is attuned to the values of accessibility and intelligibility; and secondly, that it is justified in a free and democratic society, which means that it must have a justifiable purpose and must be proportional.

Notwithstanding is restricted by reality therefore IMPOSSIBLE to ban Islam.

**** flows downhill, payday is every second Friday.
 

Risus

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Person or people?
You are just being silly now, but here you go, from Merriam-Webster:
Main Entry: en·e·my
Pronunciation: \ˈe-nə-mē\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural en·e·mies
Etymology: Middle English enemi, from Anglo-French, from Latin inimicus, from in- 1in- + amicus friend
Date: 13th century
1 : one that is antagonistic to another; especially : one seeking to injure, overthrow, or confound an opponent
2 : something harmful or deadly <alcohol was his greatest enemy>
3 a : a military adversary b : a hostile unit or force

Main Entry: 1peo·ple
Pronunciation: \ˈpē-pəl\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural people
Etymology: Middle English peple, from Anglo-French pople, peple, peuple, from Latin populus
Date: 13th century
1 plural : human beings making up a group or assembly or linked by a common interest
 

Machjo

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You are just being silly now, but here you go, from Merriam-Webster:
Main Entry: en·e·my
Pronunciation: \ˈe-nə-mē\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural en·e·mies
Etymology: Middle English enemi, from Anglo-French, from Latin inimicus, from in- 1in- + amicus friend
Date: 13th century
1 : one that is antagonistic to another; especially : one seeking to injure, overthrow, or confound an opponent
2 : something harmful or deadly <alcohol was his greatest enemy>
3 a : a military adversary b : a hostile unit or force

Main Entry: 1peo·ple
Pronunciation: \ˈpē-pəl\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural people
Etymology: Middle English peple, from Anglo-French pople, peple, peuple, from Latin populus
Date: 13th century
1 plural : human beings making up a group or assembly or linked by a common interest

So you agree then as per Miriam Webster that it's either a person or unit, a unit sugesting an organized body. That being the case, seeing that Muslims do not fall under one organized body, they cannot be the enemy, at least not in the singular sense. An individual terrorist can be the enemy as that's a person. Al-Qaeda can be the enemy as it's an organized unit with a paramilitary chain of command.

The Muslim community as a whole does not share any common organizational structure and thus cannot be a personal or unitary enemy.
 

Ulgundo

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In an attempt that surely will go down as the second most impertinent, disrespectful, cruel, insensitive and despicable attack on America, the Muslims want to erect a mosque near the place of their greatest achivement in history, near the site where they destroyed close to 3000 lives.

You know, Muslims, who forbid a Bible on any Muslim land. You know, Muslims, who will stone any woman to death who dares to look at a man who is not her father or husband. Muslims, whose greatest ambition is to kill all Jews and for good measure, all Christians. We are still waiting as to what their plans are about Buddhists, Mormons or any other "apostates".

Should they be allowed to build this mosque? If yes, WHY and if not WHY NOT?
Im not sure where you get all this info but the kuran itself accepts the bible and encourages muslims to read and examine it,''You know, Muslims, who will stone any woman to death who dares to look at a man who is not her father or husband.''You should know by now not to believe everything u're told and with all due respect thats probably the stupidest thing i've ever heard and as a person who lives among countless muslims(im not one myself but still)i can asure you that ''killing all the jews and christians''are not their ultimate aim.
 

Machjo

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Im not sure where you get all this info but the kuran itself accepts the bible and encourages muslims to read and examine it,''You know, Muslims, who will stone any woman to death who dares to look at a man who is not her father or husband.''You should know by now not to believe everything u're told and with all due respect thats probably the stupidest thing i've ever heard and as a person who lives among countless muslims(im not one myself but still)i can asure you that ''killing all the jews and christians''are not their ultimate aim.

You mean read the Furkan so as to know what he's talking about? That would spoil the bliss of his ignorance, wouldn't it?
 

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Jack: Wouldn't it be more to the point to ban building christian churches in Canada considering the atrocities and outright terrorism committed by christians such as the Spanish Inquision, child abuse and murder in residential schools, the Trail of Tears etc? Don't recall any Muslims being involved in these acts of terrorism right hear in Canada.
 

Risus

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So you agree then as per Miriam Webster that it's either a person or unit, a unit sugesting an organized body. That being the case, seeing that Muslims do not fall under one organized body, they cannot be the enemy, at least not in the singular sense. An individual terrorist can be the enemy as that's a person. Al-Qaeda can be the enemy as it's an organized unit with a paramilitary chain of command.

The Muslim community as a whole does not share any common organizational structure and thus cannot be a personal or unitary enemy.

Yes they can. The Taliban is muslim. The taliban is organized, the taliban is the enemy.
Anyway I don't see how you can claim that the muslim community does not an possess an organized structure.
 

Ulgundo

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Yes they can. The Taliban is muslim. The taliban is organized, the taliban is the enemy.
Anyway I don't see how you can claim that the muslim community does not an possess an organized structure.
I don't see how you can...?
 

Tonington

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Yes they can. The Taliban is muslim. The taliban is organized, the taliban is the enemy.
Anyway I don't see how you can claim that the muslim community does not an possess an organized structure.

He's saying they are not a monolithic organization. For crying out loud, it's not hard to see that is what he's saying.

Just the same, not all Christians are KKK members, but some are.

You're using a wide brush, and you're painting way outside the lines.