Layton Lies to Boost Ego

Should Mr. Layton be denounced for this incident?

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FiveParadox

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I have done no such thing. These inferences were not "crafted" by my own hand, but were rather drawn from a statement which I had come across on the Web site for the Liberal Party of Canada. Accusing me of slander is quite inappropriate, as you are crossing the line between arguing the points of a debate, and attacking a member of this place in particular.
 

BitWhys

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sanch said:
...Why don't you put him on a horse while you're at it.

If he's playing his guitar at the same time it sounds like a damn good photo op.
 

sanch

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Re: RE: Layton Lies to Boost Ego

FiveParadox said:
I have done no such thing. These inferences were not "crafted" by my own hand, but were rather drawn from a statement which I had come across on the Web site for the Liberal Party of Canada. Accusing me of slander is quite inappropriate, as you are crossing the line between arguing the points of a debate, and attacking a member of this place in particular.

I amended my post to read: But it is also not documented that he said any of which the liberals accuse him of. The liberals are engaging in slander.
 

EastSideScotian

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RE: Layton Lies to Boost

Jack Layton is a bum...he fights privite health care, but yet he sends his Wife when she is sick to a private medical clinic my Aunt works at...

The Federal NDP is weak anyway, They dont support enough of what is actully important and they never seem to give a firm position on most magjor Canadian worries and wants.
 

FiveParadox

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Thank you for the consideration, sanch.

Even though the Commons seem to disregard their rules regarding order and decorum, haha, I don't see any reason for us to follow their "bad example." :p Efforts by the membership to ensure orderly and civil discussions are always appreciated, I would think, by the Administration and the Moderators (it makes their jobs less stressful, haha).
 

FiveParadox

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Jersay, no reporter (no, not even one from the Liberal Party of Canada, hehe) would have edited a direct quote from another source. If they had, then we'd see square brackets or something to indicate whatever changes they made — this was not the case, and I would urge you to return to earlier posts in this thread to view the quote from the source I'd quoted.
 

BitWhys

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Re: RE: Layton Lies to Boost

EastSideScotian said:
Jack Layton is a bum...he fights privite health care, but yet he sends his Wife when she is sick to a private medical clinic my Aunt works at...

The Federal NDP is weak anyway, They dont support enough of what is actully important and they never seem to give a firm position on most magjor Canadian worries and wants.

how much did Jack pay? did he use cash or Visa?
 

Finder

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Re: RE: Layton Lies to Boost

BitWhys said:
EastSideScotian said:
Jack Layton is a bum...he fights privite health care, but yet he sends his Wife when she is sick to a private medical clinic my Aunt works at...

The Federal NDP is weak anyway, They dont support enough of what is actully important and they never seem to give a firm position on most magjor Canadian worries and wants.

how much did Jack pay? did he use cash or Visa?

He paided with his health card actually I believe. It is a private health care clienic working within the system and has been for a very long time now. This is not new to the Canadian health care system and will not go away and this is not what the NDP is fighting.
 

BitWhys

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RE: Layton Lies to Boost

Finder said:
BitWhys said:
EastSideScotian said:
Jack Layton is a bum...he fights privite health care, but yet he sends his Wife when she is sick to a private medical clinic my Aunt works at...

The Federal NDP is weak anyway, They dont support enough of what is actully important and they never seem to give a firm position on most magjor Canadian worries and wants.

how much did Jack pay? did he use cash or Visa?

He paided with his health card actually I believe. It is a private health care clienic working within the system and has been for a very long time now. This is not new to the Canadian health care system and will not go away and this is not what the NDP is fighting.

The story that was going around during the election is that it was him. What is always left out is that the clinic had been part of the system for ages already and his doctor just sent him there for his hernia operation. Turns out Jack never even thought to ask and never had to since he "paid" with his health card, as you said.

If this guy's "aunt" worked there, he should at least have the right dipper.

When? What's the name of the clinic?
 

MikeyDB

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It’s unfortunate (where’s my award for understatement?? :) that we’ve all been so successfully conditioned.

Yes of course it’s not everyone; some people have retained the capacity to deal with reality without kowtowing to the PC {political correctness} that in many ways defines modern social and civic communications. Now I’m not suggesting that derogatory remarks, which utilize ethnic or racial slurs are appropriate in courteous language, but what happened to telling the truth?

If we examine those elected to the pinnacle of power and authority in Canadian government, what do we find?

Shredding documents in the effort to avoid responsibility aside for the moment, and accepting that politicians appear to be more vulnerable to memory loss than the average individual, what has happened to integrity?

I suspect that there are those who may read these remarks who will sagely conclude that anyone laboring under the delusion that honesty might be expected from politicians and officers of government is bearing the burden of a debilitating naiveté.

We accept that politicians lie to us, even the least cynical among us will have to admit we’ve seen this time and time again for as long as anyone can remember. Similarly the provision under law for “client attorney privilege” actually legitimizes selective recollection and the frustrating of disclosure transparency and truth, so what can we reasonably expect from all the failed lawyers running Canada’s government?

Why is it that we’re all so willing to give a pass to politicians, judges, businessmen, lawyers etc. etc. when it comes to the truth?

Isn’t it true that a major plank in the Stephen Harper campaign was focus on government transparency and honesty?

Do his actions reflect this subscription….?

NO

Do the actions of Jack Layton represent a commitment to honesty and integrity in government or is he really just like every other politician…

Ready to make the right sounds in front of the camera but willing to behave in his own “best interests” even if that means massaging the truth?

Am I the only Canadian tired of these jerks who can’t even muster the self-disciple to behave appropriately in the Commons?

I suppose it’s a reflection of the self-interest of Canadians as a whole that issues can be selectively supported or challenged depending on whether the actions accompanying “legislation” affects them personally.

Don’t we really have the government we deserve?
 

bluealberta

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FiveParadox said:
Members of the Liberal Party of Canada today denounced The Honourable Jack Layton, P.C., M.P., the Member for Toronto—Danforth and the Leader of the New Democratic Party of Canada, for statements he made to reporters after a visit to Woods Harbour in the Province of Nova Scotia during the Province's election, which suggested that he had brought the issue of the need to support wharves to the attention of the House of Commons, and initiated a debate thereon.

However, the Hansard seems to remember things in a bit less of an orange light. It was The Honourable Lawrence MacAulay, P.C., M.P., the Member for Cardigan and the Crown Corporations Critic for Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition, who moved the motion that brought about the discussion on wharves — and Mr. Layton was absent for the first two hours of that debate. He only showed up after the Government of Canada had made an attempt to invoke closure on the debate, and failed to do so.

[color=red said:
The Hon. Lawrence MacAulay[/color], P.C., M.P.,]This stunt proves that Layton will say just about anything for partisan purposes. [...] If you look at Hansard from Monday, it will show that Mr. Layton was Johnny-come-lately. He should do the honourable thing and come clean. It is not acceptable to mislead the public in a crass attempt to pander for votes, and he should apologize.

Click here to read the entire statement.
Cliquetez içi pour lire le communiqué entier.
For some reason, I expected better than this from Mr. Layton.

:?: Sources
1. Click here for the Web site of the Liberal Party of Canada.

Just read this for the first time. Smilin Jack got caught. Not surprising. And Five, why would you expect anything better from Jacko? He is nothing if not a political whore, selling out to anyone and saying anything, knowing full well he has no responsibility of ever having to back up his policies. He and his party will never be elected as the government in this country, he knows it, so he just rattles on about everything..................and nothing.
 

Finder

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I still have not read anything about this in the Star,Sun or the National. Unless I totally missed it. Which leads me to believe it was just some Liberal party (fan boy) partisan attack which is more tactful then one which they have used against the NDP in recent memory. Like using racist terms to describe Jack Laytons wife, Oliva Chow, and the New Democratic party in general.