More than politics, this is a national crisis

[Reverend Blair]

As far as Kyoto goes, I will take the words of many qualifed scientist over you multitude of posting, thank you. They at least are believable and by definition must look at all sides of the issue.

That's where the links in those multitudes of posts lead, Blue...to the facts presented by qualified scientists. There are a few links leading to things that debunk the non-scientists and scientists paid by the fossil fuel industry to tell lies too.

Kyoto will financially destroy this country. How do you propose to pay for higher fuel and heating costs?

Those costs are rising with or without Kyoto. The fact is that Kyoto will reduce demand, so it will serve to keep prices lower. You see, by moving to alternatives energies and doing things like properly insulating your house, you reduce your dependence on fossil fuels, so you don't have to buy as much.

As far as twisting your words, you said them, I just repeated them. Something about your own petard, I believe.

You took them out of context and tried to present me as saying something that I did not say. Do not try it again.

National Daycare will be a financial nightmare

You have no proof of that at all.

This will be a unionized industry, which will automatically raise the level a parent or parents will have to pay for daycare.

That's just silly. It will provide affordable daycare to people who need it. The way we treat daycare workers is what will create a unionized industry. You pay skilled, educated people like they are 15 year old kids and eventually they get pissed off and organize. Live with it.

Here is a thought, why not make it beneficial for one parent (or both) to stay home with their kids by providing incentives through the tax system.

Are you willing to pay every couple that wants it $30,000 or $40,000 a year? How is that cheaper than daycare?

And the only time daycare started to be discussed was when the liberals came back to power.

that's entirely innaccurate.

 

[bluealberta]

The REverend in his Pulpit said:


"That's just silly. It will provide affordable daycare to people who need it. The way we treat daycare workers is what will create a unionized industry. You pay skilled, educated people like they are 15 year old kids and eventually they get pissed off and organize. Live with it."

Wrong, totally wrong. My wife is in the daycare industry and has been for over 15 years. Her income is excellent, and she does not need a union to help her. Based on your comments, you have no idea of anything to do with the daycare industry. The thing that makes her frustrated is the increasing amount of government regulations that are involved, making her job difficult. This proposed daycare crap will only hurt those currently in the industry, certainly not assist them. This should be thrown on the scrap heap along with Kyoto, Gun Registry, and other useless and costly legislation. As far as the rest of your responses go, what are you going to do if I "do it again?" Send out the thought police?

 

[Reverend Blair]

Based on your comments, you have no idea of anything to do with the daycare industry.

I know daycare workers who, after going to university, are making a whole $12/hour to start. I know plenty of parents.

The thing that makes her frustrated is the increasing amount of government regulations that are involved, making her job difficult.

Didn't you have a kid freeze to death in Alberta because he wasn't properly supervised at daycare? Seems to me that you could use some more regulations.

As far as the rest of your responses go, what are you going to do if I "do it again?"

http://www.canadiancontent.net/forums/about4760.html

 

[bluealberta]

Based on your comments, you have no idea of anything to do with the daycare industry.

I know daycare workers who, after going to university, are making a whole $12/hour to start. I know plenty of parents.

To start, perhaps, but surely you don't expect them to start at the top of the wage scale? No one does that.

The thing that makes her frustrated is the increasing amount of government regulations that are involved, making her job difficult.

Didn't you have a kid freeze to death in Alberta because he wasn't properly supervised at daycare? Seems to me that you could use some more regulations.

That's a cheap shot, and beneath you. I have more respect for you than that. Nuff said.

As far as the rest of your responses go, what are you going to do if I "do it again?"

http://www.canadiancontent.net/forums/about4760.html

I read it before, and if it applies to me, it applies to you. My mother is still amused by your post which resulted in that notice.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: More than politics, t

You took something I said out of context, didn't even provide a link to back it up. Don't do it again.

 

[bluealberta]

For His Excellency the Reverend:

Reverend Blair wrote:
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Rev that is somewhat of an exaggeration, I am nowhere near rich and I have very good health care.


]Trust me...if you are middle class, you are rich. Look around, it's not much of a sliding scale anymore

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i think that he mean that if you need a very serious operation or even several operation, and that you are in the middle class (not poor, but not rich) well, you dont have to sell your house to get it


There are a lot of working class people in the US without coverage or with inadequate coverage. A lot of that is because of the collapse of the unions.

Because of the way things are structured here in Canada, with many non-unionized employees having no coverage at all, it is likely that the disparity in coverage would be even greater


Okay, just to make sure, here is your entire post. Why not let others decide if it is out of context. Would you like me to get the post where you impugned my mother? Or was that out of context too. Maybe the comments about a child dying was not beneath you and my previous respect was misplaced.

 

[no1important]

RE: More than politics, t

Because of the way things are structured here in Canada, with many non-unionized employees having no coverage at all, it is likely that the disparity in coverage would be even greate

Everyone has medical in Canada. I know BC and Alberta make you pay a monthly fee, but if you are low income it is reduced or your not charged at all.

They do not have that in America.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: More than politics, t

Now that you've put it up in two threads, I just have to ask...where the hell is the link? You are still trying to twist what I was saying though, Blue.

If you are middle class in today's society...if you have hung on to that...then you are rich. Look around. It's not much of a sliding scale anymore. There used to be an upper middle class, a middle class, a lower middle class, and a working class.

We don't have that anymore. We have an upper middle class, a working class, and the working poor. It's been documented all over the place for two decades that the middle class was disappearing. If you followed things, you'd know that.

Now are you are done trying to take my words out of context and twist them around because you lost yet another discussion? Let me rephrase that. You are done. Don't do it again. If you even attempt to make this thread or any other about me instead of the discussion at hand, your posts will be removed. DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Everyone has medical in Canada. I know BC and Alberta make you pay a monthly fee, but if you are low income it is reduced or your not charged at all.

They do not have that in America.

We don't even have the monthly fees here. Funny, but I recently switched doctors and, due to some side issues got a referral to a specialist. He wasn't familiar with a blood problem I have, so he's referred me to somebody else. This is all within the span of a couple of months. No waiting, no problems. In fact it was too fast so I had to call and put an appointment off until June 7 this morning. I could have gone in anytime in May, but when all this started I was counting on it taking a long time, so I'm not ready.

Mrs. Rev has gone through much the same kind of thing.

 

[Numure]

RE: More than politics, t

The Health Care problem is slowly correcting itself as Ottawa is starting to pay its part. Though it will take alot more time before our system is back on track, and we reclaim our spot as the Country with the highest life expectency.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: More than politics, t

A lot of the problems we have now go back to when we stopped training doctors. Now that we're finally allowing doctors trained outside of Canada to get their lisences more quickly, that will go a long way towards solving the problem.

 

[MMMike]

Re: RE: More than politics, t

Because of the way things are structured here in Canada, with many non-unionized employees having no coverage at all, it is likely that the disparity in coverage would be even greate

Everyone has medical in Canada. I know BC and Alberta make you pay a monthly fee, but if you are low income it is reduced or your not charged at all.

They do not have that in America.

Up to $2,000 per year in Ontario...on top of your tax bill.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: More than politics, t

Of course if you were taxing the corporations more, you wouldn't have to pay that.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: More than politics, t

Of course if you were taxing the corporations more, you wouldn't have to pay that.

There's that corporation tax thing again, must be a fetish.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: More than politics, t

That and red heads in nylons.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: More than politics, t

That and red heads in nylons.

Whatever floats your boat, glad you have outside interests, though! :lol:

 

[Hard-Luck Henry]

Re: RE: More than politics, t

Of course if you were taxing the corporations more, you wouldn't have to pay that.

There's that corporation tax thing again, must be a fetish.

If it is a fetish, blue, it's one that I share. With corporations now so powerful they threaten the very basis of democratic government, I'd say they merit more than one mention. And not just on tax, there's a whole host of issues there.

I don't share the nylon thing, though. It's silk that does it for me.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: More than politics, t

The first thing we need to do is get rid of the fiction that corporations should be treated like people under the law. The second is to ban corporate donations to political parties outright.

Have you seen the movie The Corporation, Henry? If not, you should make a point of getting it.

 

[Hard-Luck Henry]

Cheers, Rev. I intend to. I have read the book.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: More than politics, t

Of course if you were taxing the corporations more, you wouldn't have to pay that.

There's that corporation tax thing again, must be a fetish.

If it is a fetish, blue, it's one that I share. With corporations now so powerful they threaten the very basis of democratic government, I'd say they merit more than one mention. And not just on tax, there's a whole host of issues there.

I don't share the nylon thing, though. It's silk that does it for me.

Well, silk is nice, no doubt! While I am certainly not an apologist for corporations, we must keep in mind that they do provide services we demand, they provide research and development in a lot of areas, and more importantly, they are the biggest provider of jobs in the North American economy. As most large corporations (and I assume this is what we are referring to, not the mom and pop corps) have shares that are publicly traded on stock markets, they also provide an opportunity for the average person to make investments to hopefully improve their financial status, and if a corporation is not successful, then no one will invest, and the corporation will start to fail, reducing products, reducing employees, etc. Therefore, there is incentive for corporations to do well for the benefit if everyone. Any significant change to taxes paid by a corporation will affect all the above, and in some cases, may force the corporation to leave for a better place to operate. If we were to follow the NDP's suggestions, we would have massive movement of corporations out of the country, affecting it's employees and consumers. Having said that, I too have issues with some of the profit margins some corporations have, especially in areas like insurance, where by law, anyone who has a vehicle must have insurance. This does not mean I am a supporter of government run insurance, though, as I do not have faith in government to operate more efficiently than the private sector.