Hamas attacks Israel

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Last week Trudeau called for a significant humanitarian pause in the conflict to allow for the release of all hostages and the delivery of enough aid to address civilian needs.
 

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Last week Trudeau called for a significant humanitarian pause in the conflict to allow for the release of all hostages and the delivery of enough aid to address civilian needs.
Well, I kinda favor that myself. If it's militarily do-able. But the IDF is entitled to support, which includes not giving Ham-ass time to regroup.
 

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Prove that they support HAMAS, and not the people who are NOT Hamas? There IS a difference. (Yes I know, you deny it, but the reality is otherwise)

The KKK is old Dem, which is current Republican but you know that, you're just being... silly.

Proud Boys are right and have been always, but again, you silly billy, you know that.

Really, I know it's hard for you to grasp that not everyone is part of "a group belief" despite having a link to a group, but do try to keep that in mind.



Really? How do you figure?

Besides almost every post I separate Hamas from the people of Palestine, and I can separate the people of Israel from it's Government (it's amazing how little the people of Israel - the actual people - are getting no air time in the West, but then THEY are so pissed at Bibi and his possee they can't show that division I guess? Of course there are also the lunatic right wing who call the Palestinians animals and who want to wipe them out in a truly Hamas like way...). And yet I've never seen anyone separate Hamas from Palestinians, rather they get lumped together. So not sure where you're going here.

But in the end I usually say blow them all up because if they all wanted peace, they'd all work towards it. They don't. They just want to blow themselves up, so why not have at, let it happen?

Now all that said, I DO realize that there ARE people who want desperately for there to be peace, who ARE tired of this fighting, but shocker - their leaders/ones in power aren't listening. Innocents are dying because THOSE people can't stand the idea of things changing, of not being in power. There ARE people in the region who, despite losing family to the other side, STILL want peace. They don't see the other side as an "Enemy", but as fucking humans who have lost like they have.

It's called empathy, which too many in the world no longer has, and even those of us who have it, can get so tired of this bullshit that we just want it over.
Kinda hard to have empathy for terrorists that attack innocent civilians at a concert.
 

Ron in Regina

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…& a bit from Captain Obvious:

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on Tuesday said the "killing of women, of children, of babies" in the besieged Gaza Strip must end, in his sharpest criticism of Israel since war against Hamas broke out over a month ago.

"I urge the government of Israel to exercise maximum restraint. The world is watching, on TV, on social media - we're hearing the testimonies of doctors, family members, survivors, kids who have lost their parents," he said.

"The world is witnessing this killing of women, of children, of babies. This has to stop," he told a news conference in the western province of British Columbia.

Is he urging Hamas (Hamas isn’t Palestinians and Palestinians aren’t Hamas, but he’s conscious of not offending some type of voter base I’m assuming) to exercise maximum restraint?? Read the link to find out:

Oh….down near the bottom of the news story is this single sentence: Trudeau also said Hamas needed to stop using Palestinians as human shields and should release all its hostages.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu rebuked his Canadian counterpart on social media late Tuesday, after Justin Trudeau urged Israel to protect civilian life in the brutal war it is waging on Hamas in the Gaza Strip.

"@justintrudeau It is not Israel that is deliberately targeting civilians but Hamas that beheaded, burned and massacred civilians in the worst horrors perpetrated on Jews since the Holocaust," Netanyahu wrote.

"While Israel is doing everything to keep civilians out of harm's way, Hamas is doing everything to keep them in harm's way. Israel provides civilians in Gaza humanitarian corridors and safe zones, Hamas prevents them from leaving at gunpoint.

"It is Hamas not Israel that should be held accountable for committing a double war crime — targeting civilians while hiding behind civilians."

Trudeau got his name in the media, outside of Canada (because that’s not working well inside of Canada lately), and so far not as a laughing stock ‘Little Potato’ or temper tantrum broken airplane guy or a lecturing the Italian PM, etc…at this point…

The Israeli military said it was carrying out a raid on Wednesday against Hamas militants in Al Shifa Hospital, having urged them to surrender with thousands of Palestinian civilians still sheltering inside Gaza Strip's biggest hospital.

Less than an hour earlier, around 1 a.m. local time (2300 GMT), a Gaza health ministry spokesman said Israel had told officials in the enclave that it would raid the Shifa hospital complex "in the coming minutes."

Israel has said that Hamas has a command centre underneath Al Shifa and uses the hospital and tunnels beneath it to conceal military operations and to hold hostages. Hamas denies it.

In a statement, the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) said: "Based on intelligence information and an operational necessity, IDF forces are carrying out a precise and targeted operation against Hamas in a specified area in the Shifa hospital."

This will be horrible PR regardless of the outcome, & no nation would willingly raid a hospital unless it was damn confident it was justified in doing so.

Israeli army spokesman Lieutenant Colonel Peter Lerner told CNN the hospital and compound were for Hamas "a central hub of their operations, perhaps even the beating heart and maybe even a centre of gravity."

The U.S. said on Tuesday that its own intelligence supported Israel's conclusions.
 

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A principal joins those in hot water for anti-Israel postings

Author of the article:Joe Warmington
Published Nov 13, 2023 • Last updated 1 day ago • 4 minute read

Add a GTA school principal to the list of professionals who have found themselves in the hot seat for anti-Israel social media postings.


We have seen this happen to an airline pilot, a police officer, restaurant servers and a journalist.


And now it’s the principal of Tribune Drive Public School in Brampton.

All of this has happened as a result of insensitive social media postings that have come in the weeks since the Oct. 7 black Sabbath slaughter that left 1,400 Israelis dead and another 240 held hostage.



“Your headline written for accuracy,” Rich Ward posted on X during the weekend. “Anti-Zionism has skyrocketed in the wake of the Israel-led genocide in Palestine.”


He was called out on this right away, and his account disappeared. Ward was not at work Monday.

“I can confirm that this matter is currently under investigation, and in the meantime, this individual will not be at the school,” said Malon Edwards, communications manager for the Peel District School Board. “Administrative personnel matters fall within the confidential purview of our human resources department. As such, Peel District School Board cannot comment further publicly on this confidential human resource matter.”

But are Jewish students at the school safe?


“At PDSB, we are deeply committed to nurturing safe and inclusive spaces where the humanity of all students, staff and communities are centred,” said Edwards. “We are focused on serving students and staff with compassion and care, while upholding their dignity and human rights. As always, the safety and well-being of all students and staff is of paramount importance to us.”

The board also cited an Oct. 17 letter from Director of Education Rashmi Swarup, “reiterating our commitment to address anti-Semitism and Islamophobia at this time.”



One of the big problems has been the approach of naming both anti-Semitism and Islamophobia at the same time. They are not the same thing and should not be used as a blotter to keep score.

Any intolerance is repugnant. But in recent weeks, it has been the rise of anti-Semitism that has been front and centre.

As Toronto Police Chief Myron Demkiw has stated, his Hate Crimes Unit has gone from four officers to 20 in response.

Charges under hate crime legislation have been laid and more are expected as police warn offenders may not be arrested at a scene but afterwards — thanks to video surveillance. When you look at the severe anti-Semitic violence in Montreal, you can see how important it is to take things seriously.


Toronto Police are currently investigating potential hate crimes of a person being held by Ottawa Police. It’s not an easy time for police, who are caught in the middle of a lot of this and are damned if they do and damned if they don’t.

But as B’nai Brith’s Michael Mostyn and Friends of Simon Wiesanthal Centre’s Michael Levitt have made clear, all anti-Semitism should be called out and not glossed over.



There is a major distinction between the criminal element that shoots up a synagogue or school in Montreal or vandalizes and intimidates Jewish businesses in Toronto and someone who shares their opinion on social media.

The self-inflicted cases on social media are troubling because they can take somebody who is law-abiding and in good standing in their community, and see their world turned upside down in an instant because of a posting that was clumsy and done in the heat of the moment.

Do you want every person cancelled permanently, or does it depend on the severity of the matter? My feeling is it should depend on a few things.

It can’t always be a one-size, fits-all solution or punishment. If the person is truly anti-Semitic or racist, there’s no other option than to move on from them.


If a person is regretful and made an error in judgment, perhaps there can be redemption.

Change or contrition leading to a path to forgiveness can’t be thrown out the window in war or peacetime.

That said, many of the people making these posts know exactly what they are doing? However, sometimes second chances and forgiveness needs to be part of life – even for major mess-ups.

Unless, of course, it’s so hateful there is no turning back.

In many cases — perhaps with education or an apology — a dumb mistake should not always mean the end of someone’s livelihood or status. This is especially true on social media, where anybody and everybody is going to blow it sometime.

Meawnhile, what do you do about a school principal who — besides one controversial tweet — has had a solid career of service to education?

Education minister Stephen Lecce said there is no room in Ontario for activist teachers.
“Parents rightfully expect that their child’s educator does not impose their personal ideological beliefs or political agendas on their students in the classroom,” he said. “I firmly agree, which is why our government passed legislation to ensure school boards deliver what the overwhelming of parents want, which is a focus on academic achievement, including strengthening reading, writing and math skills.”
Time will tell what Peel District School Board decides?
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Canadian feared taken hostage in Hamas attack dead in Israel
Author of the article:Canadian Press
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Published Nov 13, 2023 • Last updated 18 hours ago • 3 minute read
Vivian Silver of Winnipeg
Vivian Silver, 74, of Winnipeg, is believed to have been kidnapped by Hamas on Oct. 7, according to a report.
OTTAWA — A Canadian peace activist believed to have been taken hostage during the Hamas attack in Israel five weeks ago is dead, her son says.


Vivian Silver’s son Chen Zeigen says Israeli authorities told him the remains of the 74-year-old woman had earlier been found in the kibbutz where she lived but were only identified now.


Zeigen told reporters in Ottawa last month that his mother was born in Winnipeg and moved to Israel in 1974.

He said she dedicated her life to peacebuilding and fostering understanding between Israelis and Palestinians.

Silver also volunteered to help children in Gaza access medical care in Israel.

Global Affairs Canada says officials are in contact with Silver’s Canadian family members and are providing assistance.

“It is with deep sadness that the Government of Canada has learned that Canadian-Israeli citizen Vivian Silver is deceased,” Global Affairs said in a statement. “Our thoughts are with her family and friends at this difficult time.”


The department previously confirmed six Canadian citizens died in the Oct. 7 attack, as well as a seventh person with deep ties to Canada, who was not a citizen.

“Indeed we can confirm her body was identified,” a spokeswoman for the Israeli Embassy in Ottawa wrote late Monday.

Israel’s consul general in Toronto, Idit Shamir, said on X, the social media platform formerly known as Twitter, that Silver has been confirmed dead.



Women Wage Peace, an organization Silver worked with, also posted about her death on X.



Silver’s home on Kibbutz Be’eri near the Gaza border was raided by Hamas militants as part of the attack, which Israel’s Foreign Ministry said killed roughly 1,200 people.

Silver’s son Yonatan Zeigen told reporters last month he had received information that she was taken hostage in Gaza and her phone was geolocated in Gaza.

He recounted last month during a Zoom news conference organized by the Jerusalem Press Club a phone call with his mother the day of the attack.

He said he and his mother had heard news of an incursion by Hamas into Israel from the Gaza Strip. They were joking around on the phone until confusion set in.

“We thought the next minute, it’s going to end — but it didn’t,” he said.

“We couldn’t grasp the incapability of the Israeli army to defend the civilians … we started to say goodbye because we realized this is probably our last words to each other.”



'We are a resilient people': Jewish Montrealers tense, defiant in face of attacks

He said the two shifted their conversations to text messages to allow her to stay silent, and someone broke into her home. They said they loved one another before the messages stopped coming.

Foreign Affairs Minister Melanie Joly called Silver a “proud Israeli Canadian and lifelong advocate for peace.”

“I met her son in Tel Aviv, and he described her as kind, generous, and selfless,” Joly wrote on X. “Canada mourns her loss with him and her loved ones.”



Manitoba Premier Wab Kinew also posted on X to express condolences.

“I’m saddened to learn of the murder of Vivian Silver by Hamas,” Kinew wrote. “My thoughts are with her family and our community here in Manitoba and in Israel. Her memory and her pursuit of peace is a bright light we will carry in our hearts during these dark times.”

 

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Survivors of Hamas terror attack want Canadians to be aware
Two men who helped fight off a Hamas attack on their Kibbutz are in Toronto to raise awareness of terror group's brutality


Author of the article:Brian Lilley
Published Nov 13, 2023 • Last updated 18 hours ago • 3 minute read

Harel Oren and Ilan Cohen — two men who survived the Oct. 7 terrorist attack on their kibbutz in Israel — have been spending the last few days in Toronto.


They are shocked and disappointed at some of what they have seen when it comes to the open support on display for Hamas — not the Palestinian people in Gaza, but the terrorist group which attacked their homes, killed their friends and family members and kidnapped community members.


On Sunday, Harel and Ilan went to both the rally against anti-Semitism at Christie Pits and to the rally organized by Toronto 4 Palestine at Nathan Phillips Square.

“I’m disappointed,” Cohen said.

Sitting in Cafe Landwer, on Univeristy Ave., on Monday morning, the two men flipped back and forth between details of the attacks of just over a month ago and what they have seen in Toronto. They are shocked at the calls for what they view as a one-way ceasefire, and, given what they witnessed on Oct. 7, they aren’t in much of a mood for a ceasefire anytime soon.


Cohen said he feels very betrayed by the Palestinian workers who had been welcomed into the kibbutz as guest workers but who later gave up detailed information which was used in the attacks.

“They were like our house members, and they took advantage of that and gave information to Hamas,” Cohen said.

The level of detail was so intricate that Hamas knew the home of each squad leader for the kibbutz response team and that those homes should be visited first to kill the leadership.

“They had a very defined plan, they had maps, they had goals,” Oren said of the terrorist attacks.

Ilan, showing a surveillance video of a convoy of trucks entering his community through one of the entrances, is still in shock more than a month later. He noted the number of trucks, the number of fighters in each vehicle and the number of weapons they were carrying.


Thanks to Oren, Ilan and other members of the community, who were able to fight back and hold off the Hamas terrorists, the bloodshed was not as bad as it could have been. Still, five community members were killed, and six were taken hostage – a Jewish woman and five agricultural workers from Thailand.

On top of that, police officers and soldiers, who arrived to respond to the attacks, were killed along with several concertgoers from the Nova Music festival who sought refuge in the kibbutz. In total, about 30 people lost their lives at the hands of the Hamas terrorists that day.

A quarter of the homes in their community of just over 400 have been destroyed, lives have been lost and displaced, any sense of security shattered.

“Hamas is much worse than the Nazis or ISIS and they have to be out of the equation,” Cohen said.





Beyond an understandable bitterness towards the terrorist group that attacked his home, he described how Hamas mistreats the people of Gaza. The hard living conditions that have only gotten worse since Hamas came to power, and the embezzlement of foreign-aid money fed the war effort rather than the people.

“This is the difference between normal governments and Hamas,” Cohen said.

Both men stress again and again that people in places like Canada, the United States, or Europe simply don’t understand the brutality of Hamas’ regime.

That brutality was on display on Oct. 7; it landed right in their community.

Harel and Ilan witnessed it firsthand; they don’t want you to witness it, but they do want Canadians to be aware.

blilley@postmedia.com
 
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Kinda hard to have empathy for terrorists that attack innocent civilians at a concert.

You can have empathy for the situation that drove them to be terrorists, and have no empathy for the actions they took.

So no, not "kind'a hard" at all.

And Israel seems to be okay with making more terrorists, so... *shrug*
 

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…& a bit from Captain Obvious:

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on Tuesday said the "killing of women, of children, of babies" in the besieged Gaza Strip must end, in his sharpest criticism of Israel since war against Hamas broke out over a month ago.

"I urge the government of Israel to exercise maximum restraint. The world is watching, on TV, on social media - we're hearing the testimonies of doctors, family members, survivors, kids who have lost their parents," he said.

"The world is witnessing this killing of women, of children, of babies. This has to stop," he told a news conference in the western province of British Columbia.

Is he urging Hamas (Hamas isn’t Palestinians and Palestinians aren’t Hamas, but he’s conscious of not offending some type of voter base I’m assuming) to exercise maximum restraint?? Read the link to find out:

Oh….down near the bottom of the news story is this single sentence: Trudeau also said Hamas needed to stop using Palestinians as human shields and should release all its hostages.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau now has the dubious distinction of being the only world leader to be publicly rebuked on Twitter by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu since Hamas’s Oct. 7 terrorist attack.

Israel has provided a plethora of evidence showing that Hamas has been using hospitals to shield their fighters, weapons and command centres from Israeli attack. It released statements made by Hamas terrorists admitting that their base of operations was located underneath Al-Shifa hospital.

On the same day that Trudeau made his remarks, the United States, our closest friend and ally, said it also had evidence that Hamas was using the facility as a “command-and-control” centre, and likely storing arms on site.

Overnight on Tuesday, the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) raided the hospital and said they found weapons and other “concrete evidence that Hamas terrorists used the Shifa hospital as a terror headquarter.” A surgeon with Doctors Without Borders who works at the hospital also told Reuters, “We hear from our manager there is a military base in the basement of the department.”

Crucially, the IDF said its “targeted operation” was done without any fighting and without disrupting medical staff or patients, who are in a different part of the facility. The Israelis even brought medical supplies with them.

This is a far cry from Trudeau’s suggestion that Israel is deliberately killing women, children and babies, or that all Palestinians are being made to suffer for Hamas’s crimes.
 
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Prime Minister Justin Trudeau now has the dubious distinction of being the only world leader to be publicly rebuked on Twitter by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu since Hamas’s Oct. 7 terrorist attack.

Israel has provided a plethora of evidence showing that Hamas has been using hospitals to shield their fighters, weapons and command centres from Israeli attack. It released statements made by Hamas terrorists admitting that their base of operations was located underneath Al-Shifa hospital.

On the same day that Trudeau made his remarks, the United States, our closest friend and ally, said it also had evidence that Hamas was using the facility as a “command-and-control” centre, and likely storing arms on site.

Overnight on Tuesday, the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) raided the hospital and said they found weapons and other “concrete evidence that Hamas terrorists used the Shifa hospital as a terror headquarter.” A surgeon with Doctors Without Borders who works at the hospital also told Reuters, “We hear from our manager there is a military base in the basement of the department.”

Crucially, the IDF said its “targeted operation” was done without any fighting and without disrupting medical staff or patients, who are in a different part of the facility. The Israelis even brought medical supplies with them.

This is a far cry from Trudeau’s suggestion that Israel is deliberately killing women, children and babies, or that all Palestinians are being made to suffer for Hamas’s crimes.
Trudeau is paying lipservice to Muzzies so they don't torch Montreal.
 
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Prime Minister Justin Trudeau now has the dubious distinction of being the only world leader to be publicly rebuked on Twitter by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu since Hamas’s Oct. 7 terrorist attack.

Israel has provided a plethora of evidence showing that Hamas has been using hospitals to shield their fighters, weapons and command centres from Israeli attack. It released statements made by Hamas terrorists admitting that their base of operations was located underneath Al-Shifa hospital.

On the same day that Trudeau made his remarks, the United States, our closest friend and ally, said it also had evidence that Hamas was using the facility as a “command-and-control” centre, and likely storing arms on site.

Overnight on Tuesday, the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) raided the hospital and said they found weapons and other “concrete evidence that Hamas terrorists used the Shifa hospital as a terror headquarter.” A surgeon with Doctors Without Borders who works at the hospital also told Reuters, “We hear from our manager there is a military base in the basement of the department.”

Crucially, the IDF said its “targeted operation” was done without any fighting and without disrupting medical staff or patients, who are in a different part of the facility. The Israelis even brought medical supplies with them.

This is a far cry from Trudeau’s suggestion that Israel is deliberately killing women, children and babies, or that all Palestinians are being made to suffer for Hamas’s crimes.

Bullshit.

Both can be true at the same time.

Again, just an excuse to bitch about Trudeau no matter what he does.

JFC - he's a total dick, yes, but really y'all need to stop obsessing over him like the girl who dumped your ass for Bobby Hotcakes from the Nerd Club.
 
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Meanwhile







Fuck the haters in Washington who are only for the conflict because it suits them and their Religious Bullshit.

Actually, how about the world toss those assholes who keep wanting to support Israel, to Israel, and they can fight against Hamas et al and they can risk their lives to bring their fucking Jesus back.
 

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<---- THIS is why there is so much support for Israel. Has nothing to do with the actual PEOPLE, but rather religious idiots pushing for their version of God to return.

Yep, that's the side to be with all right.
 
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Bullshit.

Both can be true at the same time.

Again, just an excuse to bitch about Trudeau no matter what he does.

JFC - he's a total dick, yes, but really y'all need to stop obsessing over him like the girl who dumped your ass for Bobby Hotcakes from the Nerd Club.
I will bitch about Trudeau almost any chance I get in all honesty. This could simply be a matter of the five eyes intelligence sharing not trusting Canada with sensitive information because they don’t want it in the globe and mail or on the CBC while it’s still sensitive…. But probably not.
 

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I will bitch about Trudeau almost any chance I get in all honesty. This could simply be a matter of the five eyes intelligence sharing not trusting Canada with sensitive information because they don’t want it in the globe and mail or on the CBC while it’s still sensitive…. But probably not.

Then if I randomly ask how your girlfriend Justine is doing don't get upset :p