invade pakistan

Zzarchov

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``Chavez tried to take power in the coup in the early 90's``


Against whom?

Against Carlos Andres Perez who was a neoliberal!!!

So its ok to ignore the will of the people with violence and bloodshed if you don't agree?

Its not ok for you to decide if "Neoliberal" is good or bad for other people. He's a thug who is happy to kill and enslave people who dare disagree with him.

You can vote for any leadership you want, as long as its him. Otherwise he has shown through actions he is willing to use violence to enforce his order against the will of the people.
 

gopher

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If you read the news of the day you would know that he renounced violence thereafter.

Your Republican hero Musharraf, like Bush, refuses to do the same.
 

Zzarchov

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No, they renounce violence all the time. Its easy to say words renouncing violence when you are already in power.

Chavez also claimed he wouldn't use military force to try and stage a coup the first time, then he changed his mind.

He's in power now, so he thinks coups are bad. When he's out of power, he'll change his mind (again) and use violence to attempt to overthrow democracy (again)
 

#juan

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No, they renounce violence all the time. Its easy to say words renouncing violence when you are already in power.

Chavez also claimed he wouldn't use military force to try and stage a coup the first time, then he changed his mind.

He's in power now, so he thinks coups are bad. When he's out of power, he'll change his mind (again) and use violence to attempt to overthrow democracy (again)

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Since 1989, Chávez and a group of fellow soldiers had worked clandestinely to build the Bolivarian Revolutionary Movement. The movement first surfaced in 1992 during a time of riots, strikes, and scandals that were threatening the long-touted stability of the country. Chávez led insurgent troops in a bloody but unsuccessful attempt to overthrow the Perez government. After the failed coup, he was jailed for two years before being pardoned by President Rafael Caldera. Upon his release in 1994, Chávez visited Cuba and praised President Fidel Castro and "the Cuban way." A charismatic figure and fiery orator, he formed the Polo Patriotico (Patriotic Pole), an alliance of 14 minor parties across a wide political spectrum.
In March 1998, Chávez reappeared on the political scene, mounting a populist campaign that harnessed discontent among ordinary citizens and disadvantaged groups who were angered by the corruption and cronyism of Venezuela's political system. He accused the country's traditional parties of being dishonest, of catering to the elite and to foreign investors, and of mismanagement of the oil revenues. Chávez enjoyed the support of leftist intellectuals and the Fifth Republic Movement, a largely leftist party led by former coup leaders. He also had the backing of nationalists, large landowners, and conservative business leaders in agriculture and manufacturing who hoped he would keep out foreign investors. Among his legions of mostly poor supporters, Chávez is known as El Comandante. At his closing campaign rally, he drew more than 700,000 people, many of whom wore the red parachutist's beret that had become his trademark on the campaign trail.
On 6 December 1998 Chávez became the youngest elected president in Venezuelan history, defeating his closest challenger, Henrique Salas Romer, a Yale-educated economist, by 56.5% to 39.5%. Immediately after taking office, Chávez delivered on one of his electoral promises and held an election for a constitutional assembly. The assembly immediately began to write a new Constitution. Because Chávez's election also brought about the end of the traditional political parties, Chávez supporters won an overwhelming majority of the seats in the constitutional assembly. Logically, the new Constitution was custom-made for Hugo Chávez and suits perfectly well his political ambitions. After its adoption in 1999, Chávez ran for a new 6-year term in the presidential elections held in July 2000, easily defeating Francisco Arias by 57.5% to 39.5%. The Venezuelan Constitution allows for a plebiscite to be held during the midterm election. If the president is defeated, he must resign from office.
 

Zzarchov

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Chávez led insurgent troops in a bloody but unsuccessful attempt to overthrow the Perez government
Nothing in that history says anything other than "He's a strong man intent on power through any means he can"
 

gopher

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``When he's out of power, he'll change his mind (again) and use violence to attempt to overthrow democracy (again)``


Great prediction. :lol:

Next time you look into your crystal ball, tell me the upcoming lottery numbers.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:
 

Zzarchov

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So your logic is, a confessed mass murderer won't kill again "because he said he wouldn't".

Great, lets empty out our prisons, no jail time if you promise not to be bad again.

Someday you'll learn about the world and lose your naive nature.
 

gopher

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History repeats itself!
 

darkbeaver

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The plan to topple Pakistan's military
For the United States, it is not about President Pervez Musharraf any more. It is about clipping the wings of a strong Pakistani military, denying space for China in Pakistan, squashing the intelligence services, stirring ethnic unrest and neutralizing Pakistan's nuclear program. Musharraf shares the blame for letting things come this far. But he is also punching holes in Washington's game plan. - Ahmed Quraishi (Dec 5, '07)
 

gopher

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I'm still waiting for the forum's right wingers to demand a Bush invasion of Pakistan.

Let's hear it!

''Invade Pakistan!

Restore democracy!

Freedom for Pakistanis, NOW!!''


:p:p:p:p:p:p:p


 

darkbeaver

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There are lots of essays pointing at subversion of Pakistan from the failed project of Afghanistan where private security firms have become a problem to everyone except the US forces.
 

Blackleaf

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They'll never touch Pakistan, because, because.b.b..b.b.b.b..........because, they got......NUKES!!!!!




And they really arent afraid to use em

And because Pakistan is a member of the Commonwealth - well, it was until it was booted out a few weeks ago.

But because Pakistan, like all members, values its membership of the Commonwealth then I'm sure it'll get things sorted out there as best as they can in order to be re-admitted.