God sent the iron from heaven
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Quran 57: 25, which means:
(And We sent down the iron [included in the meteorites falling down from the space], in which are both keen violence and [many] benefits to people. b)
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b They made of it swords, knives, axes, saws, and others. In the past they made use of the iron from the meteorites because the iron does not exist freely on the earth on account of its affinity to combine with oxygen; therefore, they searched for it in the meteorites falling from space; in such meteorites, they found free iron which they took and made their swords from it.
One of the nice tales about meteorites is that a meteorite or a celestial rock fell in Punjab [: a district in the northwest of the Indian subcontinent], in the year 1620 AD, out of which Emperor Jehangir made a sword that common people called the Thunderbolt Sword.
http://quran-ayat.com/pret/57.htm#a57_25
(And We sent down the iron [included in the meteorites falling down from the space], in which are both keen violence and [many] benefits to people. b)
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b They made of it swords, knives, axes, saws, and others. In the past they made use of the iron from the meteorites because the iron does not exist freely on the earth on account of its affinity to combine with oxygen; therefore, they searched for it in the meteorites falling from space; in such meteorites, they found free iron which they took and made their swords from it.
One of the nice tales about meteorites is that a meteorite or a celestial rock fell in Punjab [: a district in the northwest of the Indian subcontinent], in the year 1620 AD, out of which Emperor Jehangir made a sword that common people called the Thunderbolt Sword.
http://quran-ayat.com/pret/57.htm#a57_25
Iron is the final phase of nuclear fusion in a star similar in size and spectrum to ours. When it goes nova it blasts elemental iron into space. Larger stars going nova or super nova produce even heavier elements. These elements eventually end up forming into more solid objects with other elements forming planets, moons and asteroids/meteors, and even new stars.
So in fact, the quran got one right, in a sense. The iron on Earth was formed two ways; as part of the actual material that formed the Earth and from asteroids/meteors slamming into the primordial Earth after it's early formation. However, most of it sank into the core along with a lot of nickel.
So in fact, the quran got one right, in a sense. The iron on Earth was formed two ways; as part of the actual material that formed the Earth and from asteroids/meteors slamming into the primordial Earth after it's early formation. However, most of it sank into the core along with a lot of nickel.
I don't object; I also say "Yes". But you did not answer the question: Why in the Quran: God sent down the iron from the sky?
This is a mixture of wrong and correct things.
In fact, Abu Abd-Allah said to me: the matter had been originated from the ether particles which fill the space: by uniting many particles of the ether.
I say on the same rule: Then by uniting the atoms of hydrogen: other elements were produced of heavier atomic weights.
I think: you are wrong: iron was not formed on Earth, but in the previous sun (the mother of our Earth) by the fusion of many hydrogen atoms: maybe.
It is also formed in the same way in our present sun (and in other suns or stars.)
However, the iron on Earth is not found free but combined with O2, while the iron in the meteorites is free and was used by the ancient to make many tools: like knives and swords.
Why iron is mostly in the core of Earth and the other planets? Because Earth and the planets were flaming with heat, and the iron and the other elements were in liquid forms and these elements went or as you said: sank to the center of the earth because the iron and nickel are heavy. The same was discovered about the core of Mercury.
Formation of the planets
There is no god. That was just an act of nature. Or a far superior race than ours.
There is God.
If anything is not there, it is you. There is not you. You are like an image or mirage.
So I do not doubt about God, but others are dubious.
Therefore, your assertions are useless, which you only assert to yourself in a way of ignoring and denying God the Creator.
If anything is not there, it is you. There is not you. You are like an image or mirage.
So I do not doubt about God, but others are dubious.
Therefore, your assertions are useless, which you only assert to yourself in a way of ignoring and denying God the Creator.
What is a BIF? What us hematite? What is magnetite? Why wasn't iron found in deposition on the Pre-Cambrian earth? Why did Allah wait 4 billion years to create life which deposited iron on the surface of earth? Prior to smelting oxides the only iron man had came from space as meteorites just like the one you whoreship in Mecca.
He didn't. There are perfectly satisfactory naturalistic explanations for meteorites striking the Earth, no need to invoke a deity, and besides, meteorite impacts are not the major source of iron ores on the planet. Those are BIFs (banded iron formations, which I'm sure you didn't know), magnetite, hematite, taconite, and some others you could look up, mostly oxides of iron that are believed to be indicative of the oxygenation of the atmosphere by lifeforms of various kinds much earlier in Earth's history. But you probably think the Earth is less than 10,000 years old too, that would be consistent with a lot of your other claims.
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Iron is fascinating nonetheless. You hear about the "chemical soup" life spawned from but Iron is the least talked about. Hematite in particular is how we'll find life on other planets.
Thanks to fossized hematite filaments we've learned that oxygen isn't necessary for photosynthesis which opens the door for life to be possible on planets we thought it was unpossible to exist on. Maybe even on meteors, comets and asteroids that sleeps and wakes with each oblonged orbit of the sun.
Thanks to fossized hematite filaments we've learned that oxygen isn't necessary for photosynthesis which opens the door for life to be possible on planets we thought it was unpossible to exist on. Maybe even on meteors, comets and asteroids that sleeps and wakes with each oblonged orbit of the sun.
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How much I wrote and said in this forum, and still you do not know, which indicates you did not read carefully.
You said: "He didn't." which are the words of a disbeliever; I say: He did certainly, as He does everything in the universe.
You said: "meteorite impacts are not the major source of iron ores on the planet," I did not say this, but said according to the words of the interpreter of the Quran; that the iron coming down in the meteorites is in its free form, and the ancients used some of this free iron to make some of their tools.
You said: "BIFs (banded iron formations, which I'm sure you didn't know)" I say: Yes indeed I didn't know this, so what?
You said: "that are believed to be indicative of the oxygenation of the atmosphere by lifeforms of various kinds much earlier in Earth's history" I say: This is not convincing in fact.
You said: "But you probably think the Earth is less than 10,000 years old" I say: I didn't say this, and I don't think it is less than 10,000 years. This is only what you imagine. Q:33
So you now speak about life on the planets, which a few years ago you denied insistently.
Again I say there is life on the planets with all its forms: man, animal, plant and microbes in addition to genies: the gaseous beings.
The planets are inhabited
This is true from Mars and beyond, while Mercury and Venus: the life on these two planets has been exterminated.
The journey to Venus is dangerous
I did read carefully, you're just wrong, that's all. Those are indeed the words of a disbeliever, that's what I am, but according to that statement I must be a disbeliever because he made me that way, for some inscrutable purpose of his own. Not much I can do about that.