Didn't we do this song and dance once before and I posted the article that said that their concerns with the higher volumes and tanker traffic were addressed. They are no more effected now than they were before just the volumes changed.
Kinder Morgan Pipeline
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Didn't we do this song and dance once before and I posted the article that said that their concerns with the higher volumes and tanker traffic were addressed. They are no more effected now than they were before just the volumes changed.
The BC fisheries are already hugely contaminated by the millions of liters of raw sewage released into the ocean each and every day in BC.
It's a proven fact that clear cutting the forests like they do in BC is extra gooder more betterness for Gaia.
Fact
Well, they had Stan Rogers, but he died.
Think of it as shaving Gaia's p*ssy. Makes her all sexy an' stuff.
See, I can do that and not be hit by an earthquake or a tornado, cuz I'm an Indun an' all spiritually in touch with the land an' stuff. Hey-yah-hey-yah-nah-nah-hey-yah.
Here’s what you don’t know about Kinder Morgan
For example, the only evidence from KM about whether bitumen and diluent (dilbit) could be cleaned up in the marine environment came from a one-time only, non-published, non-peer reviewed experiment over a 10-day period in Gainford, Alberta. The tests were done in tanks of various seizes using fresh water with salt stirred in. According to Kinder Morgan’s evidence, the five-gallon pail and fish tank research went awry:
“Errors occurred in the fish tank, because the spill was installed in a manner that resulted in a large amount of dispersion at the outset, due to air ingestion, and the resulting slick was larger than the ruler and developed an asymmetric form.” They concluded: “A better-equipped test is certainly recommended for future consideration.” This Keystone Kops version of science was the entirety of KM’s evidence that bitumen mixed with diluent can be cleaned up.
Published studies, peer-reviewed and conducted in conditions that replicate the marine environment, demonstrate that the dilbit mixture separates and that small “oil balls” of bitumen are created, which then sink.
Canada’s premier scientific academy, the Royal Society of Canada, concluded that we lack the science to know if it is possible to clean-up dilbit. The NEB ruled that accepting the Royal Society study would be unfair to Kinder Morgan.
The NEB was unperturbed when a Kinder Morgan expert committed fraud, whiting out the word “draft” from a US EPA spill dispersion model, then introducing it to the NEB claiming it was the approach used in the US. Another intervenor, economist Robyn Allan, contacted the EPA only to discover that they did not use this model. EPA staff were shocked it was being referenced as it was clearly labeled DRAFT. Not by the time KM finished altering it.
There is no independent review making the case that Kinder Morgan’s pipeline is in the national interest
The NEB never conducted a review remotely capable of meeting the average citizen’s understanding of what is in the public interest. The largest union in the oil sands, Unifor, intervened before the NEB. Unifor attempted to enter evidence that building Kinder Morgan would cost jobs; shipping out unprocessed solid bitumen to refineries in other countries ships out Canadian jobs at the same time and increases the carbon footprint of the product. Shipping solid bitumen diluted with toxic fossil fuel condensate for export bypasses the last remaining refinery in Burnaby. The refinery cannot process bitumen. It has already cut its workforce by 30 per cent and if Kinder Morgan goes ahead, it will likely close. The NEB refused to accept the evidence. It ruled that its mandate did not include jobs, or climate, or upstream or downstream impacts.
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For example, the only evidence from KM about whether bitumen and diluent (dilbit) could be cleaned up in the marine environment came from a one-time only, non-published, non-peer reviewed experiment over a 10-day period in Gainford, Alberta. The tests were done in tanks of various seizes using fresh water with salt stirred in. According to Kinder Morgan’s evidence, the five-gallon pail and fish tank research went awry:
“Errors occurred in the fish tank, because the spill was installed in a manner that resulted in a large amount of dispersion at the outset, due to air ingestion, and the resulting slick was larger than the ruler and developed an asymmetric form.” They concluded: “A better-equipped test is certainly recommended for future consideration.” This Keystone Kops version of science was the entirety of KM’s evidence that bitumen mixed with diluent can be cleaned up.
Published studies, peer-reviewed and conducted in conditions that replicate the marine environment, demonstrate that the dilbit mixture separates and that small “oil balls” of bitumen are created, which then sink.
Canada’s premier scientific academy, the Royal Society of Canada, concluded that we lack the science to know if it is possible to clean-up dilbit. The NEB ruled that accepting the Royal Society study would be unfair to Kinder Morgan.
The NEB was unperturbed when a Kinder Morgan expert committed fraud, whiting out the word “draft” from a US EPA spill dispersion model, then introducing it to the NEB claiming it was the approach used in the US. Another intervenor, economist Robyn Allan, contacted the EPA only to discover that they did not use this model. EPA staff were shocked it was being referenced as it was clearly labeled DRAFT. Not by the time KM finished altering it.
There is no independent review making the case that Kinder Morgan’s pipeline is in the national interest
The NEB never conducted a review remotely capable of meeting the average citizen’s understanding of what is in the public interest. The largest union in the oil sands, Unifor, intervened before the NEB. Unifor attempted to enter evidence that building Kinder Morgan would cost jobs; shipping out unprocessed solid bitumen to refineries in other countries ships out Canadian jobs at the same time and increases the carbon footprint of the product. Shipping solid bitumen diluted with toxic fossil fuel condensate for export bypasses the last remaining refinery in Burnaby. The refinery cannot process bitumen. It has already cut its workforce by 30 per cent and if Kinder Morgan goes ahead, it will likely close. The NEB refused to accept the evidence. It ruled that its mandate did not include jobs, or climate, or upstream or downstream impacts.
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Indeed the "science" behind the NEB approval was enough to generate a number of resignations. I will tell you that their results - such as they are - are based on 20 hours of sunlight per day. Therefore not even applicable to the area of interest.
Oddly (or maybe not) the only politician with the background to even comment on this story is the leader of the Green Party in BC - and he is of the opinion that bitumen presents a grave danger to our waters.
Oddly (or maybe not) the only politician with the background to even comment on this story is the leader of the Green Party in BC - and he is of the opinion that bitumen presents a grave danger to our waters.
That's because he's a liar. He is now attempting to change the subject. Every time he gets caught lying he does the same thing. He's in mommy's basement in the GTA somewhere, pretending to be someone else.
56 First Nations bands are solidly and firmly onside with the pipeline extension. Some 46 of them live in BC.
VICTORIA — The New Democrats knew from the first day in office that their election threat to do everything to “stop” the Kinder Morgan expansion was both inappropriate and unlawful.
So said Environment Minister George Heyman this week, confirming to the legislature what Premier John Horgan confided last July in naming him to cabinet.
“He was very clear that as part of transition, he had been given the legal advice that stopping the project was beyond the jurisdiction of B.C.,” said Heyman during debate on his ministry budget Monday.
“To talk about it or frame our actions around doing that, would be inappropriate and unlawful. That is why we could not do that. He advised me to not do that.”
More.............much more: Palmer: NDP tool box leaves Heyman in vice grip over Kinder Morgan | Vancouver Sun
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And that is why the Indians are leading the fight to stop the pipeline. Me thinks most politicians are liars and your source is a bigger one than most. Anyway. It is the tanker traffic that is the biggest bone of contention and it is the coastal tribes that have the most to lose. Also, the Shuswap are leading the pipeline protest in the interior. If their council voted for it, the people certainly did not. I believer that most of the councils were bought off and it is the people who are going to stop this abortion.
Not all the Indians, Cliffy. The ones along the pipeline have a bit more on the ball seeing as they do the many benefits to their communities. I doubt they would agree with you about being 'bought off' and would more than likely be very willing to tell you exactly why they are onboard.
Our local bands are Shuswap and they are most certainly Not against the pipeline.
First its all of them then it 40 of them now its 56 of them.
First Nations are in the forefront of the opposition to this monumentally stupid project - while you hide out on the internet spreading fake news.
First its all of them then it 40 of them now its 56 of them.
First Nations are in the forefront of the opposition to this monumentally stupid project - while you hide out on the internet spreading fake news.
Well, they are most certainly in the forefront in this photo, the rest is questionable at best.
I fail to understand your stance on the issue, Cliffy! You don't live within 150 miles of any part of that pipeline. Only those affected should have a say! :lol:
My stance is purely an environmental concern and this project is a colossal fukk up that will destroy land, sea and water. What we do to the Earth, we do to ourselves. And for idiots like Rummy who will say where have you been while Victoria dumps raw sewage into the ocean, I have been fighting for the environment for over 50 years and clowns like him and petroglyph have been fighting to destroy it for most of their adult lives. You can't eat or drink money and when you can no longer breath the air, we all die. Try not breathing for 5 minutes.
Perfect image to represent the average oil patch/pipeline worker; a cheap whore who'll do anything for a dollar......or less.......
Not everyone likes to live on welfare like you. It is people like her that finance you being a burden to society.
No we didn't. We had an election in May and the non democratic parasites did not get a majority. They formed a pact with a truly evil party and forced a change of government without voter approval.
Now back to school and anoy your teachers some more.
You gotta stop sniffing the glue in art class and listen to everything your teachers say, not just pick up a couple of half sentences and try to string them together to make what you think might be right. Good thing for you that tests are no longer required to get to the next grade.
Who is stopping them from fishing?