Re: In the ever likely event that the Conservatives will win
Semperfi_dani said:
If they win by a minority of seats, and presuming that the Libs/NDP will side with each other as per usual, who will the Cons allign themselves with.
The Bloc???
Given that the new Progressive Conservative Party of Canada ("liberals") and commie-socialists are on record stating that they will not cooperate with a "conservative" (Alberta) government they don't have any other choice.
Semperfi_dani said:
If for example the Bloc form the official opposition..would they HAVE to side with the Liberals? I really can't imagine them siding with the NDP.
Quebec doesn't have enough seats to form any official opposition with the Bloc. It's either going to be the "liberals" or the "conservatives."
If it's the former then they don't get to choose what they side with; it's totally up to the "liberals" and NDP and they will not side with the Alberta Party/"conservatives" around anything under any circumstances, which leaves them with no choice but to deal with the Bloc.
And the Bloc will not hand them votes without something in return and what they'll demand in return is tax points, which should
thrill Albertans, even though South Ontario will pay for it as usual.
Either give Quebec/the Bloc more tax points to get anything at all passed or they fall on the speech from the toilet/throne, which the Bloc knows very well.
The "liberals" can get votes from all three parties with another minority without being held hostage by Quebec. They'll be able to do the usual; talk to the other party chairs before drafting a bill to make sure it gets support from the "conservatives" and/or NDP and/or Bloc.
Semperfi_dani said:
I think the bottom line is that the Cons will definately HAVE to win a majority..or we will have this discussion again in less than two years!
Less than a year, I'd wager. And we're getting quite tired of it in South Ontario, on all the levels that matter; and in the cafes/coffee shops and bars too. The confederates have become totally irrelevant and this will go on for another decade; or this:
Windsor-Québec City Corridor, 2001
Ontario Section
10,706,513 93% of Ontario's population
Québec Section
6,327,354 87% of Quebec's population
Total Population
17,033,867 57% of Canada's population
Source: Statistics Canada 2001 Census
...and this:
The Lower Mainland and southern Vancouver Island
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% of % of % of
Population % Province Province Canada
1996 2001 Change (1996) (2001) (2001)
2,523,734 2,706,873 7.3 67.8 69.3 9.0
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will set up this:
Population/structure of the Canadas, 2001 Census of Canada
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2001
Region Population
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Atlantic 2,285,729
Québec City-Windsor Corridor 17,033,867
Québec Section 6,327,354
East ??
Central ??
Montréal and Adjacent region 3,724,576
West ??
Ontario Section 10,706,513
East ??
Central ??
Extended Golden Horseshoe 6,704,598
Golden Horseshoe ??
Greater Toronto Area 5,081,826
City of Toronto 2,481,494
West ??
Rest of Québec 910,125
Rest of Ontario 703,533
Prairies-West/B.C. 8,981,061
Calgary-Edmonton Corridor 2,149,586
Lower Mainland-south
Vancouver Island 2,706,873
(Total) 4,856,459
Rest of Prairies-West/B.C. 4,124,602
Territories 92,779
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Sources:
Statistics Canada - Tables - Population and Dwelling Counts
Statistics Canada - A Profile of the Canadian Population: Where We Live (Index)
How the Atlantic Canadas, rest of the Quebecs, Ontarios, prairies, rest of B.C., territories form up is their own business and up to them to figure out; and probably in another economic union so that our central bank/monetary policy actually makes sense to our businesses and investors for a change, instead of having a singular central bank that has to take what are totally different economies on all levels into account.
And the other central bank will have fun trying to set monetary policy with economies that are almost entirely based on the export of quite volatile raw/semi-processed commodities; with a dollar worth about 25 cents on our dollar, which will allow the rest of the Canadas to be properly developed for a change; unless y'all plan on exporting raw/semi-processed commodities (and the value-added jobs/spin-offs, larger markets/revenue bases that go along with them) to other economies forever, which I know isn't the case. But I also know that one of the largest money transfers on the planet has taken and takes place out of South Ontario to the rest of the Canadas (save Québec, mostly/usually, B.C. and Alberta of late, which still pays out over a billion dollars less in confederate revenues/receipts; the only ones that matter, never to be seen again, there, than the municipality of Toronto alone is plundered of, never to be seen again there either; and Alberta might want to at least get its own law enforcement if it thinks it's going to "separate"; only the Ontarios and Québecs have their own law enforcement, top to bottom, bottom to top, from recruiting/academies to pensions and everything in between; everything else is using confederate law enforcement ... and South Ontario/South Québec have real land deeds that are good outside the "federation" but nothing else does, which will pose a bit of a problem trying to claim our land with Acts that only set up jurisdictional boundaries that are only good as part of the "federation").
Getting rid of the confederates (and certainly Ontario feds) is much more important than anything else and a Harper minority will get us there faster. A Harper majority is about as likely as an NDP majority, but if they won a majority dictatorship, all the better. We may have to hang them from flag poles.
We need only totally essential union services and 'republics' (not real ones; no setting up border checkpoints or separate militaries) that can afford to pay for union services, South Ontario, whatever the other end of the Windsor-Montreal corridor from this end wants to call itself, Alberta has to prop up the other economic union and pay off its share of the federal debt, it won't be able to afford to pay for union services, the Lower Mainland-south Vancouver Island will have weighted "put your money where your mouth is" voting systems to set budgets for union services.
If the last sick joke on confederate mound didn't prove, yet again, that we not only don't need confederates but will be far better off without them, then the next bunch of pinheads will, or the next or the next but it's not going to go on forever.
Meech is lame, and there was no reason for it to be defeated. But a total re-write is necessary to unite this mess, starting with the mess Brits of Yore created after the uprisings against them in both to-be Upper and Lower Canada, the "Lord" Durham and
Constitutional Act, 1791, which put the French colonists into a minority to be absorbed -- but it didn't quite work out.
It's time to fix that mess, let alone the rest. This isn't the Canadas of the 16th, 17th, 18th or 19th century or even the medieval Canadas behind walls of import tariffs and levies, as with just about everything else, pre-globalization, pre-information era (1995) or pre-"U.S." (economic regions that matter) - Windsor-Québec City Corridor free trade with the U.S.
We are not oriented east-west anymore, anywhere. But the Windsor-Québec City corridor isn't just "anywhere." It's part of the American industrial heartland and we have massive new competition to deal with on all levels, with China, India, the South Pacific, E.U.; and still Japan. Natural resources do not make the Canadas rich:
Gross domestic product at basic prices primary industries
$ constant 1997 (millions) 2004
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% of
INDUSTRY 2004-05 All
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Agriculture forestry fishing and hunting
Crop production 9,998 0.95
Animal production 4,215 0.40
Forestry and logging 6,880 0.66
Fishing hunting and trapping 866 0.08
Support activities for agriculture
and forestry 1,242 0.12
Agriculture forestry fishing and hunting TOTAL 23,201 2.21
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Mining and oil and gas extraction
Oil and gas extraction 22,817 2.18
Mining (except oil and gas)
Coal mining 1,208 0.12
Metal ore mining 4,608 0.44
Non-metallic mineral mining and quarrying 4,730 0.45
Support activities for mining
and oil and gas extraction 5,336 0.51
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Mining (except oil and gas) TOTAL 10,546 1.01
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Mining and oil and gas extraction TOTAL 38,699 3.69
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PRIMARY INDUSTRY TOTALS (ALL) 61,900 5.90
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All industries TOTAL 1,048,266 100.00
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Source:
Statistics Canada
5.9 per cent of economic output is worth about 5.9 cents on every Canadian dollar, with the entire economic union of the Canadas added up and it's before taxes but doesn't exclude subsidies. The economic structure of the Ontarios (there is no such thing as any singular "Ontario"; or "GTA thing" due to the Ontario feds, who have to go even more than the confederates do) is as follows:
Source:
www.2Ontario.com, Economic Structure
Primary is worth nothing because it's not exported raw/semi-processed along with the value-added/higher-paying jobs, expanded markets (people with money to spend), and with a proper structure of South Ontario as a "republic" (as defined by the new union constitution and economic charters; it gets the semi-independence and union responsibilities that go along with that across and nothing more; it's a label) with at least four districts (halfway between a republic and province in power/responsibilities), West, Central, GTA, East (all south) the chart will change quite a lot showing where the knowledge-based (R&D, main products being innovation via service-based industries) are and everything will show up much more clearly as opposed to the medieval lie of some singular "Ontario."
It's no different in the Quebecs or anywhere else, but that's quite a long chart, to show where the bulk of the population and economic output is in each alleged "province" and territory for that matter.
The only candidate worth voting for in the upcoming confederate election, as opposed to "low voter turnout," which can be/will be spun by the "newz media" with plenty of theories is candidate "None of the above."
That sends a very clear message that cannot be mistaken for anything else; to get on with facing reality in this mess and fixing it; which no confederate pinheads are qualified to even attempt.
If the confederate insults to the words "structure" and "systems" were a person, it would have every artery and vein slashed wide open, the head would be nowhere to be found, just great blubbery arms flailing about; and four pinheads standing over it with an empty box of Band-Aids(r) pretending that it means something.
What are any of them going to do that anyone gives a crap about? Just get out of our way. We can pay for essential union services and can decide what "essential" means, without a bunch of pinheads who have no clue what planet they're even on.
The Canadian flag means plenty, but the confederates mean far worse than nothing and ditto for the "Ontario" feds.
Just scratching the surface and sniffing ... 1st post in the forum.
No Canadiana, please. I know the propaganda all too well.
