Government Fails to Reject Private Care

FiveParadox

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Dec 20, 2005
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It should be noted that Ralph Klein, the Premier of the Province of Alberta, has now openly stated that his plan in relation to health care in Alberta is quite probably in violation of the Canada Health Act.

There no longer appears to be any hiding this matter; the contradiction of the Act in Alberta could drive a stake through the heart of publicly-funded healthcare in Canada.
 

Finder

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Re: RE: Government Fails to Reject Private Care

JomZ said:
Hey Finder,

Did you see all this going on in the Ont. Legislature as well.

TORONTO -- Doomsday scenarios painted by unions over changes to the way health services are administered in Ontario should not be believed, the health minister said yesterday as his Liberal government used its majority to push through the legislated changes.

Health-care workers say the legislation, which will replace Ontario's district health councils with Liberal-appointed officials, will lead to more privatization of services, but Health Minister George Smitherman insisted that is not the case.

"I'm disappointed that there are those levels of fears," he said yesterday before the bill was passed by a 60-26 vote. The opposition parties voted against it.

Union leaders would have the public believe that "the sky is going to fall," Smitherman said, adding, "I assure you that it isn't."

Unions representing nurses and other health workers warned the bill would lead to the delivery of more health services by for-profit providers, as well as more user fees for patients.

"The legislation actively encourages the transfer of services out of the hospitals and into independent health facilities," said Linda Haslam-Stroud, president of the Ontario Nurses Association.

"Patients may have to pay out of pocket for services, for medications that would have been covered if they had been provided in the hospital."

Smitherman defended the government's decision to appoint people to local health networks instead of having them elected.

"It's appropriate that we appoint people that we think reflect the capacity that we see as important," he said.

"Those people who said they wanted to elect them, they just want to set up what works for them around here, the constant tension game."

Smitherman said the local networks will help improve health care by giving patients the opportunity to move seamlessly through the system in their communities.

The networks will gain control, he said, by having the power to decide how to spend provincial money in their district rather than leaving administration of the entire $33-billion health-care budget to provincial bureaucrats in Toronto.

Ontario's opposition parties said the bill gives the government unprecedented power to close hospitals or force them to merge with other institutions, even over the objections of the local networks.

Smitherman said he already has the power to close hospitals, but wants to put that authority into the hands of local decision makers.

"If Dalton McGuinty does not intend to use these powers, then why are they in the legislation?" asked Opposition Leader John Tory.


London Free Press ~ March 2, 2006

Ontario is taking the more indirect approach to cost controlling and privatizing health care.


Nope I hadn't read that.


But if Klien is allowed to act on his plan it will put the whole nations health care in crisis as Doc's will be flocking to Alberta in search of gold (sorry for the gold rush pun with alberta). This will have a few outcomes. Private health care with so much competion will drive down the prices in Alberta. The puplic health care system will either become a joke or the docs who can't find private work may go into the puplic sector boosting it. .. but also making the system a third rate system.

In the rest of Canada as the brain drain moves to Alberta, the right wing of the liberals and the conservatives will show the weaking puplic system as proff that puplic health care doesn't work and will bring in a two tiered system to bring back the brain drain.

So we better get ready to start paying for health care... and well dieing because puplic health care will be so shitty and only the rich will be able to afford any real care. *shurgs*

Well I'm a Democrat and will accept anything which happens. But since the people, the middle and lower classes have to learn a history lesson on why we fought for health care maybe once we have puplic health care again they will apresheate next time.
 

Jay

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Finder said:
Jay said:
Finder said:
I know it's not Politically correct these days to support a strong Puplic health care system, well screw everyone because this type of system was already in Canada and we fought long and hard for the puplic system.

You guys fought long and hard for oppressive care systems and long waiting times?


Why?

waiting times was caused by the cuts to health care which was a crisis in health care born from Liberals and Conservatives who wished to make the crisis. In Ontario the only reason we have one is because of Harris cuts to beds, staff and nurse's in the late 90's. This wasn't the faulure of the puplic system by a government which threw a rench into the mech and blamed the mech for breaking down.

So it boils down to...are you willing to subject healthcare spending to whims of politicians and government budgets? Are you willing to subject it to the cause of everything else the government has to deal with?

Fighting long and hard so we can fight about healthcare budgets is crazy IMHO....we need to fight long and hard to remove healthcare from the clutches of those that would use it as a political tool....it only makes sense.

Socialists have had their run with our healthcare money and system. It is time for them to admit it is a dismal failure and return a level of normality to the entire system.

GM workers under their big fat unions and pay cheques are not going to have their healthcare paid for in the future...why? Because it is stupid.