Mosque near Ground Zero

[Curiosity]

Machjo

If the only space left in New York was Ground Zero I would see the point - however the point being made by the Muslim group is way too sensitive and obvious.

It shows disrespect for the dead - and I thought that site was to be a Memorial to the slain who died on or because of 9/11.

The whole request is passive aggressive at its ugliest and I would think good Muslims would have more appreciation of allowing the New York people to have
their "enshrined to be site" intact without further conflict especially from their
group.

 

[Machjo]

Machjo

If the only space left in New York was Ground Zero I would see the point - however the point being made by the Muslim group is way too sensitive and obvious.

It shows disrespect for the dead - and I thought that site was to be a Memorial to the slain who died on or because of 9/11.

The whole request is passive aggressive at its ugliest and I would think good Muslims would have more appreciation of allowing the New York people to have
their "enshrined to be site" intact without further conflict especially from their
group.

The OP does say near ground zero, and not on ground zero. And here's a question. Would it have caused any similar response if it were a Christian group building a church near ground zero? I'll try it for my next post:

 

[darkbeaver]

Ground zero is a toxic hole, every way.

 

[Said1]

Even if we take his post at face value, it's still smacks of curtailing freedom of religion and punishing one group for the sins of another.

From what I've been reading, it seems like it's an ambitious project that isn't completely off the ground, nor do they have adequate funding. Seems like the community 'bia' has no problem with it.

Not the best source, but not in the mood to search, so I picked the first one. :lol:

Monster Mosque Pushes Ahead in Shadow of World Trade Center Islamic Death and Destruction - Atlas Shrugs

 

[Machjo]

Let's reword the OP a little:

"In an attempt that surely will go down as the second most impertinent, disrespectful, cruel, insensitive and despicable attack on America, the Christians want to erect a church near the place of the greatest achivement in history of terrorists, near the site where they destroyed close to 3000 lives.

You know, Christians, who forbid a murder abortion doctors and bomb abortion clinics. You know, Christians, who will bomb buildings with children nearby as McVeigh had done. Christians, whose greatest ambition is to, as Coulter had put it, destroy Arab civilization. We are still waiting as to what their plans are about Israel, Palestine, and Iran.

Should they be allowed to build this church? If yes, WHY and if not WHY NOT?"

Seeing that some Christians have been involved in terrorism, following the same logic, could we not say that building a church near the site of a major terrorist incident is just as offensive?

Now of course this would apply only if we blame all Christians for what some Christians have done.

So likewise, if we don't blame all Muslims for wht some Muslims have done, then why would it be so offensive to build a mosque near the site? Maybe the real estate is good, or it's a convenient location considering where most of the local Muslim community live. Or maybe they want to build the mosque near the site to commemorate the lives of the people killed, some of whom included Muslims, on 911, or as a testament against terrorism.

 

[petros]

The joke is on you!

Take a really really close look at photos of the WTC towers and you'll find they are of Islamic design already.

WTC Plaza was designed after Mecca with the sphere representing the Kaaba instead of the cube.

Arab money built the World Trade Centre as well.

Any more foot in mouth to come?

 

[Machjo]

From what I've been reading, it seems like it's an ambitious project that isn't completely off the ground, nor do they have adequate funding. Seems like the community 'bia' has no problem with it.

Not the best source, but not in the mood to search, so I picked the first one. :lol:

Monster Mosque Pushes Ahead in Shadow of World Trade Center Islamic Death and Destruction - Atlas Shrugs

I've just read the article. It totally neglects the fact that many Muslims were among the 3,000 victims too. Maybe they want to build the mosque to commemorate those victims. Maybe Christians could learn something here and build a church near ground zero too. This would create a whole new symbolism, showing solidarity between Muslims and Christians against terrorism.

Or is it that the Muslim victims of 9/11 have been conveniently forgotten, thought of as unworthy of remembrance, and even worthy of sensor to ensure no one, not even Muslims, pay their respects to those innocent Muslim men and women who died at Ground Zero at the hands of fanatical terrorists? Maybe some of the family members of those innocent Muslim victims have contributed financially to the building of the mosque to stand as remembrance to the victims of 9/11.

What, only the non-Muslim victims of 9/11 are worthy of remembrance now?

 

[YukonJack]

The fact that the destroyed World Trade Center incorporated motifs of Arabic design makes the destruction of it by Muslims/Arabs even more more despicable.

 

[Machjo]

The fact that the destroyed World Trade Center incorporated motifs of Arabic design makes the destruction of it by Muslims/Arabs even more more despicable.

So Yukon Jack. Don't you think it fitting that the local Muslim community, moved by the loss of some of their members in 9/11, should decide to build a mosque nearby to commemorate them and to show their solidarity against terrorism and fanaticism? Don't you think it a kind gesture on their part?

Why don't Christians build a Church nearby too to commemorate the Christian victims of 9/11? Why can't they learn from their Muslim counterparts?

 

[petros]

The fact that the destroyed World Trade Center incorporated motifs of Arabic design makes the destruction of it by Muslims/Arabs even more more despicable.

Did you know one of the alleged WTC attackers was Christian?

 

[Machjo]

Did you know one of the alleged WTC attackers was Christian?

What? Where'd you read that?

 

[Curiosity]

Machjo

Good points - I can't argue them - however I am still holding my opinion until I see the exact location. I think it was a crude proposition to place before the people of
New York. If it goes through - I will still think it crude and the New York people are beyond kind to accept the idea.

Petros

I think that particular arch in Middle Eastern Architecture is more Persian than Islamic - the curved top meeting in a point. Still you have an argument there.

 

[Avro]

Since when is Ground zero a holy site?

Btw, who was the guy that made the call to police regarding the car bomb in NY?

 

[petros]

What? Where'd you read that?

Yuuuuuuup. Go figure huh?

 

[Said1]

Machjo

Good points - I can't argue them - however I am still holding my opinion until I see the exact location. I think it was a crude proposition to place before the people of
New York. If it goes through - I will still think it crude and the New York people are beyond kind to accept the idea.

Petros

I think that particular arch in Middle Eastern Architecture is more Persian than Islamic - the curved top meeting in a point. Still you have an argument there.

It seems that they're hoping for the old Burlington Coat factory, a few blocks away. But, as the article states, it's just a grandiose dream, still in the planning stages for now.

 

[Liberalman]

The American Constitution guarantees them the right to build a mosque there

 

[Machjo]

Machjo

Good points - I can't argue them - however I am still holding my opinion until I see the exact location. I think it was a crude proposition to place before the people of
New York. If it goes through - I will still think it crude and the New York people are beyond kind to accept the idea.

I saw it on Google but can't find it now. It's about two buildings away from ground zero. As for placing this proposition before the people of New York, remember that the 3% or so of New Yorkers who are Muslim are New Yorkers too. Why should they be punished for the acts of others? Why should they not be allowed to commemorate their loved ones. Add to that that some of those Muslims who are contributing to building that mosque may have lost loved ones themselves. Certainly they have more say in this than some Islamophobic New Yorker living farther away from ground Zero whose family was unaffected by this. You could imagine the insult it would be for some New Yorker to say that that Muslim who wants that mosque built to commemorate a loved one he'd lost on 9/11 can't do so because it's somehow offensive to that New Yorker whose only experience of it may have been from TV if he lived farther away.

Talking of insults and insensitivity.

 

[petros]

The American Constitution guarantees them the right to build a mosque there

The American Constitution doesn't apply to citizens as stated several times by several Supreme Court judges.

 

[Machjo]

And certainly a prejudiced Canadian who was unaffected by this has even less of a say say.

 

[petros]

Do they allow fake religions like the Mormons to build temples in New York?