London fails civility test

I think not

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Ten bucks says they bumped into Blackleaf. :lol:
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ENGLISH good manners, did you say? No, they don’t exist. In fact, we’re as rude as the French, and that’s saying something. They’re more polite even in Zagreb.

For courtesy these days you have to go to New York, a city once famed for its intensely irritating “Have a nice day” culture and for the most ignorant and impatient taxi drivers on the planet.

But, according to a former mayor of the Big Apple, 9/11 changed all that.

Reader’s Digest magazine sent reporters into the principal city of each of the 35 countries in which it publishes to conduct a survey of local politeness. Three tests were employed: dropping papers in a busy street to see if anyone would help; checking how often shop assistants said “thank you”; and counting how often someone held a door open.

London and Paris came a disappointing joint 15th, beaten by such cities as Berlin, Warsaw, Madrid and Prague. New York came top in the survey, with a score of 80 per cent, compared with 57 per cent for London and Paris.

Ed Koch, a former mayor of the city, told the magazine: “Since 9/11 New Yorkers are more caring. They understand the shortness of life.”

The rudest city in the world, according to the survey, is Bombay, which is even ruder than Bucharest, judged the rudest city in Europe, where door-holding, paper-picking and thanking the retail customer are not part of the culture. The Romanians are, the results show, much surlier than even the French.

Citizens of Zagreb, in Croatia, are the most willing to help you to pick up a pile of papers; one man insisted on helping despite arthritis and a bad back. The shop assistants of Stockholm are the most polite, unfailingly thanking customers for making a purchase.

In São Paulo, Brazil, even the criminals are civil; the researchers were attempting to buy sunglasses in an illegal market when the police arrived; the stallholder said “thank you” as he fled.

Moscow, meanwhile, is a very rude place indeed, with a score of only 42 per cent. One woman, refusing to hold a door open, sneered to a Reader’s Digest researcher: “I’m not a doorman; it’s not my job to hold doors. If someone gets hurt they should be quicker.”

Courtesy is not big in Asia, either. Every city on that continent tested, with the exception of Hong Kong, finished in the bottom ten. None of the three tests scored more than 40 per cent in any Asian city.

Overall, the tests found that the under-40s were the most courteous, and the over-60s, particularly the men, the least. Some claimed that they were concerned about patronising modern independent females, and were particularly unwilling to hold a door open for a woman. Grumpy old men are clearly not a purely British phenomenon.

Katherine Walker, editor in chief of the Digest’s British edition, said: “This was the world’s biggest real-life test of common courtesy; our researchers conducted more than 2,000 separate tests.”

Analysis of all the results suggest that the worldwide level of politeness stands at 55 per cent. If common courtesy is the oil that keeps society running, Reader’s Digest concludes, some cities could do with a top-up.

ROLL OF HONOUR

1 New York (80 per cent)
2 Zurich (77)
3 Toronto (70)
4= Berlin (68)
4= São Paulo (68)
4= Zagreb (68)
7= Auckland (67)
7= Warsaw (67)
9 Mexico City (65)
10 Stockholm (63)
11= Budapest (60)
11= Madrid (60)
11= Prague (60)
11= Vienna (60)
15= Buenos Aires (57)
15= Johannesburg (57)
15= Lisbon (57)
15= London (57)
15= Paris (57)
20 Amsterdam (52)
21= Helsinki (48)
21= Manila (48)
23= Milan (47)
23= Sydney (47)
25= Bangkok (45)
25= Hong Kong (45)
25= Ljubljana (45)
28= Jakarta (43)
28= Taipei (43)
30= Moscow (42)
30= Singapore (42)
32 Seoul (40)
33 Kuala Lumpur (37)
34 Bucharest (35)
35 Bombay (32)

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2233162,00.html
 

tracy

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I wasn't surprised to see that Toronto did fairly well. I've had more than a few mishaps there and have always been helped. Same thing here in California. Some nice Mexican man pulled over and changed my tire for me on the side of the freeway a few weeks ago. Despite all the bad news on tv and in the papers, there are plenty of helpful people out there.

I also plan on showing this to my dad who is convinced it's the "younger" generation that lacks manners :)
 

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I think not, watch out you might be getting the wrath of Blackleaf with compairing the English as being just as rude as the French. Reember in Blackleafs world (which is the world of about 200-300 years ago), we should all be thankful of the British empire and the civility of the "whitemens burden" (as it was actually called) which they spread across the world.
 

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Yeah I've heard great things about Toronto, and havig lived in Zurich, I know how polite people are there. But I'm surprised to see that Sydney is only ranked 23rd. Most people I encounter are friend to the point of being a bit over-the-top sometimes!
 

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Ten bucks says they bumped into Blackleaf

I don't live in London, do I?

And I'm surprised that New York got no1 spot and Paris got as high as 15th.
 

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Yeah blackleaf, I agree, I can't believe New York got so high. Actually it's nuts, I've been there and it was one of the few places I was happy leaving as soon as possible.