Harper seems unwilling to find solutions

Avro

Time Out
Feb 12, 2007
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Linda McQuaig

A government reveals a lot about itself by what it says it can't do. The Harper government, for instance, insists that Canada can't possibly meet its Kyoto targets on greenhouse gas emissions.
Interestingly, there's no such defeatism on the Conservative benches over Afghanistan.
Indeed, when it comes to the Afghan war, Prime Minister Stephen Harper is full of bravado and fighting spirit, despite the most dismal prospects for victory in that war – as a report by a Canadian Senate committee spelled out this week.
No matter how hopeless the situation in Afghanistan, Harper vows that Canada will be there, as a "country that leads, not that just follows."
Yet in the battle against climate change – a far more important battle, by any reasonable measure – Canada, under the Conservatives, doesn't lead or follow. It doesn't even bother to show up.
This week, it voted against an opposition bill requiring Ottawa to meet our obligations under Kyoto, which we ratified in 2002.
The dispirited approach to Kyoto reveals the shallowness of Harper's recent conversion to the environmental cause in the wake of the sudden emergence of the issue as the top concern of Canadians.
Of course, we all know that Harper spent years in the trenches of the global warming battle – fighting on the wrong side, along with oil companies and a tiny gang of academic climate-change deniers.
But there's been surprisingly little chortling recently as the Prime Minister, somehow managing a straight face, now insists that "the science is clear that these changes are occurring, they're serious and we must act."
Such a late acceptance of what the scientific world has been loudly trumpeting for more than a decade would still be welcome, if it seemed genuine. Personally, I'd be more inclined to buy a used car from this Prime Minister than to trust his commitment to saving the planet.
So far, the government has been frantically reinstating Liberal programs cancelled earlier this year.
But even these would have only limited impact in reducing greenhouse gas emissions, according to Stephen Hazell, executive director of Sierra Club of Canada.
Harper likes to imply that actually meeting Kyoto targets would require unbearable sacrifices by Canadians.
He recently suggested we'd have to live in unheated homes all winter.
He seems to be trying to keep the focus away from reasonable and promising solutions, like clamping down on large industrial emitters, an approach called for in the opposition bill rejected by the Conservatives.
Above all, Harper seems keen to avoid clamping down on the oil sands.
Indeed, Harper's weak embrace of the environmental cause is perhaps best revealed by his refusal to end a special federal subsidy enjoyed by oil sands developers, a constituency that Harper has long been close to.
Under the Accelerated Capital Cost Allowance, oil-sands developers are allowed to deduct 100 per cent of their capital costs immediately – a tax perk that far exceeds the generosity of the 25 per cent deduction available to companies investing in conventional oil projects.
The allowance, introduced in 1996, was justified as a way to stimulate investment in the oil sands at a time when the potential of the resource hadn't yet been proven, and low world oil prices made development costs seem prohibitive.
There was also less awareness of climate change back then; Kyoto wasn't even signed until the following year.
But what may have seemed reasonable 11 years ago is downright perverse today, with oil-sands development overstimulated and now the fastest-growing source of our greenhouse gases.
The special tax treatment certainly flies in the face of any notion that the government is serious about reducing Canada's emissions.
It would be equivalent to Ottawa offering subsidies to the Taliban while vowing it is committed to victory in Afghanistan.
To make things more perverse, the companies benefiting from the special tax incentive are among the most profitable in Canada, including Husky, Imperial, Shell and Suncor.
In 2005, the oil and gas industry achieved operating profits of $30 billion – a 50 per cent increase over the previous year, according to the Alberta-based Pembina Institute.
It's hardly a sector that needs extra help from Canadian taxpayers.
In fact, oil-sands producers could easily afford to pay the additional $1 on each barrel of oil which the Pembina Institute estimates would cover the cost of serious emission reduction.
No wonder Harper is convinced we can't meet our Kyoto targets: He's planning to keep on giving special incentives to our biggest emitters.

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/article/182293
 

ottawabill

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I love how "a refusal to end" is blamed on not the party that put it in but rather the party that carries on with it.

It is no the economy of the oil companies at stake but rather manufacturing, and us everyday people. our biggest contributor outside of our collective everyday people activities (yes thats actually the major cause) is coal fired power generation. Where is the money to replace all this in less that 5 years and with what..nuclear? is that better or just different polution? and if not that..are we ready to flood large areas in the north for hydro electric....

It's so easy to blame easy targets i.e gas companies, pulp and paper..multi nationals...but we are the problem..collectively...If we all stopped driving today and we all stopped manufacturing anything we would only cut emmissions by 28%..still need 2 % more..are we up to that...or is it more talk that no party is willing to act apon
 

dumpthemonarchy

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Jan 18, 2005
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Right on Avro/Linda, Harper, ie, Barbieboy is in the pocket of the big corporations. There are for example millions of lights that could be changed on Parliament Hill tho flourescent and save millions of dollars and possible prevent the opening of a new coal plant.

Barbieboy is a crybaby, "Oh its too hard, crippling, mommy," he wails. The BC gov't has a policy of zero emissions for new electricity projects. The Campbell Liberals in Victoria are as right wing as Barbieboy's Tories in Ottawa but they don't want a hurricane to kick their sad asses out of office. The oil sands and big oil companies need a good asskicking, they are Tory sacred cows that need to be gored.
 

karra

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Jan 3, 2006
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Fred says. . . .

"Mister Speaker, I rise today to announce measures that my government must take to comply with Bill C288, otherwise known as the “Pablo Rodriguez Law of Unintended Consequences”.

In order to comply with the Bill and Kyoto, it is necessary to take some drastic measures to either reduce emissions or buy credits from other signatory nations of the Kyoto Protocol who do not need to reduce their emission but get to sell these credits.

Canada got hosed at Kyoto. Jean Chretien’s Liberal government signed Canada to a treaty that means we must reduce our standard of living in order to comply. Bill 288 further obligates Canada to reduce its economy in order to comply and because of the way the Bill is worded, our Government must achieve the 2012 targets within 180 days of the Bill being granted Royal Ascent, so we must act NOW.

I am instructing a number of government department and agencies to enact the following emergency measure so that we can comply with the will of Parliament, or at least the Liberal, NDP and Bloc Quebecois parts of parliament.

1. Immediate shutdown of all coal fired power plants in Canada. We realize that this will hit Ontario very hard – 1/3 of Ontario’s electricity is coal generated, but look on the bright side, the lack of power will also cause the shutdown of thousands of plants and factories, throwing hundreds of thousands out of work. While we are it, we’ll close down all the top ten listed below:

Rank-Company Name-Province
1 Ontario Power Generation On
2 Transalta Utilities AB
3 Sask Power SK
4 Alberta Power Corp AB
5 Nova Scotia Power Inc NS
6 Syncrude Canada Ltd. AB
7 Suncor Energy inc. Oil Sands AB
8 EPCOR Generation Inc. AB
9 Petro-Canada AB
10 Dofasco Inc. On

2. Immediate shutdown of the entire Petroleum industry across Canada – we will need to import our oil but we are only going to import oil from countries that will sell us Kyoto Credits.

3. Immediately ban all wood burning fireplaces, charcoal and propane BBQ’s and summer campfires. All recreational vehicles and activities are deemed frivolous and will be banned. Sorry Bombardier, no more skidoos and water jet boats. We are investigating how to ban forest fires as well, but that has its challenges.

4. A 30 cent per liter “GhG Kyoto credit buying Tax. Based on recent data that we use about 45 Billion liters of gasoline every year. This new tax revenue should provide enough money to both buy the $10 billion in foreign credits we need annually and make up for the billions in lost income taxes the Federal and Provincial governments will not collect by the 35% contraction of our economy we need to achieve.

5. We will not be able to afford generous EI support for all the laid off workers because the numbers could reach in the millions. Shutting down the oil sands alone will result in huge job losses in Alberta, but also in Quebec and Ontario, where tens of thousands of workers make the pipes, valves, machinery, trucks, tires, computers and other equipment that would have been purchased had we not put these actions in place to meet the requirements of the “Pablo Rodriguez Law of Unintended Consequences”.

6. For the tens of thousands of workers in the Financial sector, we are aware that the mortgage and credit crisis these moves will cause will result in the devastation of your industry as well but we expect that the Barons of Bay street will be able to salvage a few jobs trading in the International Credit Trading Market, or as some have come to call it, the Kyoto Hot Air Credit Socialist Sucking Ponzi Scheme. Hopefully you will be one of the few out of the tens of thousands Financial Sector workers who will get one of these new jobs – you might even make megatonnes of money.

7. Since there will be a huge rise in the number of corporate and personal bankruptcies , our government will be enacting new legislation to simplify the process. Simply nail a sign to your property say “We quit” or for consumer debt, place your cut up credit and bank cards in an envelope. That’s all, no lawyers or courts needed.

8. We will also be reducing the size of the federal government payroll by at least 35% to meet the requirement to keep the budget balanced to the new and much lower levels of government funds.

9. We will be reducing the Federal government transfer of dollars to the provinces to meet the new fiscal capabilities of Canada’s Federal government. We will leave it up to individual provinces to decide to close schools or hospitals or whatever. It’s a provincial responsibility.

Its not all bad news. Canada should be able to save a fortune in Immigration costs. We have a forecast from government experts that Canada will go to last place in the quest for skilled immigrant labour. Somehow they don’t want to come to a country with power shortages, no air conditioning, limited winter heating, no jobs and a devastated economy. Go figure. The USA and Australia will benefit form these immigrants and their skills.

Mr. Speaker, let me close by thanking the Liberals, especially the mega green leader Citoyen Dion, the NDP, under the leadership of Jack “Talban” bin Layton, the Bloc Quebecois and their inspired of Gilles “Hairnet” Duceppe for voting for Bill C288. But especially, all Canadians want to thank Liberal Pablo Rodriguez for devastating our economy, depressing our standard of living to upper third world status. As we huddle in the winter cold and swelter in the summer heat, as we stare at our old car we can’t afford to drive, as we fondly remember how hard it was to get out of bed on a Monday morning to go to the job we used to have, we can take pride in being the best-est, wonderful-est, the most moralist international boy scouts out to help the planet be saved.

Thank you Mr. Speaker"
 

Cobalt_Kid

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It's all about power and wealth, Harper represents those who have the most to lose under Kyoto. The average citizen isn't going to have to change their life very much compared to those at the top who's wealth depends on an industry that is causing major environmental damage. They keep telling us how terrible our lives would be without oil and totally ignore alternatives that would affect their profit margin.
 

Vicious

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May 12, 2006
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Here's my plan for bill C288.

First I'll document my assumptions.

1. To meet our Kyoto obligation we need to reduce our annual emissions by 270 Megatonnes.
2. Canadians are compassionate; they wouldn't support a program whose implementation would cause them no pain but would cause other Canadians pain.
3. Canadians believe in representation by population and by extension responsibility by population. And I'll assume that the election results accurately reflect the will of the citizens.

Discussion of the formula. Since the opposition parties unanimously passed this bill against the will of the government, who unanimously opposed it, the following seems fair:

1. Determining a the percentage of the MPs in each province who support the bill (and therefore respresent the people who wish to contribute to implementing the bill - see assumption 2 and 3) .

2. The supporting population for a province can be described as the percentage opposition MPs in the province multiplied the population of the province.

3. Supporting population for Canada. Sum the supporting population of each province or % opposition MPs * population of Canada

4. Then the amount of CO2 reduction assigned to each province is the supporting population within the province divided by the supporting population of the country multiplied by the amount of C02 reduction required for the country.

So an example may help, I live in Ontario so I'll use Ontario to demonstrate.

1. MP Support. Ontario has 106 MPs of which the 66 are opposition MPs. Therefore 66/106 = approx. 62%

2. Supporting Population. For Ontario, 62% of 12.6 million people = 7.8 million

3. Supporting population of Canada 183/308 * 32.4 million = 19.2 million

4. So Ontario's share of the reduction is 7.8 / 19.2 * 270 megatonnes = 110 Megatonnes.

Similar calculations yield:

Ontario: 110 MT
Quebec: 97 MT
BC: 30 MT
New Brunswick: 8 MT
Nova Scotia : 8 MT
Manitoba: 7 MT
Newfoundland: 5 MT
PEI: 1.5 MT
Saskatchewan: 1.5 MT
Yukon/NWT/Nunavut: 1.5 MT
Alberta: 0 MT

I call my plan the 'Get what you ask for' Plan.
 

dumpthemonarchy

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The Liberal bill is quite irresponsible, they are forcing the issue because most Canadians like myself have been asleep on the issue and want a solution, but not so fast. The Liberals had years to enact Kyoto yet would not because they were the corporate pocket.

GHG calcs must take into account the fact that 90% of BC's electricity is produced from hydro, which produces near zero greenhouse gases. Two proposed coal-fired plants in BC are likely dust. Ontario and Alberta have the industry and oil production that contribute the most GHGs in the country. Big biz and big oil have to pay the most to solve GHG, it is only fair as they wrongly lobbied against it.