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[MHz]

Unfortunately, you are incorrect. In fact, the United states stopped shipments of agricultural chemical to Iraq because they might have been used to make chemical weapons. The USA supplied Iraq with trucks, spare parts, etc........and only to the tune of a few millions.

France and Germany supplied Iraq withchemicals and nuclear expertise, the USSR and China supplied weapons to the tune of BILLIONS of dollars.

And it is spelled "shah"

Liar
Details about Iraq killing Iranians with US-supplied chemical and biological weapons significantly deepens our understanding of the current hypocrisy. It began with "Iraq-gate" -- when US policy makers, financiers, arms-suppliers and makers, made massive profits from sales to Iraq of myriad chemical, biological, conventional weapons, and the equipment to make nuclear weapons. Reporter Russ Baker noted, for example, that, "on July 3, 1991, the Financial Times reported that a Florida company run by an Iraqi national had produced cyanide -- some of which went to Iraq for use in chemical weapons -- and had shipped it via a CIA contractor." This was just the tip of a mountain of scandals.
Elson E. Boles: Iraq and Chemical Weapons, the US Connection

History of Iran: Arming Iraq: A Chronology of U.S. Involvement
Read the whole page

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[FONT=verdana,geneva,helvetica,arial] We now know who supplied Saddam Hussein with materials of mass destruction and where his military regime, notorious for atrocities against Iraqis, Iranians and Kurds, acquired helicopters, germs and lethal chemicals--an arsenal of terror. Iraq acquired its weapons of mass destruction from, among others, the United States and Britain--the very countries preparing all-out war to disarm Iraq. [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,geneva,helvetica,arial]In December, in the long-awaited 11,000-page report to the United Nations Security Council, an Iraq Weapons Inventory listed more than 150 foreign companies, including European and U.S. companies, that allegedly supplied Saddam Hussein with deadly and dual-use material. [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,geneva,helvetica,arial] Hoping to downplay its own culpability in Iraq's past war crimes, the U.S. reportedly suppressed the list of firms that contributed to Saddam's arsenal, but the dossier was leaked to a German newspaper, Die Tageszeitung, which published it. More information trickled onto the back pages of The New York Times and the Washington Post. The main facts are no longer in dispute. [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,geneva,helvetica,arial] The U.S. companies listed, some of which have facilities in Silicon Valley, include Spectra Physics, Honeywell, Dupont, Eastman Kodak, Bechtel, Tektronix, Unisys, Rockwell and Hewlett-Packard. They allegedly provided materials for Iraq's rocket program, planned nuclear weapons program and conventional weapons program, which includes military logistics as well as supplies and materials for building weapons plants. [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,geneva,helvetica,arial] The complete list included 24 companies with home bases in the United States, along with 50 subsidiaries of foreign companies that conducted their arms business with Iraq from within U.S. borders. [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,geneva,helvetica,arial] In addition to these companies, another group designated in the report as Iraq's arms suppliers includes the U.S. Ministries of Defense, Energy, Trade and Agriculture, as well as Lawrence Livermore, Los Alamos and Sandia National laboratories.
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Metroactive News & Issues | Iraq's U.S. Arsenal

Would you like the other 100 or so links Colpy?

 

[gopher]

Israel is a rogue nuclear power, an outlaw nation, it should be nuked preemptivly.

99 % of the world agrees!

 

[earth_as_one]

My take on who armed Hussein is that companies do not determine foreign policy, governments do. Its up to the government to make laws to prevent the proliferation of WMDs to murderous tyrants and dictators. If the government allows the trade, its legal. Companies must follow the laws but their primary motivation is profit.

People must hold their governments accountable. When they commit war crimes, its up to the people to inform each other and get rid of criminals like Ronald reagan and GW Bush. Even better, would be to bring them to justice before the world court.

 

[Colpy]

Elson E. Boles: Iraq and Chemical Weapons, the US Connection

Well, you should read the following....I wondered about Boles' lack of footnotes , odd for an academic.....this guy pretty well blows him out of the water. Oh, BTW, Boles is a SOCIOLOGIST, fer cryin' out loud. Useless, dumbass "discipline".

Working on the other two sources.

BTW, you should think before you call me a liar.

No Cameras

 

[MHz]

BTW, you should think before you call me a liar.

Sorry but when I was laughing I hit my knee on the desk. I guess I should have said "Links please" instead.
I'll wait for you to respond to the other two links before giving you more. If Iraq was fighting Iran for the sake of the US (proxy war) and chemical weapons were used by Iraq the US would have been involved, no way they are going to let that money slip through their fingers. The US 'advisors' probably promoted their use. Also, since this was just after relationships went south and the US had influence in Iran before that can you show that the chemical and bio materials they used against Iraq were not stockpiles bought from the US in that period of time (rather than imported from other countries). I'll see if I can find anything on that thought.

 

[einmensch]

Read it Colpy
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/--Rumsfeld also found that dozens of biological agents, including various strains of anthrax, had been shipped to Iraq by US companies, under licence from the commerce department.
Furthermore, in 1988, the Dow Chemical company sold $1.5m-worth (£930,000) of pesticides to Iraq despite suspicions they would be used for chemical warfare.
The only occasion that Iraq's use of banned weapons seems to have worried the Reagan administration came in 1988, after Lt Col Francona toured the battlefield on the al-Faw peninsula in southern Iraq and reported signs of sarin gas.
"When I was walking around I saw atropine injectors lying around. We saw decontamination fluid on vehicles, there were no insects," said Mr Francona, who has written a book on shifting US policy to Iraq titled Ally to Adversary. "There was a very quick response from Washington saying, 'Let's stop our cooperation' but it didn't last long - just weeks."

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Shaking Hands with Saddam Hussein:
The U.S. Tilts toward Iraq, 1980-1984[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]

National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 82​

Shaking Hands with Saddam Hussein but I'm glad that you caught my Shaw spelling mistake--that makes all the difference

 

[Zzarchov]

99 % of the world agrees!

Thats an odd Statement, Numberically India and the US (about 1.5 billion or a quarter of the worlds pop) side with Israel.

Then we have to see how the Chinese feel as well. But in general the opinion polls in China are pro-Israel, they have substantial military, economic and tourist ties. Thats another billion people.

See where this is heading?

 

[einmensch]

Good for Israel to stop all journalists from entering Gaza--That lets Israel lie to the world-Israel wouldn't want the truth to be seen in Israel's very own Ghetto.

Zz-It is heading nowhere-you don't have stats and neither does he--Just because the USA and German Governments lean toward Israel , doesn't mean that the populations agree- but I don't have any stats -so in a circle we go

 

[Just the Facts]

That lets Israel lie to the world-Israel wouldn't want the truth to be seen in Israel's very own Ghetto.

Israel's ghetto? That's interesting.

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas accused Hamas of preventing thousands of Palestinians from making the annual Hajj pilgrimage to Mecca, Israel Radio reported in Saturday night.
Abbas told reporters in Mecca that Israel had never once prevented Palestinians from making the holy visit.
Palestinians wishing to travel to Saudi Arabia through Egypt were not given permits and both Fatah and Hamas were blaming each other for the incident.

Abbas: Israel never prevented Palestinians from making Hajj like Hamas is | Middle East | Jerusalem Post

 

[einmensch]

Looks like Fatah-Abbas, the Israeli-American mongrel told Gaza when and where to cross and Hamas has simply said Abbas will not speak for Gaza-

The result is that Gazans, isolated by an Israeli, Egyptian and Western closure for the past year and a half, now have another reason to feel besieged — they are being deprived of the chance to perform one of the most basic duties of a Muslim, the Mecca pilgrimage.<<Didn't hear much from Abbas Re Israel shutting down Gaza for a year and a half--

 

[Just the Facts]

<<Didn't hear much from Abbas Re Israel shutting down Gaza for a year and a half--

Couldn't hear him over the sound of rockets launching.

 

[einmensch]

And here I thought it was the roar of Israeli Tanks , Israeli missiles and cannon fire.

 

[Just the Facts]

Just goes to show you how wrong you can be.

 

[darkbeaver]

Thats an odd Statement, Numberically India and the US (about 1.5 billion or a quarter of the worlds pop) side with Israel.

Then we have to see how the Chinese feel as well. But in general the opinion polls in China are pro-Israel, they have substantial military, economic and tourist ties. Thats another billion people.

See where this is heading?

Since when have the bribed politicians and the filthy rich represented the majority Zzarchov. Don't you think it's a bit incorrect to include all the citizens of countrys who's corrupt hierarchies temporarily back Israel? They'll all change sides anyway when things start to go south or someone else buys them.

 

[einmensch]

Who says I'm wrong? You?

 

[Zzarchov]

Since when have the bribed politicians and the filthy rich represented the majority Zzarchov. Don't you think it's a bit incorrect to include all the citizens of countrys who's corrupt hierarchies temporarily back Israel? They'll all change sides anyway when things start to go south or someone else buys them.

Actually im including based on popular view amongst the citizenry. Whether or not those people are "properly educated" in your eyes is another matter.

Israel does have the popular support of America and Americans, anyone who is fighting Muslims can get pretty high levels of support in India and the Chinese have always historically been pro-zionist.

 

[Cliffy]

Let us not forget that in most western counties, any anti-Zionist talk is an indictable offense or can have you dragged before an ad hock human rights tribunal at your own expense. It's support by intimidation. They use the excuse that anti-Zion sentiments is anti-Semitic but in fact most Zionists are Christians who support the state of Israel because they believe that is where Armageddon will happen and JC will return there.

 

[Colpy]

Let us not forget that in most western counties, any anti-Zionist talk is an indictable offense or can have you dragged before an ad hock human rights tribunal at your own expense. It's support by intimidation. They use the excuse that anti-Zion sentiments is anti-Semitic but in fact most Zionists are Christians who support the state of Israel because they believe that is where Armageddon will happen and JC will return there.

First of all, let me say I'm with you on Human Rights Commissions....let's fire the lot as a impediment to free speech, and let's throw the anti-hate laws on the bonfire as well. I'm with ya Cliffy!

Now, on to Israel.....an island of relative sanity, rule of law, and democracy in a sea of Islamic tyranny.

Gee Whiz! Who should we support??? Why the Islamo-fascists that want to kill every Jew on earth, and conquer the world for Allah! They are soooo persecuted.

Once again I point out.........

Both the West Banl and Gaza were abandoned by their respective countries.....Jordan and Egypt.

Israel can not blockade Gaza.......a long section of its border is with Egypt, to whom the territory rightfully belongs.....so explain why Israel is blamed?

Jews were persecuted and murdered and restricted, and exiled, and robbed throughout the world for the 2000 years since the diaspora. There is no other people on earth that need a homeland more than the Jews..........Zionism is only good sense for a Jew. It is called survival.

And where should that nation be, other than in the traditional homeland????

You tell me.

 

[Cliffy]

You tell me.

Tell me why there is a growing movement called Jews against Zion? Zionist say it is because these are self hating Jews. I don't know the whole storybut there is something not right.
The Jews deserve their homeland, but there should have been some agreements in place before they got dumped there because nobody wanted them at the time. I don't understand why they are fighting because originally, the Jews were Arabs, brothers and sisters to the Palestinians.

 

[mit]

Israel is a social experiment about what happens when you are handed lemons.